Why not use slin pins only?

[one5onecc]

Unless fat or constantly pinning multiple ccs at once, why not just use slin pins?

Just drew and injected with a 27g slin pin and it actually took less time/effort than attaching 21g changing to 27g. Surprised at how fast the oil filled up and was painless even though the needle went through the rubber stopper. Was definitely less smooth going in muscle than fresh pin but nonetheless was painless.

I can't see any reason to doing the whole switching needle thing unless you are not lean enough, have thick oils, or are pinning 7+CCs a week.

Unless I am missing something, infection risk etc Is there any drawback to this? I mean diabetics draw and shoot with slin pins going through rubber stoppers all the time.

 

[Deezznutzz]

It's okay for trt but when you start doing bigger Cycles it's not really that good. When you start to pin 3 or 4 cc's of oil a week it's not very optimal because you're going to get a lot of shallow Im /Sub-Q leakage at times. After a while your delts are going to start getting the alien heads or your ass is going to start burning LOL. 1 cc with a slin pin in the VG is doable but it gets old after a while cuz you're going to get the leakage sometimes.it's just not going to absorb as well as if you used a 25 gauge 1 inch needle.

 

[Type-IIx]

I can give you 4 reasons.

First, generally only UGL gear is low viscosity enough to pull it off with, and that'll vary by solvent use, compound (concentration, drug) & source (manufacturing processes).

Second, you need a relatively longer needle length to get deep into the muscle, and unless specifically designed for it (e.g., Xyosted), gear isn't intended for subcutaneous application. Yes, this is modulated by body fat %.

Third, infection risk is greater without the use of a drawing & separate administration needle.

Fourth, this doesn't permit high volumes of oil to be administered.

 

[lukiss96]

Never had any problems with multiple steroids and carrier oils thick, thin, water or whatever...

Only thing that sucks is time it takes to draw.
Second thing as already mentioned limited with 1ml injections per area.

 

[AlwaysHungry]

On TRT I pull my testosterone with 22g needle and then I back load the slin pin so it's fresh.
It works great for me because I have almost no fat on my glutes however I push the slin needle "hard" to go as deep in my muscle as I can no problems I do that for a year.

Previous years I had more fat on my glutes and when I pinned with slin needle it would leak and it wasn't a good thing.

 

[juicebro]

I do. Most of my gear is made with MCT oil so it goes easily through a 31g slin pin. I pin my quads with slins everyday. Never had any leaking out. It's not possible if you stretch the skin a bit before jabbing with the other hand.

I draw 4 days worth of gear into a 5ml syringe from multiple vials and just backfill a slin pin every morning. Quick and easy

 

[Manbearpig2]

I use 22 gauge to draw up oil and 30g 1 inch to inject. The 30 gauge are pricy since they’re a rare size. Once I run out I might just switch to 25 or 27 gauge because the 30 does take a while to inject. Not a huge deal right now since I only inject twice a week.

 

[Deleted member 127229]

I can give you 4 reasons.

First, generally only UGL gear is low viscosity enough to pull it off with, and that'll vary by solvent use, compound (concentration, drug) & source (manufacturing processes).

Second, you need a relatively longer needle length to get deep into the muscle, and unless specifically designed for it (e.g., Xyosted), gear isn't intended for subcutaneous application. Yes, this is modulated by body fat %.

Third, infection risk is greater without the use of a drawing & separate administration needle.

Fourth, this doesn't permit high volumes of oil to be administered.

Also sterile abscesses more commonly occur during sub Q leaks because the oil is absorbed much much slower than IM. Sub Q leaks are common using 1/2 needles, Even in lean parts of tje body like delts

 

[Rido]

Also sterile abscesses more commonly occur during sub Q leaks because the oil is absorbed much much slower than IM. Sub Q leaks are common using 1/2 needles, Even in lean parts of tje body like delts

is this in general or on weight lifters with alot less BF?

 

[Mac11wildcat]

I draw with 25g 1’ needles and administer with 29g slins. You have to be lean enough to do so, but I have far less issue with PIP this way. Not recommended for everyone, but it can work fine.

 

[one5onecc]

Third, infection risk is greater without the use of a drawing & separate administration needle.

Is this a real concern if the rubber top is swiped with alcohol swab?

Since diabetics, peptide users, dont switch needles etc.

 

[RzSco]

I draw with 21g and pin with 26g... still takes about a minute to push 1cc with the 26g. Pulling would be even slower probably.

Swapping the needle takes 2 seconds.

 

[Rido]

Is this a real concern if the rubber top is swiped with alcohol swab?

Since diabetics, peptide users, dont switch needles etc.

Higher risk even though the risk if done properly is miniscule.(in my opinion)

 

[Clyde]

Why not use slin pins only?

Why use slin pins for any oil based steroid? Seems the drawbacks outnumber and perceived advantage.

I don't feel a fresh 1" 25g going into the muscle, and it's compatible with a common 3cc luer-lock syringes. Draw with a 1/2" 20g, install a new 25g for injection, and use the compound as intended. Also no possibility of injecting stopper material into the muscle.

I don't get this whole sub-q oil injection fad. Seems to me this would cause more pain post injection than an im injection, which is generally painless. The pain nerve endings are more concentrated in the skin AFAIK. I'm not sure there are any pain nerve ending in muscle tissue.

Are slin pins for oil used out of fear of self im injections?

 

[Mac11wildcat]

Why use slin pins for any oil based steroid? Seems the drawbacks outnumber and perceived advantage.

I don't feel a fresh 1" 25g going into the muscle, and it's compatible with a common 3cc luer-lock syringes. Draw with a 1/2" 20g, install a new 25g for injection, and use the compound as intended. Also no possibility of injecting stopper material into the muscle.

I don't get this whole sub-q oil injection fad. Seems to me this would cause more pain post injection than an im injection, which is generally painless. The pain nerve endings are more concentrated in the skin AFAIK. I'm not sure there are any pain nerve ending in muscle tissue.

Are slin pins for oil used out of fear of self im injections?

This makes the broad assumption that .5” isn’t enough to make IM…which it certainly is.

 

[Clyde]

This makes the broad assumption that .5” isn’t enough to make IM…which it certainly is.

True, I was assuming sub-q with slin pins.

 

[Mac11wildcat]

True, I was assuming sub-q with slin pins.

Agreed sub-q seems silly AF

 

[LowDoseNatty]

I use an 18g to draw up the oils I’ll be pinning for the week, pop all the plungers out of my 29g, and back fill them to my desired amount, pop the plungers back in. Now I have 29g slin pins with the cap still on the needle all loaded up and ready to pin

 

[LowDoseNatty]

Also to add, in places I’m not super lean like glutes, I bury the needle in. Like once it’s in, I’ll push down so it’s getting even deeper into the tissue. Never had any lumps or issues doing it this way

 

[Deleted member 127229]

is this in general or on weight lifters with alot less BF?

In general