Which oil is better?

[lukiss96]

i never experienced any kind of pip with test c in cotton seed oil , it was pharmaceutical test c so idk maybe you are allergic to cotton seed oil?

I have tried possibly every oil there is, TC/TE always give me slight pip to remind me that injected something the next day or even the day after that. It's not allergic reaction, but something else. Eq, deca, tren, primo, TU and even prop doesn't in the same carrier oil. I guess some things are so individual it's not even worth to dig in to. I believe it is entirely possible to be allergic to a compound itself. How much depends on how someones body reacts and/or is able to tolerate it as each human is very unique and complex.

 

[Bigguy81]

Either if USP grade. Cottonseed will be thicker/harder to filter and inject but will release the hormone more slowly.

GSO is a solid all around option. Thinner than cottonseed oil.

My preference is McT oil, thinner than GSO and easily suspends hormone powders. Also easier to filter and inject if your using syringe filters.

I know, this is old, but i was just wondering what you thought about Miglyol 840?

 

[TomD92]

I know, this is old, but i was just wondering what you thought

I know, this is old, but i was just wondering what you thought about Miglyol 840?

Hey bro I know you were asking @Laxbro88 curious to see what his thoughts are on Miglyol 840. Personally from my experience and many others I know it seems to carry higher risk of issues than other carriers. I’m thinking it has to do With The Propylene Glyco (PG) if someone can tolerate it well then it’s a great overall experience since it’s extremely thin and can allow you to potentially reduce how much BB you would normally use if you were using MCT or GSO. But again I could be wrong which is why I’m also seeking more information.

 

[brutalbuilt]

I'm curious about what you write. There are producers in my country in Europe who boast that cottonseed oil is the least inflammatory and troublesome... Can you expand on your statement?

View: https://youtu.be/9TtamoH-zzA?si=jl60T4qtzf68bhLa

 

[bighunanballs]

Hey bro I know you were asking @Laxbro88 curious to see what his thoughts are on Miglyol 840. Personally from my experience and many others I know it seems to carry higher risk of issues than other carriers. I’m thinking it has to do With The Propylene Glyco (PG) if someone can tolerate it well then it’s a great overall experience since it’s extremely thin and can allow you to potentially reduce how much BB you would normally use if you were using MCT or GSO. But again I could be wrong which is why I’m also seeking more information.

I see this being said quite a bit and it's a misnomer. Miglyol doesn't have "propylene glycol" in it. It's simply a ultra refined (distilled) fraction from MCT oil. Nothing more nothing less. It's chemical makeup is called a "propylene glycol diester of plant fatty acids" it belongs to the family of Fatty Acid Esters. These are carboxylic ester derivatives of a fatty acid. I theorize the main reasons they cause some people more pip than standard MCT is due to its hygroscopic nature "its distilled and contains no water". MCT oil is not hygroscopic. Imagine leaving 99% alcohol open to ambient air. Because it is distilled and so highly refined it will want to pull water out of the atmosphere and come to an equilibrium.

The only difference between mig840 and MIG 812 is the ratio of c8 to C10 amino acids. Neither of them contain anything more than what was fractioned off during the distillation of regular old MCT oil. You can actually buy distilled fractioned c8 all by itself which actually gets a lot of use in the cannabis and hemp industry.

Another reason I see mig brews causing more issues is because folks mix super high concentrations with it It's typical to see BB only at like 8 - 10% and test e or test c mixed to 400-600mg/ml with it. Because it is a distilled variant of MCT and it's hygroscopic nature it acts as a more powerful solvent than standard MCT oil that actually contains percentages of plant lipids waxes and water.

If you were to take 99% ethanol it would dissolve a substantially higher amount of solute in it as opposed to 70% ethanol which usually contains 30% water. The solubility between the two is significant.

 

[AlexDavis43]

I see this being said quite a bit and it's a misnomer. Miglyol doesn't have "propylene glycol" in it. It's simply a ultra refined (distilled) fraction from MCT oil. Nothing more nothing less.

It's like a diacylglycerol or diglyceride. Propylene glycol is part of the molecule. It's not like drinking anti-freeze.

 

[lauri]

Imyself prefer ricinusoil as main ingredient.
Depending on the different raws and quantities I varigate it with EO.
Only good experiences with that and no pip.

 

[FaceOff65]

Should I use the cheaper grapeseed oil or the more expensive cottonseed oil?

In my 2 decades of brewing I would honestly say GSO be safe bet. MCT is my personal favorite as it’s thinner also tolerated by many. Which is why you see big sources would usually stick with GSO and some product line in MCT

 

[whoremoan1]

I used to use GSO and switched 18 months ago to MCT. I only use MCT with c8 and c10 fatty acids.

MCT with c12 fatty acids seems to be the brews that many people are intolerant to.

this is very interesting, is this still working for you ?

i might give this a try

how did you figure this out ????? I'm impressed

 

[whoremoan1]

I see this being said quite a bit and it's a misnomer. Miglyol doesn't have "propylene glycol" in it. It's simply a ultra refined (distilled) fraction from MCT oil. Nothing more nothing less. It's chemical makeup is called a "propylene glycol diester of plant fatty acids" it belongs to the family of Fatty Acid Esters. These are carboxylic ester derivatives of a fatty acid. I theorize the main reasons they cause some people more pip than standard MCT is due to its hygroscopic nature "its distilled and contains no water". MCT oil is not hygroscopic. Imagine leaving 99% alcohol open to ambient air. Because it is distilled and so highly refined it will want to pull water out of the atmosphere and come to an equilibrium.

The only difference between mig840 and MIG 812 is the ratio of c8 to C10 amino acids. Neither of them contain anything more than what was fractioned off during the distillation of regular old MCT oil. You can actually buy distilled fractioned c8 all by itself which actually gets a lot of use in the cannabis and hemp industry.

Another reason I see mig brews causing more issues is because folks mix super high concentrations with it It's typical to see BB only at like 8 - 10% and test e or test c mixed to 400-600mg/ml with it. Because it is a distilled variant of MCT and it's hygroscopic nature it acts as a more powerful solvent than standard MCT oil that actually contains percentages of plant lipids waxes and water.

If you were to take 99% ethanol it would dissolve a substantially higher amount of solute in it as opposed to 70% ethanol which usually contains 30% water. The solubility between the two is significant.

So mct with c8 and c10 will be more likely to cause issues than mct with 8 10 and 12?

Also would a recipe of 1% ba and 15% bb be less likely to cause lumps and irritation regardless of carrier (thinking carrier will play a huge role though )

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

So mct with c8 and c10 will be more likely to cause issues than mct with 8 10 and 12?

how did you draw that conclusion from his statement?

 

[whoremoan1]

how did you draw that conclusion from his statement?

In this quote and a bit above, I may be completely wrong as I’m not as smart as you guys

The only difference between mig840 and MIG 812 is the ratio of c8 to C10 amino acids. Neither of them contain anything more than what was fractioned off during the distillation of regular old MCT oil. You can actually buy distilled fractioned c8 all by itself which actually gets a lot of use in the cannabis and hemp industry.

 

[AlexDavis43]

In this quote and a bit above, I may be completely wrong as I’m not as smart as you guys

The only difference between mig840 and MIG 812 is the ratio of c8 to C10 amino acids. Neither of them contain anything more than what was fractioned off during the distillation of regular old MCT oil. You can actually buy distilled fractioned c8 all by itself which actually gets a lot of use in the cannabis and hemp industry.

840 is also a propylene glycol diester whereas 812 is a triacylglycerol (MCT).

I believe 840 is only C8 and C10.

 

[whoremoan1]

840 is also a propylene glycol diester whereas 812 is a triacylglycerol (MCT).

I believe 840 is only C8 and C10.

Because I’ve just bought MCT oil which is c8 and c10
So i bought 840?
And i bought because I heard it’s less likely to give lumps and irritation as opposed to regular mct , is this the case with 840? Because the text above makes it sound like it will cause issues because the absents of water ?

Again i may be way off just trying to wrap my head around this, sick of getting lumps off all carrier oils

 

[AlexDavis43]

Because I’ve just bought MCT oil which is c8 and c10
So i bought 840?

MCT has C12 too. 812 is MCT.

840 is more refined, with only C8 and C10.

And i bought because I heard it’s less likely to give lumps and irritation as opposed to regular mct , is this the case with 840?

I don't know.

Because the text above makes it sound like it will cause issues because the absents of water ?

Absence of water? That part doesn't make sense.

 

[whoremoan1]

MCT has C12 too. 812 is MCT.

840 is more refined, with only C8 and C10.



I don't know.



Absence of water? That part doesn't make sense.

the water part i read in the above quote

I see this being said quite a bit and it's a misnomer. Miglyol doesn't have "propylene glycol" in it. It's simply a ultra refined (distilled) fraction from MCT oil. Nothing more nothing less. It's chemical makeup is called a "propylene glycol diester of plant fatty acids" it belongs to the family of Fatty Acid Esters. These are carboxylic ester derivatives of a fatty acid. I theorize the main reasons they cause some people more pip than standard MCT is due to its hygroscopic nature "its distilled and contains no water". MCT oil is not hygroscopic. Imagine leaving 99% alcohol open to ambient air. Because it is distilled and so highly refined it will want to pull water out of the atmosphere and come to an equilibrium.

 

[bighunanballs]

840 is also a propylene glycol diester whereas 812 is a triacylglycerol (MCT).

I believe 840 is only C8 and C10.

From what I can see both are c8/C10 blends. One may "act" as or be substituted for prop glycol diesters but it's still a mix of c8/c10 triglycerides.

 

[bighunanballs]

MCT has C12 too. 812 is MCT.

840 is more refined, with only C8 and C10.



I don't know.



Absence of water? That part doesn't make sense.

He means it's hygroscopic nature similar to that of 200 proof ethanol vs 190 proof. Open up some 200 proof and it doesn't take long to suck up moisture from Atmos and turn into 190 proof.


Again all just theories and I'm no chem e, I'm a mechanical guy so its def out of my wheelhouse

 

[whoremoan1]

He means it's hygroscopic nature similar to that of 200 proof ethanol vs 190 proof. Open up some 200 proof and it doesn't take long to suck up moisture from Atmos and turn into 190 proof

So do you think the c8 and c10 could potentially cause more pip or lumps over regular MCT?

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

So do you think the c8 and c10 could potentially cause more pip or lumps over regular MCT?

no

c12 would cause it for sure.