What’s the current state of generic GH

[Ghoul]

I believe most of you are missing the point.

There is no need to speculate on what may or may not happen based on some published papers using growth hormone.

Unless you're using that exact version of growth hormone, it doesn't apply. For example, some of the data mentions excipients having an effect on aggregates and filter fouling.

Harm reduction is taking those ideas and validating them through testing. Without testing you can speculate all day on what happens to UGL GH or various Peptides.

Some of the data here may be valid, but without testing it's not usable because it's not a direct comparison to anything used by this community.

At no point have I suggested it's harmful whatever else people feel like they want me to be saying. The point is you have no data supporting what happens to UGL GH or Peptides via filtering...or any other data to be honest.

Don't call unsupported speculation harm reduction because it isn't.

Nope no idea at all what happens to peptides when filtering....

 

[readalot]

Nope no idea at all what happens to peptides when filtering....

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[readalot]

Definitely don't look at Table 1 of the 2018 paper I shared with you. Looks nothing like the excipient list by a popular vendor here. Not sure what I was thinking.

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And Table 2. What a joke. Don't even get me started on the rest of the paper.

My bad. Really.

Maybe they used Lobster's stuff come to think of it. Small world.

@Ghoul

Honestly man, do you think many looked at Table 1 much less Table 2 or 3?

Solid try though. It's okay. I've made peace with it.

 

[Ghoul]

@Ghoul

Honestly man, do you think many looked at Table 1 much less Table 2 or 3?

Solid try though. It's okay. I've made peace with it.

I avoid answering the expected objections in advance. Let them wear themselves out one by one, it's more educational that way,

 

[readalot]

I avoid answering the expected objections in advance. Let the wear themselves out one by one, it's more educational that way,

I enjoyed the interactions on here with you. Thanks for all your efforts!! Sincerely.

 

[Toaster]

Nope no idea at all what happens to peptides when filtering....

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Provide your own data or don't, doesn't matter to me.

 

[Ghoul]

Provide your own data or don't, doesn't matter to me.

I don't understand what you're asking for,

Are you suggesting this data is invalid, false, completely irrelevant to UGL?

It's a peer reviewed studied authored by one of the world's foremost experts on peptide drugs.

You put a reconstituted peptide solution in one end, regardless of its level of contaminants, and you get a significantly less contaminated one out of the other side.

Is that in doubt?

 

[AlwaysHungry]

I don't understand what you're asking for,

Are you suggesting this data is invalid, false, completely irrelevant to UGL?

It's a peer reviewed studied authored by one of the world's foremost experts on peptide drugs.

You put a reconstituted peptide solution in one end, regardless of its level of contaminants, and you get a significantly less contaminated one out of the other side.

Is that in doubt?

I think he meant no one understands shit from this table lol at least I don’t

 

[Ghoul]

I think he meant no one understands shit from this table lol at least I don’t

It's a count of contaminating particles in a vial of growth hormone, which you don't want to inject, before and after being pushed through a syringe filter. From 90,000 down to 300.

 

[AlexDavis43]

Particle count reduced from 37k to 300. The 37k version is presumably similar to the one widely used clinically and by bodybuilders, and doesn't cause immunogenicity or reduced GH efficacy (ref).

What is the cutoff where people should be worried, in the millions?

Seems like filtering takes your GH from no problem to still no problem.

 

[bjjgear]

so I've had this thought before but found no answer, where is a good place to find HIV patients that would be willing to sell their script?

Junkies who need the cash for their fentanyl. Hang out outside an HIV clinic and just ask people who look the part.

 

[bjjgear]

There is a source selling kits domestic USA that has been operating for probably 20+ years. You need to get on his list however. Easier if someone brings you in and vouch for you.

I believe you will not have much difficulties in finding out who could help you get on that list around here

A reliable gentleman at that. Best source in every respect, bar none. Well except for price

 

[AlexDavis43]

so I've had this thought before but found no answer, where is a good place to find HIV patients that would be willing to sell their script?

Junkies who need the cash for their fentanyl. Hang out outside an HIV clinic and just ask people who look the part.

Places with a high HIV patient population.


Hate to stereotype but high homosexual communities/cities.

So, Craigslist in the San Francisco area.

 

[bjjgear]

It’s really kind of a fucked up circle jerk of stupidity. Junkies sharing needles and getting HIV so guys with more money than brains can buy their prescriptions and get big and weird looking.

 

[Ghoul]

Particle count reduced from 37k to 300. The 37k version is presumably similar to the one widely used clinically and by bodybuilders, and doesn't cause immunogenicity or reduced GH efficacy (ref).

What is the cutoff where people should be worried, in the millions?

Seems like filtering takes your GH from no problem to still no problem.

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Oh you really got me on that typo, 90 where 40 was intended, More inane comments from someone who believes his practice of injecting cloudy growth hormone is intelligent, the stern warnings accompanying every pharma grade hgh product to absolutely not use when cloudy some sort of mistake on their part.

Is this better? The additional large aggregates formed after shaking a vial of rHGH were reduced by an even larger percentage after filtering:



This forum is about harm REDUCTION, and it doesn't take a genius to understand injecting less unwanted material is preferable to unnecessarily injecting more.

Aggregates are absolutely capable of inducing immunogenicity,

Particulates, including the glass, rubber, and fibers found in vials, above 10um can block blood flow.

20% of peptide samples sent to Jano were unsterile, and filtering renders them sterile.

Multiply this by daily, or more than once daily injections, over the course of years, and the cumulative risk of injecting that trash grows,

You don't have to precisely quantify risks to understand what factors are involved and the steps that can reduce those risks.

 

[AlexDavis43]

Oh you really got me on that typo, 90 where 40 was intended, More inane comments from someone who believes his practice of injecting cloudy growth hormone is intelligent, the stern warnings accompanying every pharma grade hgh product to absolutely not use when cloudy some sort of mistake on their part.

Is this better? The additional large aggregates formed after shaking a vial of rHGH were reduced by an even larger percentage after filtering:

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This forum is about harm REDUCTION, and it doesn't take a genius to understand injecting less unwanted material is preferable to unnecessarily injecting more.

Aggregates are absolutely capable of inducing immunogenicity,

Particulates, including the glass, rubber, and fibers found in vials, above 10um can block blood flow.

20% of peptide samples sent to Jano were unsterile, and filtering renders them sterile.

Multiply this by daily, or more than once daily injections, over the course of years, and the cumulative risk of injecting that trash grows,

You don't have to precisely quantify risks to understand what factors are involved and the steps that can reduce those risks.

The typo is irrelevant. But still nice try to dodge addressing anything relevant in what I said about unfiltered GH with more goal post shifting and word salad. Par for the course.

 

[Toaster]

Oh you really got me on that typo, 90 where 40 was intended, More inane comments from someone who believes his practice of injecting cloudy growth hormone is intelligent, the stern warnings accompanying every pharma grade hgh product to absolutely not use when cloudy some sort of mistake on their part.

Is this better? The additional large aggregates formed after shaking a vial of rHGH were reduced by an even larger percentage after filtering:

View attachment 321464

This forum is about harm REDUCTION, and it doesn't take a genius to understand injecting less unwanted material is preferable to unnecessarily injecting more.

Aggregates are absolutely capable of inducing immunogenicity,

Particulates, including the glass, rubber, and fibers found in vials, above 10um can block blood flow.

20% of peptide samples sent to Jano were unsterile, and filtering renders them sterile.

Multiply this by daily, or more than once daily injections, over the course of years, and the cumulative risk of injecting that trash grows,

You don't have to precisely quantify risks to understand what factors are involved and the steps that can reduce those risks.

Stop using the term harm reduction.

What you're doing is not harm reduction. You're using other people's data to make an assumption. You have yet to show evidence of a problem or that your assumption is valid.

Why are you hesitant to do so?

 

[biggerben69]

How do I direct message you?

You have to participate a bit more than you have I suppose. No matter, whatever it is you want to say to me in the dark you can say in front of all members.
Don't be concerned, if you can't you'll be banned and can start from scratch,