Serpes
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Hi I wanted to know why people suggest an AI during a cycle rather than after the cycle is concluded?
In some cycle threads I see an AI during a cycle.
In some cycle threads I see an AI during a cycle.
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Why do some people suggest am AI during a cycle?
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ChestRockwell
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Because folks are largely parroting information they've seen others write on hormone message boards over the years.
AIs should not be proactively used and only in the event they are needed. Estrogen is a good thing and artificially suppressing it via AI over-reliance leads to a whole list of potential problems...
AIs should not be proactively used and only in the event they are needed. Estrogen is a good thing and artificially suppressing it via AI over-reliance leads to a whole list of potential problems...
Jeremiahflex
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Cycle without an AI and let us know what happens. I have a discount code for lace bra's on ebay if you need it. No but serious have an AI on hand and bloods are always your best bet
ChestRockwell
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If you are needing AIs then you likely are either running too much gear, or have a very poorly designed blast.
Jeremiahflex
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Doctors prescribe AI's on trt doses so idk what you're talking about. Everybody's different though
ChestRockwell
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I stand 100% behind my statement, independent of what doctors do. Remember, they also prescribe statins for "high" cholesterol levels...so, appeals to authority are not always the best debate tactic.
Savagesteve
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Not everyone needs an ai on cycle but they're better to have on hand. I need .5 adex every 5-6 days on only 500mg of test but like has been stated, everyone's different. Some dudes will be well on their way to titty town at that dose without an ai.
Serpes
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If I run my cycle as
Week 1-10 Test E
Week 1-4 Dianabol
Should I take an AI during my cycle like EOD?
Week 1-10 Test E
Week 1-4 Dianabol
Should I take an AI during my cycle like EOD?
JJ408G
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you most likely going to get tits on dbol!
al must definitely
Serpes
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What AI at what dosage should I take? And how often?
I was told in a another thread to take the AIs 2 weeks after my cycle finishes. Not during the cycle.
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JJ408G
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adex @ .25 every 2 days might be fine
you need to dial it in with blood work cuz we just guessing at this point every one is different
Savagesteve
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SERM and AI are two different things. You need to do a lot more research before running any aas.
JJ408G
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you going to need both a ai and serms
when cycling
when cycling
How much gear is too much? You're implying that there's a limit.
Serpes
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I am not cycling anything and am many months away from ever using AAS. What are the the important differences and when should each be used?
I ran a search but I couldn't find useful information. AIs prevent estrogen from being synthesized and SERMS act on Estrogen receptors without reducing your estrogen levels, correct?
I specifically want to know when I should use each.
To be clear:
Arimidex= AI
Nolvadex= SERM
Clomid = SERM
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Savagesteve
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Okay great you're getting somewhere. Nolvadex and clomid are used during pct which is to get your body to start producing its own test again since taking synthetic test will shut down natty production. Pct is started approx. 4 half lives after last pin so pct should be started 20 days +- 2 days after last pin of test e. Clomid and nolva will be ran 4 weeks at these dosages per day. Clomid 50mg per day for 4 weeks and nolva 20mg per day for 4 weeks.
Now onto the ai. Since this is your first cycle I'm gonna recommend running test only to see how your body reacts but you're gonna do what you want so here we go. You're more than like gonna want to run .5adex every other day while takes my dbol for the first 4 weeks. If it were me I'd dial it back to .5adex every 3-4 days after stopping the dbol and get blood work about week 6 to really try to dial in the AI. Any more questions?
ChestRockwell
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"Too much" in this context would be where the risk/reward ratio is skewed in the wrong direction.
With the exception of advanced level folks, the majority (and I tend to believe most folks on this board fall into this category) should follow the 80/20 rule.
There is no sense pushing past this point where you theoretically may have a marginally greater hypertrophy potential while simultaneously introducing much higher sides. I preach a lot about "minimum effective doses" and a happy body tends to be a body that does what we ask of it in a more ideal fashion.
Serpes
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I have no further questions. You make excellent posts as usual SavageSteve.
Savagesteve
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And just keep in mind my knowledge isn't from a long period of experience. I'm on my 2nd cycle and have researched a ton on this forum and have gotten a ton of great advice from some of the seasoned vets around here. I'd rather try to help than have ou making a post about needing to wear a sports bra when running from now on.
Jeremiahflex
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You don't mention blood work at all. How would any body know estro and test levels without bloodwork. You mention a "happy body" sounds like you're basing that on just how you feel. Whether or not someone needs an AI is dependent on the way they respond to test, telling people they don't need it is reckless.
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