Why MESO is tough on sources

[Akuj]

Wouldn't let me edit again.

Before I joined meso, I was lurking other forums including the one your a mod at. I saw how posts were getting deleted how mods interfered with claims against a source and then banned. This wasn't once or twice, it was constantly happening. From members who provides bloods and testing samples that they went out of their own way and pockets to provide proof that the source was bunk, under dosed or plain dirty gear. The craziest thing was that report after report these sources stayed operational supporting your forum financially. It's the main reason I never stayed there. I will say, it wasn't just your forum doing it, many others. So when I say that I didn't feel "safe" or much rather CONFIDENT in the way you guys ran things, is a big flag. Especially for those who care about what they put into their body and for those who read and try to make the best decision.

As for the topic of having experienced members that had good ethics and information, you guys did have a few fellas in that department. However, that drew me away just based on the forum daily operations. It didn't seem like you guys had the best interest in your everyday users but more so of the sources that fund the site.

Hopefully you take this as an insight and try to change that place from within if you really care about the people and facts as you say you do.

 

[MindlessWork]

Wouldn't let me edit again.

Before I joined meso, I was lurking other forums including the one your a mod at. I saw how posts were getting deleted how mods interfered with claims against a source and then banned. This wasn't once or twice, it was constantly happening. From members who provides bloods and testing samples that they went out of their own way and pockets to provide proof that the source was bunk, under dosed or plain dirty gear. The craziest thing was that report after report these sources stayed operational supporting your forum financially. It's the main reason I never stayed there. I will say, it wasn't just your forum doing it, many others. So when I say that I didn't feel "safe" or much rather CONFIDENT in the way you guys ran things, is a big flag. Especially for those who care about what they put into their body and for those who read and try to make the best decision.

As for the topic of having experienced members that had good ethics and information, you guys did have a few fellas in that department. However, that drew me away just based on the forum daily operations. It didn't seem like you guys had the best interest in your everyday users but more so of the sources that fund the site.

Hopefully you take this as an insight and try to change that place from within if you really care about the people and facts as you say you do.

Well said right there and thanks for sharing your experiences and that reinforces Meso is doing things the right way. BOP is even worse IMO.

 

[3ml]

Actually you are the one who is a retard. You keep implying there is a position but there isn't. You know what is retarded though. T-shirts with orders. Nothing like getting your lab name out there in the gyms. Great marketing strategy...if it was legal!

You know what else is retarded?? Accepting credit cards for gear, and charging sales tax on gear.

Maybe you are retarded if you can't figure that out?!?!?!?

So do you have an agenda here or just spouting off.

Who cares what they do? Why does everyone have get in peoples business like that.

 

[Jswole220]

As far as PSL “forged certs” thread goes, here’s what I have to say about that, before we hang a well documented source out to dry, let’s figure things out.
Question: who is “lab4tox” the member?
Question: How do we know he is legit or if he has a a agenda?
Answer: We do not know who he is.
or if he has a a agenda.

Now is the time we gather facts and proof of claims for both sides. Believing one unproven post after the next is the equivalent of Putting All your eggs in one basket, it’s foolish. I won’t do that and neither should anyone else.

The take away is nothing has happened atm, other than accusations, so hold off on the judgments

See the issue with how you’d like to handle that situation is that it doesn’t work. When we give sources the benefit of doubt shit goes south and I think that’s obvious in the thread where I posted the bad jano reports on praetorian. Especially with a lab like psl look how many mods are reps. The lab is given the benefit of doubt, all the customers rally because they don’t want to believe their lab they use would do this and almost always the issue is lost in time. Since I’ve been a member on asf I can’t count on two hands how many issues pop up and go unresolved. I’ve seen mods ban people before because they questioned the lab they rep for so the mod claims sponsor bashing and simply bans the “ problem”
Meso isn’t perfect but the system here certainly works better than any other board. This is a harm reduction forum and a fourm for the members. The source should be the one who has to answer the questions and explain everything not the person posting or now it seems to be the testers we have are not reliable when ever it’s convenient to say so. I’d be willing to bet that the results I posted go unresolved and lost in time. How is the solution to let the same rep who blatantly lied about me, said he would back up his claims but wasn’t able to back up anything because they are flat out lies, acted unprofessional, has already been banned for character issues and scamming members out of Xanax, yet somehow the solution is let him arrange behind the scenes to have further testing done? I’ve also had a handful of mods who were interested in testing the product I still have that’s sealed yet not one has actually followed through yet or responded back about doing so.

 

[lifter6973]

I think the Praetorian issue will not disappear unless somehow your results are not confirmed by other tests. Even if that happens, there is enough doubt that most people in the know would probably shy away from them now meaning if they came back they would likely have to rebrand or give out a bunch of free gear.
PSL on the other hand, I agree- whether it is Z or PSL, so many mods rep them. That one has a better chance of getting swept under the rug regardless of what the outcome is.

See the issue with how you’d like to handle that situation is that it doesn’t work. When we give sources the benefit of doubt shit goes south and I think that’s obvious in the thread where I posted the bad jano reports on praetorian. Especially with a lab like psl look how many mods are reps. The lab is given the benefit of doubt, all the customers rally because they don’t want to believe their lab they use would do this and almost always the issue is lost in time. Since I’ve been a member on asf I can’t count on two hands how many issues pop up and go unresolved. I’ve seen mods ban people before because they questioned the lab they rep for so the mod claims sponsor bashing and simply bans the “ problem”
Meso isn’t perfect but the system here certainly works better than any other board. This is a harm reduction forum and a fourm for the members. The source should be the one who has to answer the questions and explain everything not the person posting or now it seems to be the testers we have are not reliable when ever it’s convenient to say so. I’d be willing to bet that the results I posted go unresolved and lost in time. How is the solution to let the same rep who blatantly lied about me, said he would back up his claims but wasn’t able to back up anything because they are flat out lies, acted unprofessional, has already been banned for character issues and scamming members out of Xanax, yet somehow the solution is let him arrange behind the scenes to have further testing done? I’ve also had a handful of mods who were interested in testing the product I still have that’s sealed yet not one has actually followed through yet or responded back about doing so.

 

[Test_Subject]

How is the solution to let the same rep who blatantly lied about me, said he would back up his claims but wasn’t able to back up anything because they are flat out lies, acted unprofessional, has already been banned for character issues and scamming members out of Xanax, yet somehow the solution is let him arrange behind the scenes to have further testing done? I’ve also had a handful of mods who were interested in testing the product I still have that’s sealed yet not one has actually followed through yet or responded back about doing so.

"Money," is the short answer.

They'll let the source send in some gear that they themselves hand picked, it will (of course) pass with flying colours and the source will get a "GTG."

The mods who offered to send in your sealed gear never had any intention of following through. They said what they said to give the appearance of following up. They know full well that hardly anyone is going to check to see if they actually did it.

Even if they did by some miracle actually agree to send it in, do you really trust them to not fuck around?

That's the issue with boards with a financial incentive to not rock the boat: you can't trust the motive behind anything that they do.

 

[Sp2.0]

The rep over there said he won't accept the results of @Jswole220
Sealed gear sent to someone else.

Apparently he's having members who already have the gear on hand send it in and get costs covered.

 

[MindlessWork]

The rep over there said he won't accept the results of @Jswole220
Sealed gear sent to someone else.

Apparently he's having members who already have the gear on hand send it in and get costs covered.

Figures. The rep wants to be the one handling it, apparently.

 

[Test_Subject]

The rep over there said he won't accept the results of @Jswole220
Sealed gear sent to someone else.

Apparently he's having members who already have the gear on hand send it in and get costs covered.

The fact that the rep gets to choose which results are acceptable or not really says all that there is to say.

 

[Silentlemon1011]

Would you believe there was a rumor going around about 10 months ago that the boards owner, myself, and @StanfordPharma were trafficking narcotics to pay our way around here. My good reputation still hasn't recovered.

Here is a link to a bust about 6yrs ago. Eurochem, psl and uncle z all in one police blog.....EuroPharmacies - Steroid UGL largest ever busted in state of Indiana

Also, I dont think anyone with a fucking brain believed that bullshit people made up about you.

Was just some hatred for you calling out the TGI nonsense.

 

[Jswole220]

The rep over there said he won't accept the results of @Jswole220
Sealed gear sent to someone else.

Apparently he's having members who already have the gear on hand send it in and get costs covered.

He’s being selective in who he picks though. I won’t say the guys name but I had someone pm me hear saying that he reached out to custom to have his product tested without any response. He has already brought up his concern about the product so of course custom doesn’t want to go near his product. Why isn’t this guy a good person to arrange to send out samples for? He’s a recent customer and even better he’s not satisfied with is product. If custom and praetorian are so confident the product is good this guy would be perfect right? Show him and everyone else the product is what they say it is.

 

[B Ware]

He’s being selective in who he picks though. I won’t say the guys name but I had someone pm me hear saying that he reached out to custom to have his product tested without any response. He has already brought up his concern about the product so of course custom doesn’t want to go near his product. Why isn’t this guy a good person to arrange to send out samples for? He’s a recent customer and even better he’s not satisfied with is product. If custom and praetorian are so confident the product is good this guy would be perfect right? Show him and everyone else the product is what they say it is.

So Source’s, Reps and Mods get to decide who does testing and who’s test results will hold merit?

 

[Sp2.0]

He’s being selective in who he picks though. I won’t say the guys name but I had someone pm me hear saying that he reached out to custom to have his product tested without any response. He has already brought up his concern about the product so of course custom doesn’t want to go near his product. Why isn’t this guy a good person to arrange to send out samples for? He’s a recent customer and even better he’s not satisfied with is product. If custom and praetorian are so confident the product is good this guy would be perfect right? Show him and everyone else the product is what they say it is.

I'm sure you're correct on selection. I don't trust any of what's happening with that. Your tests, the low bloods and the way that guy handled your results makes it pretty simple to stay away.

 

[Jswole220]

So Source’s, Reps and Mods get to decide who does testing and who’s test results will hold merit?

Crazy right. All of a sudden I’m not trustworthy and dishonest lol how convenient. You’ll see them mention I’ve “caused problems “ in the past aka I’ve been vocal about shit sources and shady things they have done with evidence.

 

[Jswole220]

I'm sure you're correct on selection. I don't trust any of what's happening with that. Your tests, the low bloods and the way that guy handled your results makes it pretty simple to stay away.

What’s mind blowing though is if you read some of the thread yet theirs a handful of members who are standing by the source and swear I must have did something to tamper with the results or jano is a fraud. Some of them will mention prior bloods that were posted in range and a fucking lab max test someone did on their anavar lmao. The guy on the anavar claims his strength is rapidly increasing and he’s packed on 10lbs in 2 weeks. I like me some good var but that certainly doesn’t sound like var at all. 10lbs in 2 weeks? From var? For someone who has already ran multiple cycles? Call me crazy but I’m going to go ahead and say that’s not var. unless this dude has elite genetics like the top Olympia athletes var isn’t packing on 10lbs of mass in 2 weeks on 95% or higher of people who lift and take anabolics.

 

[janoshik]

Crazy right. All of a sudden I’m not trustworthy and dishonest lol how convenient. You’ll see them mention I’ve “caused problems “ in the past aka I’ve been vocal about shit sources and shady things they have done with evidence.

And I'm acceptable only when good results are posted
Crazy indeed.

 

[Sp2.0]

What’s mind blowing though is if you read some of the thread yet theirs a handful of members who are standing by the source and swear I must have did something to tamper with the results or jano is a fraud. Some of them will mention prior bloods that were posted in range and a fucking lab max test someone did on their anavar lmao. The guy on the anavar claims his strength is rapidly increasing and he’s packed on 10lbs in 2 weeks. I like me some good var but that certainly doesn’t sound like var at all. 10lbs in 2 weeks? From var? For someone who has already ran multiple cycles? Call me crazy but I’m going to go ahead and say that’s not var. unless this dude has elite genetics like the top Olympia athletes var isn’t packing on 10lbs of mass in 2 weeks on 95% or higher of people who lift and take anabolics.

Its def a night and day difference from there to here on the way things are done. Riding with a source over a member and testing doesn't surprise me when they're reps but seeing members do it is pretty lame.

 

[QueenBee]

What’s mind blowing though is if you read some of the thread yet theirs a handful of members who are standing by the source and swear I must have did something to tamper with the results or jano is a fraud. Some of them will mention prior bloods that were posted in range and a fucking lab max test someone did on their anavar lmao. The guy on the anavar claims his strength is rapidly increasing and he’s packed on 10lbs in 2 weeks. I like me some good var but that certainly doesn’t sound like var at all. 10lbs in 2 weeks? From var? For someone who has already ran multiple cycles? Call me crazy but I’m going to go ahead and say that’s not var. unless this dude has elite genetics like the top Olympia athletes var isn’t packing on 10lbs of mass in 2 weeks on 95% or higher of people who lift and take anabolics.

Sounds like dbol. One time I had ordered Var from Skirrox and it turned out to be dbol.

 

[hfo369]

Its def a night and day difference from there to here on the way things are done. Riding with a source over a member and testing doesn't surprise me when they're reps but seeing members do it is pretty lame.

The reason or thought process behind the “members” siding with sources is because those members spent a lot of hard earned money on the gear and don’t want to admit they may have been screwed also

 

[Test_Subject]

The reason or thought process behind the “members” siding with sources is because those members spent a lot of hard earned money on the gear and don’t want to admit they may have been screwed also

The sunk cost fallacy.

But I suspect that the answer is not so simple. Free or discounted gear tends to make people develop a taste for boot polish, I've noticed. Judging by some of the vitriol directed at people who post actual scientific testing, I'd be more inclined to believe that certain members are trying to protect their own interests.