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why do most people say "test is best broo"? as if its fact?
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knucklesamich
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I'm surprised to see people who believe we aren't getting AAS raws from the very same folks and very same labs that provide most of the pharmaceutical drugs to most of the world--China. I'm not saying other countries don't provide that, or that we (North America) get Trenbolone prescribed by TRT clinics. I'm just saying, I don't think there's some little chinese guy with a goatee and mostly missing teeth laughing over his bathtub laboratory as he makes up our raws. Pharmacy shmarmacy, same shit-different avenue.
Also I'll say "Test is best" is just a saying, it implies that your body makes it, or in most of our cases, used to, and thus our bodies are used to it. Doesn't mean Nandrolone isn't a good PED, despite the health risks of any PED. However, for 'MOST' people, you'll tolerate Test with ease compared to most. Your body knows exactly what to do with Test, but if you used e.g. Dbol by itself, it'll shut down your production of Test and you'd be left with something Testosterone derived (kind of experimental), the outcome of which would be, as a lot of already put it, dependent on that person's body chemistry and the results will vary.
Water retention, or the lack thereof can be the result of all kinds of things. Small story before I bow out. I had an . . . accident a few years ago, small health incident involving the left ventricle. As a result, I was treated to Jardiance, which I am able to acquire really cheap through GoodRx. Anyway, after making a complete recovery, I continued the use of this drug. A few cycles down the line I wondered for the life of me why I was not retaining water, that I'd normally retain through the use of Dianabol, which I had included in that latest cycle. As some might guess, it was the Jardiance, yep that sucker is a diuretic. So as the dbol was putting on the water, the Jardiance was simply removing it. Just saying. I do know some folks that naturally don't retain water even with the use of Dbol, which you will probably not be getting through your doctor, unless you live in Mehico, or some place like that, some places in South America maybe. ???
Also I'll say "Test is best" is just a saying, it implies that your body makes it, or in most of our cases, used to, and thus our bodies are used to it. Doesn't mean Nandrolone isn't a good PED, despite the health risks of any PED. However, for 'MOST' people, you'll tolerate Test with ease compared to most. Your body knows exactly what to do with Test, but if you used e.g. Dbol by itself, it'll shut down your production of Test and you'd be left with something Testosterone derived (kind of experimental), the outcome of which would be, as a lot of already put it, dependent on that person's body chemistry and the results will vary.
Water retention, or the lack thereof can be the result of all kinds of things. Small story before I bow out. I had an . . . accident a few years ago, small health incident involving the left ventricle. As a result, I was treated to Jardiance, which I am able to acquire really cheap through GoodRx. Anyway, after making a complete recovery, I continued the use of this drug. A few cycles down the line I wondered for the life of me why I was not retaining water, that I'd normally retain through the use of Dianabol, which I had included in that latest cycle. As some might guess, it was the Jardiance, yep that sucker is a diuretic. So as the dbol was putting on the water, the Jardiance was simply removing it. Just saying. I do know some folks that naturally don't retain water even with the use of Dbol, which you will probably not be getting through your doctor, unless you live in Mehico, or some place like that, some places in South America maybe. ???
CraneKraken
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I'm doing the same with EQ.
CraneKraken
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Haha... You're not nearly as clever or as bright as you seem to think. In fact you're now a clown for this forums amusement.
dinfar1337
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wassup with it? ik it creates hematocrit issues have you noticed any issues at tilrating up at different dosages? i dont wanna hear the science stuff, just experience. i really dont wanna be questioned if im gay for 10 minutes straight to donate blood. thats the only reason i ran primo before but im almost out. had no issues with it
xrayphoton13
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I'm in the test is best camp but I think the studies done with nandrolone were done solo without testosterone. I'm not sure we know if nandrolone would cause as many issues or they would be as severe if it was run with testosterone or with e2 in the normal range.
Also adding that bloat is more due to diet. When I ran deca/dbol no test I was bloated as fuck bc my stupid coach at the time put me on 5k calories. Probably only needed 3.5k at the time
Also adding that bloat is more due to diet. When I ran deca/dbol no test I was bloated as fuck bc my stupid coach at the time put me on 5k calories. Probably only needed 3.5k at the time
dinfar1337
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big fan of test with other anabolics. as long as test is there and its fucking high dosage.
CraneKraken
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Yeah, so that's the one issue I've had. Hematocrit is above the reference range by a decent margin. I tried MB and a few other things with diet but not much has changed. I've run EQ a few times before so I'll probably just donate some blood. It's not ideal but it beats the alternative.
It's obviously slow but steady gains. It's nice to have in the background. I sometimes forget I'm on it until injection day but I've only been back on for about 6 weeks. I expect I'll start to really feel the difference soon. I've always like EQ and other than the hematocrit issues I see very little downside to it.
CaptainAll
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So with nandrolone solo studies, what were the results?
Subjects gained weight, muscle mass and side effects were minimal.
so what is wrong with Nandrolone solo?
Spaceman Spiff
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littlebicepsbigdick
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@CaptainAll did you forget to add the "Know It" in the middle of your name? Seriously?
IndividualMan
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>Hepato- & Nephrotoxicity
>likely some sort of Brain damage
>effects were minimal
yep, checks out
but in all seriousness, how horribly did you mismanage your health/diet/training to get subpar gains on 750 test? I get high E2 as well, but I even grew with minimal training (1-2x/week) + a dogshit diet (high fat, medium carbs low protein) and i grew like a weed on even the lowest of doses of test+ DHT
I would appreciate a sort of in-depth answer, not one of these half-sentences you keep throwing out, so that we can get a better understanding of YOUR situation (not what someone else said, not soma Rat-nutsack study, not "this is what Nandrolone does in droopy eyed armless children with space AIDS".
What is YOUR bloodwork saying, how do YOU feel physically/mentally, what are the people around you, your family/ friends, saying about you/ how do they describe YOU if asked, have your interactions with / view of your environment changed since you started nandrolone, etc.)
Tldr:
What did you do? TELL US. this is a harm reduction forum, the point is to reduce harm, help each other, not to JUST fling shit at each other
CaptainAll
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I sincerely appreciate your message.
First of all, I want to apologize to everyone if I have come across as a retard with my statements. I fully accept that I should leave MY perceptions and experience to myself and should not speak in absolutes.
My experience with test has not always been negative. My first cycle of test prop was great. I felt the libido, energy and gains were astronomical.
For whatever reason, I do not feel test at all now. And I have only used Pharma grade: Aspen (Turkey Sustanon), Testoviron I purchased in Thailand and Omnadren purchased in Kazakhstan.
I travel a lot, so can always buy pharmacy gear when I am in a particular country.
I tried to go as high as 1000mg of test and for whatever reason, I feel no positives. My libido dies, I get ED and muscles are sore and face becomes bloated. I tried to go with AI, no AI. I do not know why it is happening.
I had bloodwork, test was high as expected, estrogen either low or high, same thing.
I would love to be able to use test as most of you do and experience positives. Test is easy to obtain and is a proven and studied AAS. But why I am now not responding, is beyond me.
Only by using Nandrolone have I seen the results and feeling of being ON. That is why I am biased towards it.
If you can help me with advice, I will be grateful.
Please, everyone, forgive me the ignorance I have emitted here. In reality I am a simple guy and quite social. Please, accept my apologies
dinfar1337
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it sounds like you're extremely unstable if you're being real. you should try to get regular bloodtest until you get that estrogen and everything else in range.
using deca only is not a good solution. its like getting drunk and fucking a fat bitch. yeah you might not notice the rolls on her belly today but tommorow it will hit you like a fucking bus
Spaceman Spiff
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I love test but there is a limit to your libido increase and also benefits... thats why some of us dont permablast dude....
Moon face is so much more than just being e2 related as well. there are other factors such as angiotensin, increased water retention.
More is not always better... I feel best at "high normal" test levels
CraneKraken
Member
Totally respectable response, man.
Damn, it’s been a while to see someone actually being mature and respond in a manly, respectful manner. Kudos brother, respect.
You’re completely the anti-ghoul lol.
Spaceman Spiff
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So many aggregates, not enough filters.
dinfar1337
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hes been banned for a few days and i already miss him.
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