What type of person...

[ATodd]

Damn Todd, i thought i was a jaded bastard, but shit on a shingle. If it matters that whole thing with HTP didn't change my opinion on Tip at all. Hell he flaked before the dust had settled.

Jaded yes, but mostly pretty happy. My opinion on Tip didn't change much either and I thought he handled the whole thing pretty well. However, you hang out with Darth Vader long enough, all the while profiting off his dealings, things are going to change in you. Not nessacerily for the better. You want to start a business as the most ethical pimp in the world. The bitches all have dental, medical, 401k, and comfortable apartments with 8 hr. work days. You feel good. You're profiting, they are as well. Then they start taking advantage, money starts coming up short, girls are all fucked up and in no time your slappin bitches and robbing jons. What happened to your ethics. Money.
atodd

 

[pitbreeder]

Don't post as much here as I'd like to, but I'd like the person to come forth and explain their intentions to the community

 

[BIGMESC]

Well said Volt, I wish I could say the same but I get suckered into those contest, then feel guilty after.

Unsolicited PM's recommending sources are a strict no go, and unacceptable.

There is something to be said for self responsibility also, new guys should remember that just because someone is a "Vet" or well known member does not mean he is a good guy or to be trusted in any way.

Building relationships with other members is simply something that takes time.
Spend time reading peoples post and see what they contribute and how they interact with other members.

I believe in Millard's vision here for meso and where he is trying to go. In this I get no financial gain, no freebies..... never. I have been offered and told " I will take care of you " .....no way not even extras on my paid order. Nothing to compromise my word. I take things I do here pretty seriously and I look where I think meso can go and refuse to be bought because I believe in the vision in an unadulterated place where one can get info on who really is who. It is the only way for change.

Unsolicited PM's simple it's tar and feather when caught. Wonder why I have never received any?

When it comes to being asked by members I choose my words carefully. Why? because I have told people things seemed alright and that what I ran was good. Then we know what happens. So big rule just because a source was good once doesn't guarantee he will be twice. Any ways new guys who ask directly.....sorry I don't even answer. As far as older members we know each other and we know we are not vouching. We should know better about our intentions.

 

[Big_paul]

I say he get his second chance here volt

 

[Voltrader]

big offense not gauranting a second chance. Drag him out and then he can explain BP ....now that I thought about it. We can decide second chances after that.

Sounds like someone who should of known better.

 

[strongsafety41]

I am still pretty damn new here ... But I wasn't born yesterday. I have quite a bit of life experience. I worked hard to get where I am and overcame what were perceived to be insurmountable obstacles... When all else is said and done, my balls and my word is all I have! I wouldn't PM a perfect stranger pushing a source. That's pretty damn low especially if you're on the take.

After being here and reading for few months I did reach out to a guy and asked for his opinion on a source. He gave me just that ... His experience with that source ... He didn't push the source or nothing like that and till this day I have respect for him.

To be honest I don't even open the door for Religious solicitors, door to door salesman or anyone uninvited. Hell, I blatantly walk by the door while their ringing the doorbell. Not to be a Dick but I respect my personal space. It's one thing if your invited but damn.. You can't just show up. All this to say I would never take a guys advice that PM'd me out the blue.

I agree with greendog1 ... I would PM him first and give him a specific time to respond. If no response ... Then he hung himself.... Put him on blast!

 

[jets]

Theres a certain name that pops up immediately when I read the first post, wonder if I'm right. Would like them to come forward and explain..

 

[eminem93]

solicitation via PM is not breaking a rule.. our code of morals means nothing. if you can make money doing it, people will do it.

 

[ATodd]

I have it all figured out, It's Millard. You crafty bastard, you set up this utopia of unsensored glory and none of use ever expected you end-game. To take kick backs from sources and sell gear. Congrats, you pulled one over on me for a while, but it's out now. I'm very sore with you.
Just joshing, waiting for an explaination of your well-meant intentions, who ever you are.
atodd

 

[bickel29]

solicitation via PM is not breaking a rule.. our code of morals means nothing. if you can make money doing it, people will do it.

Don't confuse "people WILL do it" with "people SHOULD do it".
Big difference, which is what Brutus is alluding to.

Just like your granny told you when you were a small boy, just because you CAN do something, doesn't mean you SHOULD do it!

 

[Ultimatepip]

Come on Brutus spill the beans brother!

 

[brutus79]

I am going to pm the party and allow 48 hours for public defense... he has been around longer than I, and contrary to popular beliefs I occasionally think before I speak.

Thanks to everyone for input- I wanted to make sure I wasn't being too self righteous. I appreciate all of you.

 

[Colt44]

I think you're spot on Brutus. Any member that uses their status here to prey on newbies through PM or otherwise, is a piece of shit. It's completely unconducive to the Meso we as members have built. As you said, if they want to source start a thread.

I get PM's from guy's asking about sources. I always give them honest and hopefully helpful feedback. I steer clear from recommending anyone. Most of the honest guys here do the same. We don't want to associate our names to a source that WILL eventually screw fellow members over. I do what I can to assist, in hopes they will help the next guy out when the situation is reversed.

The oversight you speak of is what we have been battling for. Trying to expose those who wish to do us harm, physically or financially. We don't speak up to pound our chest or try to run this board. We do it to protect fellow members and to get people thinking and seeing from varying perspectives.

I don't like this situation one bit. It goes against what we stand for. This guy is spitting in our faces and undermining the system. I don't think I'd hold back on this one Brut. It's your call obviously but that's my opinion.

I have a question I would like everyone to respond to- new, old, vet, thinks they are a big deal, doesn't think they are a big deal.

I do not profit in any way from anything that ever transpires on this site. Never once, not a dime, no free gear- ever. I really do it because I think my word means less if I was on the take. People who accept free gear for reviews.... ahhh whatever- you do you I guess. No big deal, but if you run a log and the source burns people that bought based on your good reviews you are somewhat culpable. Maybe not.

If a newbie pm's me for a source I don't recommend one.... I am always willing to say if I heard bad things about someone and if I haven't heard anything bad I will say so, but that is hardly an endorsement. The fact remains they pm me- I do not pm them when we get these wet behind the ears with posts making it clear they need a source with "options".

I feel that would be predatory and self serving... and if you are pm'ing a newbie with gear you are also circumventing any oversite and/or vetting of sources we try and do here. In my opinion it is fucked up from just about every angle- like standing outside a school zone snatching kids... be a fucking man and put up a source thread and admit you are here to make money...

This is especially egregious if that person Is a long standing member- kind of sullies everything they have done here.... again, just my opinion. What is everyone else's opinion?

 

[Boilermech]

When and if someone contacts me through PM I send them to the underground threads and let them read and decide on their own who to use if any. I might tell them of my experiences of certain ones if they ask, but I always exercise caution to them. I am here to help them but I do not in any way try to persuade them toward any sources. The decision is theirs and I dam sure don't want to be up late nights thinking I contributed to them getting scammed in any way. We are here to help keep everyone as safe as possible.

As far as PMs from sources trying to push sells I feel they should be posted out in the open to be delt with by the firing squad.

 

[BigShadow]

Tough one part of me says drag his out in Meso town square but I am a man of second chances so should one have the chance to openly admit ones mistake and hope for a forgiving forum.

Unsolicited pm's though I consider a big no here though and I just said tar and feathers.

I say he get his second chance here volt

big offense not gauranting a second chance. Drag him out and then he can explain BP ....now that I thought about it. We can decide second chances after that.

Sounds like someone who should of known better.

All this talk of second "chance" is there a pun intended

 

[brutus79]

All this talk of second "chance" is there a pun intended

Where you been boss? Wonderin' about you the other day. All is well?

 

[hotdog23]

Ahh the suspense!

 

[ebkallday]

Brutus, you PM him yet? We need to know when the 48 hours starts. The suspense is going to kill me.

 

[brutus79]

Pm'd an hour ago.

 

[duramax600]

Unsolicited pm pushing gear is not a good idea. First you have no clue who you are asking to buy from your source. Danger it puts you and your source at risk alongwith the board. A vet doing this is wrong. Things go bad then what the board looks like shit because a vet pushed to help himself. If this place is truly here to help and the people here are doing the same . Privately pushing is not helping. Giving good information is helping. The type of persone you refer to is only out for him or her self. And not even being very smart about it. As in the real world these arethe typs of problems with no rules being enforced. Rules are needed for a reason. Some people can control themself without but most people can not.