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What’s the current state of generic GH
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@Ghoul
Honestly man, do you think many looked at Table 1 much less Table 2 or 3?
Solid try though. It's okay. I've made peace with it.
Ghoul
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I avoid answering the expected objections in advance. Let them wear themselves out one by one, it's more educational that way,
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I enjoyed the interactions on here with you. Thanks for all your efforts!! Sincerely.
Provide your own data or don't, doesn't matter to me.
Ghoul
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I don't understand what you're asking for,
Are you suggesting this data is invalid, false, completely irrelevant to UGL?
It's a peer reviewed studied authored by one of the world's foremost experts on peptide drugs.
You put a reconstituted peptide solution in one end, regardless of its level of contaminants, and you get a significantly less contaminated one out of the other side.
Is that in doubt?
AlwaysHungry
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I think he meant no one understands shit from this table lol at least I don’t
Ghoul
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It's a count of contaminating particles in a vial of growth hormone, which you don't want to inject, before and after being pushed through a syringe filter. From 90,000 down to 300.
AlexDavis43
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Particle count reduced from 37k to 300. The 37k version is presumably similar to the one widely used clinically and by bodybuilders, and doesn't cause immunogenicity or reduced GH efficacy (ref).
What is the cutoff where people should be worried, in the millions?
Seems like filtering takes your GH from no problem to still no problem.
What is the cutoff where people should be worried, in the millions?
Seems like filtering takes your GH from no problem to still no problem.
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I believe you will not have much difficulties in finding out who could help you get on that list around here
Ghoul
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Oh you really got me on that typo, 90 where 40 was intended, More inane comments from someone who believes his practice of injecting cloudy growth hormone is intelligent, the stern warnings accompanying every pharma grade hgh product to absolutely not use when cloudy some sort of mistake on their part.
Is this better? The additional large aggregates formed after shaking a vial of rHGH were reduced by an even larger percentage after filtering:
This forum is about harm REDUCTION, and it doesn't take a genius to understand injecting less unwanted material is preferable to unnecessarily injecting more.
Aggregates are absolutely capable of inducing immunogenicity,
Particulates, including the glass, rubber, and fibers found in vials, above 10um can block blood flow.
20% of peptide samples sent to Jano were unsterile, and filtering renders them sterile.
Multiply this by daily, or more than once daily injections, over the course of years, and the cumulative risk of injecting that trash grows,
You don't have to precisely quantify risks to understand what factors are involved and the steps that can reduce those risks.
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AlexDavis43
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The typo is irrelevant. But still nice try to dodge addressing anything relevant in what I said about unfiltered GH with more goal post shifting and word salad. Par for the course.
Stop using the term harm reduction.
What you're doing is not harm reduction. You're using other people's data to make an assumption. You have yet to show evidence of a problem or that your assumption is valid.
Why are you hesitant to do so?
You have to participate a bit more than you have I suppose. No matter, whatever it is you want to say to me in the dark you can say in front of all members.
Don't be concerned, if you can't you'll be banned and can start from scratch,
Ghoul
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And some jackasses actively pretend the UGL peptides we use come from something resembling a pharma plant so filtering is "useless".
A couple of things:
1: The problem is visible here, but there's no rule that says if the contamination can't be seen it's harmless.
2: Jano (and all the labs serving UGL), have to FILTER...
Let's go. @Toaster @AlexDavis43 @Spaceman Spiff .
Tell us again why filtering is useless?
Because UGL quality is so good we can just blindly trust it's safe to use?
Because without some "test" it's pointless to remove particulate contamination, most of which are NOT visible don't represent a risk?
Or is it that if you can't see it, it can't hurt you?
If this shit was just a little smaller, or white, it would be invisible.
UGL quality and safety on full display.
All peptides are put through a .22um filter before going into the mass spectrometry machine so large contaminants don't fuck it up, but it's fine to inject into your body without the same precaution, apparently.
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narta
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Filtering is not useless. But UGL prices are that good you can fucking bin the vial.
And some jackasses actively pretend the UGL peptides we use come from something resembling a pharma plant so filtering is "useless".
A couple of things:
1: The problem is visible here, but there's no rule that says if the contamination can't be seen it's harmless.
2: Jano (and all the labs serving UGL), have to FILTER...
Let's go. @Toaster @AlexDavis43 @Spaceman Spiff .
Tell us again why filtering is useless?
Because UGL quality is so good we can just blindly trust it's safe to use?
Because without some "test" it's pointless to remove particulate contamination, most of which are NOT visible don't represent a risk?
Or is it that if you can't see it, it can't hurt you?
If this shit was just a little smaller, or white, it would be invisible.
UGL quality and safety on full display.
All peptides are put through a .22um filter before going into the mass spectrometry machine so large contaminants don't fuck it up, but it's fine to inject into your body without the same precaution, apparently.
Please provide actual metrics of the dangers and mayhem of sq peptide administration has caused from the dawn of time to 2024 as a percentage of total administrations conducted through out that timespan.
I 'll wait.
