Who keeps most gains from Tren?

[hackskii]

I honestly dont think you keep all the gains or even most of them if you are at the top of your game.
Bodyfat is a whole other issue here than trying to maintain lean muscle.

If you packed on muscle over and above you natural limits do you even think that your natural testosterone production can maintain this added muscle over your natural limits?
No way.
Sorry PreMier is correct.

I have seen it with myself and others. I think you can keep some of your strength but as far as gains, you will lose most if you are at the top of your game.

Remember connective tissue grows slower than muscle and injuries do happen on gear. This alone can take those precious gains and piss them down the toilet.

 

[Deacon]

whatever

 

[BRICK]

Deacon,
When you were not using AAS, what supps did you use?

 

[DocJ]

Did any of you "can't keep gains" clowns even read my post above? HIGH DOSE AAS CYCLING CAN INCREASE YOUR SET POINT....i.e. your limits in the amount of muscle your body can carry has BEEN INCREASED. This has been seen by thousands of AAS users over the years, period.

 

[stevemac]

Did any of you "can't keep gains" clowns even read my post above? HIGH DOSE AAS CYCLING CAN INCREASE YOUR SET POINT....i.e. your limits in the amount of muscle your body can carry has BEEN INCREASED. This has been seen by thousands of AAS users over the years, period.

This is the way it's been for me so I know from experience. So i find it very difficult to believe it when someone tells me different.

 

[PreMier]

Like I said before, most people use steroids way before they hit their natural max, so they mistake gains kept as steroid gains when they just cheated to hit that natural max. Now if you have 19 1/2 cold upper arms, and raw bench 550lbs and are not a huge fat ass, after being off steroids for three years then you are the rare exception.

 

[manfreakca]

look at the ronster and most pro bb after they stop dont look like much do they???????

 

[mr.nitro]

Is it realistic to be able to keep all gains made with Tren? I am not as concerned about keeping strength gains as much as leaness. My bench press is up to 430 for a single and 315for 15 reps at a bodyweight of 200 lbs. I started with 6 wks of Tren A and then changed to Tren E for 6 wks. Last time my bf was tested it was down to 11%. I will have it checked again soon since i think it is down even more. I am really hoping to be able to maintain this bf level after coming of the Tren E. Any insite would be most appreciated!

I think all he's really asking is after a cutting cycle, how long can he maintain a lean body.

 

[Deacon]

ya this whole thread has went away from the original question

 

[BRICK]

I think all he's really asking is after a cutting cycle, how long can he maintain a lean body.

Yes, this is what I was asking.

 

[PreMier]

Yes, this is what I was asking.

How long you maintain a lean body is entirely dependent on your post cycle diet.

 

[Deacon]

yes it depends on how long he stays to his diet

 

[MANWHORE]

PCT is very important and i believe Tren E at 400mg/week is the best PCT ... I am starting to get a very nice buzz so who's up for shooting the shit? .. Hey Deacon,what state you in?

 

[Bigkarch]

so a post cycle diet is the only key to keeping a lean body which is entirely (which means no other factors are important), to keeping a lean body

How long you maintain a lean body is entirely dependent on your post cycle diet.

 

[Bigkarch]

BTW bro, what is natural prime..heard this before, but since you added this here, I was wondering what you mean by natural prime

You would have to take a 2 years off or more to lose the 50lbs steroids gave you past your natural prime....and sure in the end with a great diet and great training program you might keep 5+lbs largely due to muscle memory.....but almost no person trains to their natural prime and they mistake what they could have built naturally as steroid permanent gains. GH on the otherhand will give you some gains for life.

 

[Bigkarch]

again what is a natural max...how does someone know what there natural max is....how can you tell when you are completely maxed out naturally..and cant cant gain a single ounce or lift another ounce.

Like I said before, most people use steroids way before they hit their natural max, so they mistake gains kept as steroid gains when they just cheated to hit that natural max. Now if you have 19 1/2 cold upper arms, and raw bench 550lbs and are not a huge fat ass, after being off steroids for three years then you are the rare exception.

 

[DonkeyKong]

if you lose ALL your gains then that means either you train like a pussy
or you eat like a pussy...or both...IMO its all mental post cycle my lifts have always continued going up though I might have lost half my bw gains ...But evntually you can get it back.

 

[Deacon]

if you lose ALL your gains then that means either you train like a pussy
or you eat like a pussy...or both...IMO its all mental post cycle my lifts have always continued going up though I might have lost half my bw gains ...But evntually you can get it back.

my point exactly

 

[Beefy]

Having done only 2 cycles, I'm not the most experienced. I was one hell of a natural specimen before AAS, though. I'd say I was as close as one could be to their "natural prime" or whatever.

With both cycles and PCT, I've only continued toward my goals. I'll get there the same way I did before AAS...Diet, training, lifestyle. I haven't lost a thing post cycle. I've only improved.

I love tren.

 

[hackskii]

Did any of you "can't keep gains" clowns even read my post above? HIGH DOSE AAS CYCLING CAN INCREASE YOUR SET POINT....i.e. your limits in the amount of muscle your body can carry has BEEN INCREASED. This has been seen by thousands of AAS users over the years, period.

This is a false statement.

I think you are confusing hyperplasia with hypertrophy.
Gear does not do this and will not RAISE your set point.
I think this is just wishfull thinking.

Hyperplasia can happen with IGF-1 and HGH, even still I think it is minimal.
I have tried both of those but not together.

There is only so much muscle you can hold onto with the amounts of hormones you have.