Why MESO is tough on sources

[hfo369]

The sunk cost fallacy.

But I suspect that the answer is not so simple. Free or discounted gear tends to make people develop a taste for boot polish, I've noticed. Judging by some of the vitriol directed at people who post actual scientific testing, I'd be more inclined to believe that certain members are trying to protect their own interests.

Fair point. I think we are both correct. PG was always running strong sales, PG is not a lab that gave away free gear, there are always those labs that do give the free gear and they’re are not in question atm... not that I’m aware of anyway

 

[Test_Subject]

Fair point. I think we are both correct. PG was always running strong sales, PG is not a lab that gave away free gear, there are always those labs that do give the free gear and they’re are not in question atm... not that I’m aware of anyway

When you have reps and members literally posting that they don't care that a source falsified an HPLC test, you have a huge underlying problem at your forum.

What possibility is there of maintaining any semblance of integrity when people openly state that they don't give a shit about falsified reports because "the feelz®" were good?

That's so fucked up and broken that I can't even wrap my head around the thought-process involved. "They falsified documents, but I trust them to be honest in their dealings with me."

What...the...fuck?

 

[Cityofgrit]

When you have reps and members literally posting that they don't care that a source falsified an HPLC test, you have a huge underlying problem at your forum.

What possibility is there of maintaining any semblance of integrity when people openly state that they don't give a shit about falsified reports because "the feelz®" were good?

That's so fucked up and broken that I can't even wrap my head around the thought-process involved. "They falsified documents, but I trust them to be honest in their dealings with me."

What...the...fuck?

I like the comment..but the registered trademark was epic

 

[sherk]

When you have reps and members literally posting that they don't care that a source falsified an HPLC test, you have a huge underlying problem at your forum.

What possibility is there of maintaining any semblance of integrity when people openly state that they don't give a shit about falsified reports because "the feelz[emoji2400]" were good?

That's so fucked up and broken that I can't even wrap my head around the thought-process involved. "They falsified documents, but I trust them to be honest in their dealings with me."

What...the...fuck?

That guy is the biggest dipshit I’ve ever come into contact with. Keep in mind, he is also injecting grams of that gear in his body. But fuck it, right? Then the idiot creates a gimmick account to impersonate Alexandria (hope I got her name right) from L4T. Everything about that situation and Z’s entire network is a fraudulent joke.

 

[teejey]

That guy is the biggest dipshit I’ve ever come into contact with. Keep in mind, he is also injecting grams of that gear in his body. But fuck it, right? Then the idiot creates a gimmick account to impersonate Alexandria (hope I got her name right) from L4T. Everything about that situation and Z’s entire network is a fraudulent joke.

I figured it out a year ago when they got me for $500, I tried going the talk to the rep route and got the run around and the deflection bla bla bla bla customers wrong your bloodwork was probably wrong pull them again then send the remaining vials to a vet of the board so they can see how it "feels" this was dragged out for a few weeks at first it seemed like it was gonna be fixed right away but slowly turned into you're probably reverse scamming cuz we run a tight ship it's literally impossible the gear was underdosed. Eventually I said fuck it. I didn't even bother trying to post it in the open forum since the reps are mods and I didn't feel like listening to the cock riding members that jump on anyone that says the mighty top notch fire g2g labs is bullshit. I've pulled shitty bloods twice in the last two years, I'm not gonna try to be cool with the lab and get reimbursed for catching them in a scam anymore it's all getting posted they don't follow thru with it.

 

[T&H]

One thing i don't understand about ASF is how moderators can also be reps. Common sense says that altho a mod can claim he's impartial to a situation, it's too easy for him to side with his lab when a problem arise and use his mod powers wrongly. The very fact mods can he reps makes me question all of ASF.

 

[Oldschool]

One thing i don't understand about ASF is how moderators can also be reps. Common sense says that altho a mod can claim he's impartial to a situation, it's too easy for him to side with his lab when a problem arise and use his mod powers wrongly. The very fact mods can he reps makes me question all of ASF.

Do they reprimand or ban members for slinging gear behind the scenes? Not accusing you but just curious how they handle situations like that compared to Meso.

 

[Meterman05]

Do they reprimand or ban members for slinging gear behind the scenes? Not accusing you but just curious how they handle situations like that compared to Meso.

Yes any member found soliciting through PM is banned immediately. Does that mean that some backroom deals don't go on? Probably not. As far as I know though no reps or mods sell through PM. They have a pretty strict policy about labs only soliciting through there sub-forums/source email. It's like any board though I am sure that some guys get hit up in private but only an idiot would do a deal through PM instead of encrypted emails.

 

[T&H]

Do they reprimand or ban members for slinging gear behind the scenes? Not accusing you but just curious how they handle situations like that compared to Meso.

Yes any member found soliciting through PM is banned immediately. Does that mean that some backroom deals don't go on? Probably not. As far as I know though no reps or mods sell through PM. They have a pretty strict policy about labs only soliciting through there sub-forums/source email. It's like any board though I am sure that some guys get hit up in private but only an idiot would do a deal through PM instead of encrypted emails.

@sherk @hfo369 How often are members banned for selling through PM? Maybe not recently, but I know I've seen guys post a "Looking for this or that" and saw one or two others say "sent you a pm". Since PMs can't be read by admin, I'd imagine it's only when a member reports it.

 

[Meterman05]

Do they reprimand or ban members for slinging gear behind the scenes? Not accusing you but just curious how they handle situations like that compared to Meso.


@sherk @hfo369 How often are members banned for selling through PM? Maybe not recently, but I know I've seen guys post a "Looking for this or that" and saw one or two others say "sent you a pm". Since PMs can't be read by admin, I'd imagine it's only when a member reports it.

Typically from what I have seen if someone wants something that sponsors don't carry guys will shoot each other with a PM to a website or source that isn't paying to be on the website. It's usually something oddball like maybe BP meds or a really obscure item say sublingual testosterone tablets. I believe that stuff is okay as it's more pointing someone to get something that no sponsor carries and isn't any kind of rec thing.

Of course there are a number of dumbass idiots that openly post for ambien, adderall and shit like that. Just like here they want a handout for there fix since the guy behind 7-11 got locked up or whoever they buy from ran out of there Rx before a refill. Those guys usually have 1-5 posts and ghost after getting flamed or the mods will step in and alter there post saying something like "don't ask for rec things here" and leave the original thread up. I have seen multiple threads started where some shill will ask about a website or source that isn't on the board under the guise of seeking information when in reality they are just plugging a website/source.

Same as here when some idiot openly asks a generic question like "who has fyre test" I am sure there are lurkers that send them a PM with some source that isn't on the board. Sherk and HOF can probably elaborate more but I don't think that open sourcing through PM is tolerated. Yes we get the generic PM's that sponsors send out about an upcoming sale but I have never had any specific PM selling me personally anything but then again I like to think I am of at least average intelligence and never openly ask for anything since I try to do as most and research then make an educated guess.

Like any board though I am not admin and can't see everything that goes on. The mods that are reps are pretty good about being impartial. When someone makes a post usually reps/mods will answer with "check out our sponsor" but never the hard sell and will direct them to the sponsors sub forum.

Meso is very unique in that there are no paying sponsors and it's an open source board. I like ASF because on the surface the mods seem level headed and do take care of things that should. Is there a potential for abuse ? Absolutely. However of all the boards with paid sponsors I will say they seem the fairest as BOP is notorious for all good reviews when fees are paid. Don't even get me started on promuscle. More power to everybody's loyalty to different boards but just my interpretation and I think that anyone with half a brain cell that looks at things objectively would see shit isn't right. Every board has it's shit shows no board is immune to it. The ones that just get rid on any trace at all and try to make it look like they have never had one are the ones to run from.

 

[Jswole220]

Unfortunately looks like nothing is going to happen to PSL/Z on asf. I’m not surprised honestly but I had hope seeing some mods step up and do the right thing.

 

[MisterSuperGod]

Unfortunately looks like nothing is going to happen to PSL/Z on asf. I’m not surprised honestly but I had hope seeing some mods step up and do the right thing.

He's got the guts to tell it like it is. i tip my hat to him for his honesty and integrity.

 

[QueenBee]

Unfortunately looks like nothing is going to happen to PSL/Z on asf. I’m not surprised honestly but I had hope seeing some mods step up and do the right thing.

Thank you @sherk. Nice to see someone take action. I am so shocked that Uncle Z will get to stay.

 

[B Ware]

Unfortunately looks like nothing is going to happen to PSL/Z on asf. I’m not surprised honestly but I had hope seeing some mods step up and do the right thing.

That was refreshing seeing that. Mad respect @sherk!

 

[Mdrock98]

Unfortunately looks like nothing is going to happen to PSL/Z on asf. I’m not surprised honestly but I had hope seeing some mods step up and do the right thing.

Psl and Z had been shady for a while. I tossed out a couple of vials from them because it was garbage.
Not surprised at all that ASF aren’t doing anything about it, that rent.. [emoji2357] and who cares about their community is the ASF way right? GC is the only solid guy there.

[emoji1635]

 

[Test_Subject]

So it turns out that it looks like sweet fucking not-a-God-damned-thing is going to happen to PSL over this. Oh well. We tried to help, but there's not much you can do when the board owner is more concerned with his precious sponsors than his members.

@sherk I do have a lot of respect for you telling it like it is. You tried and I respect that. ASF has some great members, but as a whole it looks like we were right about it being slimy, unfortunately.

 

[sherk]

Do they reprimand or ban members for slinging gear behind the scenes? Not accusing you but just curious how they handle situations like that compared to Meso.

Yes, they are banned for that. There’s been too many scams that happen between members.

 

[sherk]

Do they reprimand or ban members for slinging gear behind the scenes? Not accusing you but just curious how they handle situations like that compared to Meso.


@sherk @hfo369 How often are members banned for selling through PM? Maybe not recently, but I know I've seen guys post a "Looking for this or that" and saw one or two others say "sent you a pm". Since PMs can't be read by admin, I'd imagine it's only when a member reports it.

I can count on one hand how many people I’ve banned for that and I’ve been a mod since 2014 these. I’m sure people sell behind the scene, but we only hear about it when someone gets scammed. We can’t read people PM’s

 

[lifter6973]

Thank you @sherk. Nice to see someone take action. I am so shocked that Uncle Z will get to stay.

I am not- they have weathered stuff like this before. Like Sherk said, admin loses 3X member dues if they ban Z, PSL and the SARMs place. Too much money to lose. Z for sure is one that will likely never go away. What kills me is the busts with Z and they operate under the same name and in similar fashion to when they were busted. Z is obviously not worried about LE or business image at all. They must be doing well.

 

[MindlessWork]

I am not- they have weathered stuff like this before. Like Sherk said, admin loses 3X member dues if they ban Z, PSL and the SARMs place. Too much money to lose. Z for sure is one that will likely never go away. What kills me is the busts with Z and they operate under the same name and in similar fashion to when they were busted. Z is obviously not worried about LE or business image at all. They must be doing well.

The domestic operation of Z's been busted/compromised so it's the international division that's still going strong.