What type of person...

[Big_paul]

Anybody remember when SF first came here? The original rep was Sworder, before Stretch. Sworder never out right admitted he was the SF rep until Stretch exposed his PM's that admitted to getting a piece of each sale. Yes, he contacted members and solicited sales for SF. And to boot, after that was putting up reviews for new labs that gave him free gear. Anything happen to Sworder? Nope. Just throwing this out there. All I say for those of you that don't know, its all here In the archives.

That was good shit.

 

[Jimmyinkedup]

Being a member at many forums people here should actually consider themselves lucky. As we all know or should, there are entire boards run on the very premise the OP put out there. Hell one of the worst just started their own RC company. Fuk if id buy jack shit from them...ever. It funny I almost know if any of the staff on that board gives the source a nod my best bet is to stay the hell away LOL

 

[heady muscle]

Brutus vs. MANWHORE , this could easily top Sharktopus vs. Pteracuda in ratings.....stay tuned ~Ogh

I rather watch two sexy crossfit women go at in a mud pit. Nude of course. But I'm a pretty boring guy.

 

[ebkallday]

Being a member at many forums people here should actually consider themselves lucky. As we all know or should, there are entire boards run on the very premise the OP put out there. Hell one of the worst just started their own RC company. Fuk if id buy jack shit from them...ever. It funny I almost know if any of the staff on that board gives the source a nod my best bet is to stay the hell away LOL

Jimmy, would you mind sharing this RC company folks should stay away from? Your input is respected.

 

[MANWHORE]

I rather watch two sexy crossfit women go at in a mud pit. Nude of course. But I'm a pretty boring guy.

We would be in a Jello Pit.. Strawberry

 

[heady muscle]

The sad part is you don't see it do you. You have been around to long to see the fault and in a way I can understand that.

We want a place that people can come to and get untarnished advice and openly discuss their success and failures with sources. What you are doing is going against that. I know I know it is pipe dream right or is it? I just like to see you open and honest with the board not the run around. In your case is it the death sentence probably not but man come clean. I really don't think we want the drama that comes with this MW it is not an easy thing. Times are changing here and hopefully everywhere we want to be different then the rest of the sites.

Bullseye and amen!

 

[MANWHORE]

Bullseye and amen!

You want a place that people can come to and get untarnished advice and openly discuss their success and failures with sources?

 

[heady muscle]

I agree with everything said in this thread so far.

I would like to pose a different angle as well, that sometimes we as the community make (vulnerable targets, I.E. Noobs)

There are countless posts asking for a source, there are not many sources on meso. There are a plethora of reviews, but sometimes these are buried under countless useless posts. When a new person asks for a source we tell them to read through what can appear as 5 years worth of reading, we all know they are anxious. How many of use compare getting gear to xmas?

I wish source threads had sub forums, ones that indicated testing done, bloods, and user feedback; along with a sub forum for all the banter that goes on, both during the vetting process and long after that is over.

If we had some way of indexing our sources, it would be a lot less daunting for our impatient newer people to find the types of information they are looking for to make their decision.

I believe this is where the "secret" PM'er comes in, they see newbies asking for help (I.E. show me a good source), and then the resounding shutdown that usually occurs from our community. This makes the PM'er look like a life saver, the only one who would actively reach out, they have a few conversations (and like I've seen some other newer members do here) they start to feel safe with the person, based on "judge of character I.E. how you write to me bro" rather than on the community testing (I've even seen people defend themselves after taking this risk).

If we wanted a stronger community, maybe we should act like one. Keep a collection of source posts we can direct them to, that currently are in good standing, rather than saying go read.
I must conclude with I have never accepted free gear, nor would I ever PM someone a source, I have also been guilty of telling newbs to read (I feel more ashamed of this after Brutus' post, and my thoughts on the subject).

We've been discussing different ways of making this happen. Colt and few other have a very good start. We need follow through though!

 

[heady muscle]

The Hollow Men
Mistah Kurtz-he dead
A penny for the Old Guy


I

We are the hollow men
We are the stuffed men
Leaning together
Headpiece filled with straw. Alas!
Our dried voices, when
We whisper together
Are quiet and meaningless
As wind in dry grass
Or rats' feet over broken glass
In our dry cellar

Shape without form, shade without colour,
Paralysed force, gesture without motion;

Those who have crossed
With direct eyes, to death's other Kingdom
Remember us-if at all-not as lost
Violent souls, but only
As the hollow men
The stuffed men.


II

Eyes I dare not meet in dreams
In death's dream kingdom
These do not appear:
There, the eyes are
Sunlight on a broken column
There, is a tree swinging
And voices are
In the wind's singing
More distant and more solemn
Than a fading star.

Let me be no nearer
In death's dream kingdom
Let me also wear
Such deliberate disguises
Rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves
In a field
Behaving as the wind behaves
No nearer-

Not that final meeting
In the twilight kingdom


III

This is the dead land
This is cactus land
Here the stone images
Are raised, here they receive
The supplication of a dead man's hand
Under the twinkle of a fading star.

Is it like this
In death's other kingdom
Waking alone
At the hour when we are
Trembling with tenderness
Lips that would kiss
Form prayers to broken stone.


IV

The eyes are not here
There are no eyes here
In this valley of dying stars
In this hollow valley
This broken jaw of our lost kingdoms

In this last of meeting places
We grope together
And avoid speech
Gathered on this beach of the tumid river

Sightless, unless
The eyes reappear
As the perpetual star
Multifoliate rose
Of death's twilight kingdom
The hope only
Of empty men.


V

Here we go round the prickly pear
Prickly pear prickly pear
Here we go round the prickly pear
At five o'clock in the morning.

Between the idea
And the reality
Between the motion
And the act
Falls the Shadow
For Thine is the Kingdom

Between the conception
And the creation
Between the emotion
And the response
Falls the Shadow
Life is very long

Between the desire
And the spasm
Between the potency
And the existence
Between the essence
And the descent
Falls the Shadow
For Thine is the Kingdom

For Thine is
Life is
For Thine is the

This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
Not with a bang but a whimper.
T.S. Eliot

 

[ebkallday]

So is there proof Manwhore was actually profiting through solicitation? Or was he just favoring a source. I do feel that more details need to be put out before the already formed lynch mob hangs a member. Unless I have missed them, forgive me if I have.

 

[brutus79]

So is there proof Manwhore was actually profiting through solicitation? Or was he just favoring a source. I do feel that more details need to be put out before the already formed lynch mob hangs a member. Unless I have missed them, forgive me if I have.

He was pm'ing new people unsolicited and providing gear or a source for gear.... profit has nothing to do with it- solicitation is the issue. Profit is just a given- I know I wouldn't get vials for my local pals out of the goodness of my heart if the need arose, so I find it impossible to believe someone does it for total strangers for the good feeling they get inside knowing they helped someone. Still not the point- if you are soliciting business it needs to be done in a source thread. Period.

 

[pumpingiron22]

All right, so I have been holding my tong all night on this one even had me tossing and turning

In my sleep. I have been here a long time so you’re not going to pull that one year vet line with me.

What you did is wrong you may feel that its justified and you were helping maybe in your mind you did not want some of these newbies to get hurt or ripped off as there are just not that many sources around at the moment. And the good sources are not shared out in the open as they should be. But the point of the fact is it against the rules for a reason. There are too many sharks in the water that want to rip newbies off or worse bad gear. Even though you might feel your intentions were right it can be harmful in the future making every newbie feel like every pm they get from somebody is honest. When is not. (Do you see the problem?) I remember being a newbie years back you believe every one and feel as everyone has your best intentions but also being scared as fuck. It was a lot harder back then as everyone talked in secret and the ug did not exist as it does now. Its one thing if a member as asked if this is good to go or if you had good or bad experices with so and so. We have all asked someone at some time. As far a freebie I have no issue with that when you have purchased a good amount and they add a little extra. That’s fine imo. But to receive something free and you did not purchase something mean you our exchanging some form of work for it.Thats wrong.

And as far as soliciting no you are receiving funds that make you a source and not a member.

That’s a line crossed so if you do that you can’t go back to member. Here is your chance to stop now. So the question is do you want to be a source or a member? It’s your call
Ps. You should know better.

 

[MANWHORE]

All right, so I have been holding my tong all night on this one even had me tossing and turning

In my sleep. I have been here a long time so you’re not going to pull that one year vet line with me.

What you did is wrong you may feel that its justified and you were helping maybe in your mind you did not want some of these newbies to get hurt or ripped off as there are just not that many sources around at the moment. And the good sources are not shared out in the open as they should be. But the point of the fact is it against the rules for a reason. There are too many sharks in the water that want to rip newbies off or worse bad gear. Even though you might feel your intentions were right it can be harmful in the future making every newbie feel like every pm they get from somebody is honest. When is not. (Do you see the problem?) I remember being a newbie years back you believe every one and feel as everyone has your best intentions but also being scared as fuck. It was a lot harder back then as everyone talked in secret and the ug did not exist as it does now. Its one thing if a member as asked if this is good to go or if you had good or bad experices with so and so. We have all asked someone at some time. As far a freebie I have no issue with that when you have purchased a good amount and they add a little extra. That’s fine imo. But to receive something free and you did not purchase something mean you our exchanging some form of work for it.Thats wrong.

And as far as soliciting no you are receiving funds that make you a source and not a member.

That’s a line crossed so if you do that you can’t go back to member. Here is your chance to stop now. So the question is do you want to be a source or a member? It’s your call
Ps. You should know better.

What if someone is sourcing around their way but not on board.
Do they still have to give up membership?

Tell me the rules, because I forgot them.

What about the guy who is sourcing
and admitting to being a member also but
telling everyone he won't disclose his member name?

What else do I have to tell you?

How about this:
Not all sources are open!
You're not going to discuss ALL sources!
Shit! Even the sources you do discuss suck.. I am guilty of that, too..

Let me just get a picture of my operation, so
you can all see it.. Please disregard the address on the building
and the workers faces...

What else do I need?
O yea, a source license.. I have 3 of them.. lol

This thread is done.
I was role playing.. Brutus and I used to do it all the time back, in highschool..

 

[brutus79]

I never made it to high school.

 

[MANWHORE]

I never made it to high school.

If I knew what it was going to be like, I wouldn't have either

 

[heady muscle]

So is there proof Manwhore was actually profiting through solicitation? Or was he just favoring a source. I do feel that more details need to be put out before the already formed lynch mob hangs a member. Unless I have missed them, forgive me if I have.

You took the words from my mouth. One caveat in saying that, brutus seems to be straight forward. But proof should be shared within the community. Either through PM's or out here. I would suggest the "older members" discuss through pm's, then share and include manwhore in those discussions.

 

[pumpingiron22]

What about the guy who is sourcing
and admitting to being a member also but
telling everyone he won't disclose his member name?
I have those names!!!!
Thats why!

 

[MANWHORE]

I

What about the guy who is sourcing
and admitting to being a member also but
telling everyone he won't disclose his member name?
I have those names!!!!
Thats why!

didn't know you were a Mod.. My bad

 

[MANWHORE]

You took the words from my mouth. One caveat in saying that, brutus seems to be straight forward. But proof should be shared within the community. Either through PM's or out here. I would suggest the "older members" discuss through pm's, then share and include manwhore in those discussions.

Other Vets have been notified, by MYSELF..
Remember, I am the one who came out, so no one busted anyone here.

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

Other Vets have been notified, by MYSELF..
Remember, I am the one who came out, so no one busted anyone here.

Ha, not the way I see it. You wouldn't have said a word if the the brand new guy that PMed brutus wasn't taken aback by your messages.. You had no choice! What was the alternative? Let Brutus out you?

Nobody I know here got any PMs from you.. Your like the creepy guy that can't get laid in college so he goes out with 16 year olds that don't know any better..

If you're so interested in being "private" why target newbies you don't know? They're known to be a pretty big security risk.. Matter of fact, I don't know any private sources that deal with new guys.. Seems odd unless you were targeting them because they don't know what real gear is!! (oh shit)

Everyone seemed to be over this earlier but you keep defending yourself, doesn't seem like you're sorry.. If you were you would've taken your lumps and let this be done.