Why MESO is tough on sources

[Gbro]

I’ll post where ever i want to post. Read it or don’t read it I could not care less.

The “protection” of sources you claim im doing is the exact opposite of that. I am not protecting sources it’s called “investigation” to get the truth. That is why I posted praetorians other lab results by another member so other members can make their own decisions based on the information at hand and not my opinion, Does that make sense?


The facts are you judge people with no proof, you judged me for scamming and being on the take just because I’m a mod, how foolish are you? I’ve never taken a dime for anything even resembling a scam or something dishonest. I’ve been i this game a long ass time, I am a mod for specific reasons, a couple of which to help my bro’s in iron have a platform to talk and get quality gear. Not for Jr high school drama like you are causing with unverified claims.

Who is the gullible one? You for believing a random new members post claims?
or am I gullible for believing in my actual blood work and the physical proof of my physique ? I use PSL tren ace and hex, both were high quality so yeah I want proof of the allegations made against them.

Now you-say “I bet half of the sources would test badly” you’re gossiping and nothing more man, so you do you and I’ll do me. Let see where this ends up .... Let’s leave it at that.

All you're doing is making excuses. Everyone can read between the lines and see that you are full of shit. Feel free to post as much as you want. The more you post, the more of a shit bag you show yourself to be.

 

[hfo369]

I’m fine with you guys only knowing one side of a story. Good luck with that life philosophy lol

Also, it seems to me from some comments I’ve read some of you may believe this board is funded solely by the owner? Is that correct?

 

[MuyPicante]

I see

Anyone reading what you are saying can see how retarded your position is, thanks for saving me time to type out a response

Actually you are the one who is a retard. You keep implying there is a position but there isn't. You know what is retarded though. T-shirts with orders. Nothing like getting your lab name out there in the gyms. Great marketing strategy...if it was legal!

You know what else is retarded?? Accepting credit cards for gear, and charging sales tax on gear.

Maybe you are retarded if you can't figure that out?!?!?!?

 

[MisterSuperGod]

I’m fine with you guys only knowing one side of a story. Good luck with that life philosophy lol

Also, it seems to me from some comments I’ve read some of you may believe this board is funded solely by the owner? Is that correct?

The banners help pay the bills. The difference is the sources in those banners don't get to moderate their own threads and their money doesn't buy them a sub forum.

There's a reason why the majority of those sources seen in those banners don't post here.

 

[MadBret]

I’m fine with you guys only knowing one side of a story. Good luck with that life philosophy lol

Also, it seems to me from some comments I’ve read some of you may believe this board is funded solely by the owner? Is that correct?

Some folks here may think that but the truth is, these banners you are referring to are not promoted by members or mods. They are honestly not even spoken of, for the most part. If they aren't in the underground enduring the heat from members, doing testing etc., then they don't amount to shit around here.

 

[BigBaldBeardGuy]

I’m fine with you guys only knowing one side of a story. Good luck with that life philosophy lol

Also, it seems to me from some comments I’ve read some of you may believe this board is funded solely by the owner? Is that correct?

MESO sells advertising everyone knows that.

But I haven’t seen any posts mysteriously deleted here.

One of those paid advertisers is Valkyrie. About a month ago they started a thread and offered 20% discount and got hammered. Not a single post was deleted.

So your implication that MESO is somehow swayed by that sort of thing is totally bullshit.

Next try?

Rather than wasting time over here you might want to get together with your ASF mods and start figuring out solutions. Sales are going to be down when members start figuring stuff out. You should be in damage control mode.

 

[MuyPicante]

Are you implying up north is one of the aforementioned labs?

Who knows....who knows

 

[Silentlemon1011]

I’m fine with you guys only knowing one side of a story. Good luck with that life philosophy lol

Also, it seems to me from some comments I’ve read some of you may believe this board is funded solely by the owner? Is that correct?

Not one side of the story.
The MAJORITY
of the the story.

The only thing we dont know is what happens amongst admins/mods at ASF.

But we can accurately hypothesize what happens.

Based upon the responses and threads that trash guys like Jswole.
When anyone who defends "whistleblowers" gets banned or ostracized from your so called "community"

You may think you are "doing the right thing"
But nothing could be further from the truth

You practice IMMEDIATE attacks on any member that disagrees with a sponsor.

Which is evident from your attacks in the Lab4tox Thread.

Like I said

At MESO we believe the MEMBERS first.
The SOURCE must disprove the member with EVIDENCE

The SOURCE is guilty until proven innocent.
and the MEMBER is CORRECT and innocent until proven guilty

ASF/BOP/Eroids etc.

It's the exact opposite.

Sure you may handle abd ban sources..
But its FAR after the fact.
and ONLY as damage control, since the mods and shills failed in their attempts to cover up the sources mistakes.

NOT because it's the right thing, but because you need to keep up appearances

 

[Gbro]

I’m fine with you guys only knowing one side of a story. Good luck with that life philosophy lol

Also, it seems to me from some comments I’ve read some of you may believe this board is funded solely by the owner? Is that correct?

No, that is not correct.

 

[MisterSuperGod]

Not one side of the story.
The MAJORITY
of the the story.

The only thing we dont know is what happens amongst admins/mods at ASF.

But we can accurately hypothesize what happens.

Based upon the responses and threads that trash guys like Jswole.
When anyone who defends "whistleblowers" gets banned or ostracized from your so called "community"

You may think you are "doing the right thing"
But nothing could be further from the truth

You practice IMMEDIATE attacks on any member that disagrees with a sponsor.

Which is evident from your attacks in the Lab4tox Thread.

Like I said

At MESO we believe the MEMBERS first.
The SOURCE must disprove the member with EVIDENCE

The SOURCE is guilty until proven innocent.
and the MEMBER is CORRECT and innocent until proven guilty

ASF/BOP/Eroids etc.

It's the exact opposite.

Sure you may handle abd ban sources..
But its FAR after the fact.
and ONLY as damage control, since the mods and shills failed in their attempts to cover up the sources mistakes.

NOT because it's the right thing, but because you need to keep up appearances

Why do i get the feeling that if L4T had posted about a fake report that was posted by some no name lab that's not on ASF, that mod man here wouldn't have said a word?

"You bet your bitch, retard, stupid, dumb ass that i still would have said something!"

i'm like a mind reader. i can already see the reply before it's even typed up.

 

[biggerben69]

As far as PSL “forged certs” thread goes, here’s what I have to say about that, before we hang a well documented source out to dry, let’s figure things out.
Question: who is “lab4tox” the member?
Question: How do we know he is legit or if he has a a agenda?
Answer: We do not know who he is.
or if he has a a agenda.

Now is the time we gather facts and proof of claims for both sides. Believing one unproven post after the next is the equivalent of Putting All your eggs in one basket, it’s foolish. I won’t do that and neither should anyone else.

The take away is nothing has happened atm, other than accusations, so hold off on the judgments

I appreciate you hanging in here and giving your perspective. It's great to have a staff member from another board take more time out of his day to visit with us.
Change is never easy. Especially when you have Dinosaur like custom who is used to being stroked all day long by staff and members alike. He's a personable guy, he's comfortable with the model he's made a living in. Put him where he doesn't have a measure of control and script to follow and he's all out of sorts. Control over ones environment isn't a concern at meso.

Real quick...PSL is suspect and always has been. Reason being everyone's favorite Uncle birthed psl....no matter who says it isn't true.
Selective Scamming Uncle Z. Z coined the phrase "Working Replicas" when he was caught dead to rights selling counterfeit Omnadren. He wasn't about to refund $$ or admit blame. He claimed and instructed his reps to use the term "Working Replicas" when referring to the fakes.
He even went so far as to say the replicas were "stronger" than the real Omnas.
The problem, of course, was the Omnas pre dated the counterfeit US Pharmacy Test Cyp that Ret sold out for when he brought Domestic Supply and the infamous endless supply of Watson Test Cyp to the Community. He had found a way to charge Pharmacy/human grade gear prices for ugl gear. Its stealing. If ret set foot in the US he'd be looking over his shoulder for special agents from the FDA who handle counterfeit fda approved products and cases of introducing those fakes into interstate commerce.

A campaign to ward off claims of the Watson test cyp being counterfeit was waged. "Bloodwork" was the mantra of shills Community wide.
It would be a short lived scam if there wasn't any hormone in the vials. So there was. And to this day ret won't tell the truth. There's a special place in hell for liars like ret. Ret and his army of shills got to the point where they would shrug their shoulders and tell members to believe it or not. They claimed there was no proof that the Watsons weren't legit.
Wild tales of untold pallets of Watson Test Cyp vanishing into thin air or out a side door at the plant in Portugal. I still want to cave the skulls in and boil alive the pieces of shit pushing that angle.
Now you can find every brand of US Pharmaceutical Testosterone prescribed for TRT in unlimited amounts. The scam continues/

A quick question, @hfo369 ....because I honestly don't know the answer.....do sources have moderator controls over threads in their paid forums? Some boards these days claim that the sources have "Soft" control over the threads. I guess its been said that "Soft" control means that staff is notified every time a source edits a post in their threads? Does anything like I just described take place at asf?

 

[biggerben69]

Also, it seems to me from some comments I’ve read some of you may believe this board is funded solely by the owner? Is that correct?

Would you believe there was a rumor going around about 10 months ago that the boards owner, myself, and @StanfordPharma were trafficking narcotics to pay our way around here. My good reputation still hasn't recovered.

Here is a link to a bust about 6yrs ago. Eurochem, psl and uncle z all in one police blog.....EuroPharmacies - Steroid UGL largest ever busted in state of Indiana

 

[lifter6973]

Who is ret? I have to admit I question myself the Watsons and WestWards that were being sold. I believe they did have real testosterone in them but not pharmacy caliber. I know a few other sources who still currently sell WestWard vials and Perrigo amps. They look pretty damn close to the real thing.
The other crazy part about that Z bust in 2014 was the Starkeys' were busted again for the same fucking thing while they were out on bond. Unreal.

 

[teejey]

The thing I've noticed on source pay boards whenever bad bloods get posted the person is obviously reverse scamming etc etc. Person gets attacked has to pull bloods multiple times send a vial to a "vet" so they can test it for feelz. Eventually people just stop posting bloods, I notice veterans of the board occasionally mention why isn't anyone pulling bloods? Either they are and not posting the results because they don't feel like dealing with the drama( which I've done a few times) or they just don't pull bloods to check anything. Judging by the amount of times my bloodwork is literally all over the place on the same dosages they know most people don't even check their bloodwork. Also you hear everyone say test is so cheap nobody would fake it but it's always different. If the test is off who says any of the more expensive stuff is what they say it is. Seeing the drama on ASF right now is a prime example of why I just say fuck it and move on when Ive pulled shitty bloodwork. Im a grown man with a full-time life and bodybuilding is my passion playing piss and moan over 300 dollars with a lab that ripped you off isn't worth my time. After bloods and sending samples you're already in 2xs the amount of the blast, if it' all turns out to be shit what do you want store credit? No thanks I'll take my cash somewhere else.

 

[QueenBee]

Would you believe there was a rumor going around about 10 months ago that the boards owner, myself, and @StanfordPharma were trafficking narcotics to pay our way around here. My good reputation still hasn't recovered.

Here is a link to a bust about 6yrs ago. Eurochem, psl and uncle z all in one police blog.....EuroPharmacies - Steroid UGL largest ever busted in state of Indiana

Meso sees you are genuinely for our community. I appreciate your helpfulness, respect, and concern with keeping our members safe.

 

[hfo369]

I appreciate you hanging in here and giving your perspective. It's great to have a staff member from another board take more time out of his day to visit with us.
Change is never easy. Especially when you have Dinosaur like custom who is used to being stroked all day long by staff and members alike. He's a personable guy, he's comfortable with the model he's made a living in. Put him where he doesn't have a measure of control and script to follow and he's all out of sorts. Control over ones environment isn't a concern at meso.

Real quick...PSL is suspect and always has been. Reason being everyone's favorite Uncle birthed psl....no matter who says it isn't true.
Selective Scamming Uncle Z. Z coined the phrase "Working Replicas" when he was caught dead to rights selling counterfeit Omnadren. He wasn't about to refund $$ or admit blame. He claimed and instructed his reps to use the term "Working Replicas" when referring to the fakes.
He even went so far as to say the replicas were "stronger" than the real Omnas.
The problem, of course, was the Omnas pre dated the counterfeit US Pharmacy Test Cyp that Ret sold out for when he brought Domestic Supply and the infamous endless supply of Watson Test Cyp to the Community. He had found a way to charge Pharmacy/human grade gear prices for ugl gear. Its stealing. If ret set foot in the US he'd be looking over his shoulder for special agents from the FDA who handle counterfeit fda approved products and cases of introducing those fakes into interstate commerce.

A campaign to ward off claims of the Watson test cyp being counterfeit was waged. "Bloodwork" was the mantra of shills Community wide.
It would be a short lived scam if there wasn't any hormone in the vials. So there was. And to this day ret won't tell the truth. There's a special place in hell for liars like ret. Ret and his army of shills got to the point where they would shrug their shoulders and tell members to believe it or not. They claimed there was no proof that the Watsons weren't legit.
Wild tales of untold pallets of Watson Test Cyp vanishing into thin air or out a side door at the plant in Portugal. I still want to cave the skulls in and boil alive the pieces of shit pushing that angle.
Now you can find every brand of US Pharmaceutical Testosterone prescribed for TRT in unlimited amounts. The scam continues/

A quick question, @hfo369 ....because I honestly don't know the answer.....do sources have moderator controls over threads in their paid forums? Some boards these days claim that the sources have "Soft" control over the threads. I guess its been said that "Soft" control means that staff is notified every time a source edits a post in their threads? Does anything like I just described take place at asf?

Thanks Ben, I know the guys I’ve exchanged comments worh here are passionate about what they believe and I’m not always received well since I say exactly what’s on my mind so it’s all good I have thick skin lol

That being said, I do appreciate you being civil and chatting with with me VS the “HFO is mod” he bad ... it reminds me of the TDS, by any chance @bald guy, are you and your mod hating buddies liberal Democrats lmao [emoji23]

Im short in time atm, but I’ll try and reply to your post tonight after I workout. To answer your one question, reps do have control of their subs, for sales and marketing purposes as well as keeping the trolls at bay.

Also it’s funny. Meso is a sponsor paid board, which makes meso no different than asf. Lol just less reasonable than us.

 

[BigBaldBeardGuy]

The thing I've noticed on source pay boards whenever bad bloods get posted the person is obviously reverse scamming etc etc. Person gets attacked has to pull bloods multiple times send a vial to a "vet" so they can test it for feelz. Eventually people just stop posting bloods, I notice veterans of the board occasionally mention why isn't anyone pulling bloods? Either they are and not posting the results because they don't feel like dealing with the drama( which I've done a few times) or they just don't pull bloods to check anything. Judging by the amount of times my bloodwork is literally all over the place on the same dosages they know most people don't even check their bloodwork. Also you hear everyone say test is so cheap nobody would fake it but it's always different. If the test is off who says any of the more expensive stuff is what they say it is. Seeing the drama on ASF right now is a prime example of why I just say fuck it and move on when Ive pulled shitty bloodwork. Im a grown man with a full-time life and bodybuilding is my passion playing piss and moan over 300 dollars with a lab that ripped you off isn't worth my time. After bloods and sending samples you're already in 2xs the amount of the blast, if it' all turns out to be shit what do you want store credit? No thanks I'll take my cash somewhere else.

As unappealing and frustrating as it is, I hope you post concerns here to MESO. Even if it’s not a UGL that’s on this board. It’s a service to the community. That sort of thing holds these labs accountable even if you don’t get a refund. We only want the good UGLs to survive. Fuck the scammers and shitty brewers for not taking pride in their products.

 

[MindlessWork]

Thanks Ben, I know the guys I’ve exchanged comments worh here are passionate about what they believe and I’m not always received well since I say exactly what’s on my mind so it’s all good I have thick skin lol

That being said, I do appreciate you being civil and chatting with with me VS the “HFO is mod” he bad ... it reminds me of the TDS, by any chance @bald guy, are you and your mod hating buddies liberal Democrats lmao [emoji23]

Im short in time atm, but I’ll try and reply to your post tonight after I workout. To answer your one question, reps do have control of their subs, for sales and marketing purposes as well as keeping the trolls at bay.

Also it’s funny. Meso is a sponsor paid board, which makes meso no different than asf. Lol just less reasonable than us.

I've read your posts over on ASF and you seem to be quite a knowledgeable and honest person. Don't take 3BG's posts too personally as he's only trying to help you understand what makes Meso what it is. I know ASF and Meso are worlds apart but we all still are part of the larger community of lifters who love gear but want to ensure that UGL's are on the level. Stick around here some and you'll surely appreciate how Meso's way is a good way

 

[BigBaldBeardGuy]

Thanks Ben, I know the guys I’ve exchanged comments worh here are passionate about what they believe and I’m not always received well since I say exactly what’s on my mind so it’s all good I have thick skin lol

That being said, I do appreciate you being civil and chatting with with me VS the “HFO is mod” he bad ... it reminds me of the TDS, by any chance @bald guy, are you and your mod hating buddies liberal Democrats lmao [emoji23]

Im short in time atm, but I’ll try and reply to your post tonight after I workout. To answer your one question, reps do have control of their subs, for sales and marketing purposes as well as keeping the trolls at bay.

Also it’s funny. Meso is a sponsor paid board, which makes meso no different than asf. Lol just less reasonable than us.

Omg. Like you are so wrong you big silly boy.

MESO isn’t a paid sponsor board. Never has been and never will be. You misinterpret the ads on the right of the screen. They mean absolutely nothing. Have you seen any of those sources in a thread here? Did you look at the Valkyrie thread that lasted about a week at the beginning of May. Take a read of that one. We weren’t kind.

I’m a conservative republican. That’s why I absolutely despise the censoring of comments to push an agenda. All those rules of what can be posted and what can’t seem a lot like the covid shelter-in-place and wear masks rules. Seems to me you and your fellow mod homies splitting up the communal freebies would fit in nicely with Bernie. Give yourself a cool name like “mod” and you feel like you’re a superman. But coming to MESO must be so frustrating.

Have a nice workout.

 

[Akuj]

I’ll post where ever i want to post. Read it or don’t read it I could not care less.

The “protection” of sources you claim im doing is the exact opposite of that. I am not protecting sources it’s called “investigation” to get the truth. That is why I posted praetorians other lab results by another member so other members can make their own decisions based on the information at hand and not my opinion, Does that make sense?


The facts are you judge people with no proof, you judged me for scamming and being on the take just because I’m a mod, how foolish are you? I’ve never taken a dime for anything even resembling a scam or something dishonest. I’ve been i this game a long ass time, I am a mod for specific reasons, a couple of which to help my bro’s in iron have a platform to talk and get quality gear. Not for Jr high school drama like you are causing with unverified claims.

Who is the gullible one? You for believing a random new members post claims?
or am I gullible for believing in my actual blood work and the physical proof of my physique ? I use PSL tren ace and hex, both were high quality so yeah I want proof of the allegations made against them.

Now you-say “I bet half of the sources would test badly” you’re gossiping and nothing more man, so you do you and I’ll do me. Let see where this ends up .... Let’s leave it at that.

Dude honestly, just hearing you say you have to "investigate" seems silly. My opinion to this is, what if YOU or the other mods don't catch certain hints, miss details etc? Are you guys professional investigators? What if you're really tired that day and miss key points? I agree with meso way of doing it.

It's the same way law enforcement goes about it. Let's the source try to talk his way out. Essentially verbal diarrhea, the ones who are full of shit will try to come out with outrageous stories that make no sense. They give themselves away. The ones who do tell the truth, you can usually tell. meso also uses testing. On top of that, we have many eyes on one post, better chances of other members figuring things out instead of just the mods circle jerk corner.

Many of good sources here abide by these methods and guess what, most of the time it works amazingly. The moment one fucks up, we know about it almost instantly and are able damage control issues to the clients, us. Saves everyone money, their health and time. If our way didn't work, we wouldn't be using it and B - the sources wouldn't operate here either. So there must be something here that's beneficial to BOTH parties.

Lastly, makes you wonder why those "amazing, honored, g2g, popular" sources aren't here with the same success? :MonkaShmm: