Why there almost certainly is No God!!

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And of course, The Institute for Creation Research (ICR) is a Christian apologetics institute in Dallas, Texas that specializes in education, research, and media promotion of creation science and Biblical creationism. The ICR adopts the Bible as an inerrant and literal documentary of scientific and historical fact as well as religious and moral truths, and espouses a Young Earth creationist worldview.[3] It rejects evolutionary biology, which it views as a corrupting moral and social influence and threat to religious belief.[4] The ICR was formed by Henry M. Morris in 1972 following an organizational split with the Creation Science Research Center (CSRC).[5]

Its work in the field of creation science has been rejected by the scientific community, but has been significant in shaping anti-evolutionist thought in the United States by introducing creation science through churches and religious schools, and by engaging in public debates against supporters of evolution.[6][7] The ICR also offers non-certified graduate level programs in Biblical Apologetics, including a minor in Creation Research.[8] In 1992, the ICR started the Museum of Creation and Earth History and hosted adventure tours, but it was sold to Life and Light Foundation in 2008.[9]
 
So, Mr Pericles (right out of college) "your resume says you have a non-certified graduate level degree in Biblical Apologetics, and a BA in Creation Research."

Don't call us, we will call you. Bu Buy.

More seriously, the Bible and the Quoran are just pathways to a higher power.

God knows that most people do not have the requisite intellectual abilities to understand Quantum Physics, so he had some people write out a book that was massively simplified to explain how we got here.

They are all pathways to God.
 
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Although there are inherent errors in carbon dating that could extend over a period of
several million years, the notion that earth or the universe more closely approximate an age of several thousand years is utterly absurd.

I've no doubt the evolutionists have exaggerated their time table as have the creationists contracted theirs the truth lies some where in between, IMO.

Jim

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What does one have to do with the other? The Second Law of Thermodynamics ONLY refers to a completely closed (isolated) system. The world and the process of evolution does not exist as a closed system. Your question is garbage and does not make sense.

More eloquently put then I can do: Five Major Misconceptions about Evolution

By the way Stretch....the link I provided has a complete list of references to scientific papers published in peer-reviewed journals supporting each argument.

I will admit when I've been wrong about something, and if I accept something without doing any real research, and it's exposed, I won't just slink off and not acknowledge it. I'd be lying if I said it wasn't embarrassing to go and read about the 2nd law of thermodynamics and be like "wtf?:confused:" LOL.

The security to admit when wrong is derived from the knowledge that I haven't blatantly accepted everything with this topic. I have researched both sides with an open mind, and still arrived at my conclusion.

You're spot on with the 2nd law of thermodynamics stuff. I demonstrated a complete lack of understanding of the concepts involved.

Every argument that I've raised has a rebuttal by evolutionist, then that rebuttal has a rebuttal from a creationist. There are scientific minds on both sides of the debate, I could supply a list of 100's of scientists, from physicists to biologists who support the Bible's account of creation.

Every honest evolutionist will admit that there are PERPLEXING issues with their theory. I don't know if you have actually researched this topic before, or if you simply googled and came back with Mark Isaak's stuff, but if it's a topic you understand well, you should know what these unexplainable parts of evolution are, and yet you choose to accept the evolutionary theory out of faith because all that you have seen teaches you to accept that which you have not seen.

I am curious, being a man of science, where do you believe the primordial atom came from? And secondly, how about the beginning of life? (law of biogenesis)
 
I will admit when I've been wrong about something, and if I accept something without doing any real research, and it's exposed, I won't just slink off and not acknowledge it. I'd be lying if I said it wasn't embarrassing to go and read about the 2nd law of thermodynamics and be like "wtf?:confused:" LOL.

The security to admit when wrong is derived from the knowledge that I haven't blatantly accepted everything with this topic. I have researched both sides with an open mind, and still arrived at my conclusion.

You're spot on with the 2nd law of thermodynamics stuff. I demonstrated a complete lack of understanding of the concepts involved.

Every argument that I've raised has a rebuttal by evolutionist, then that rebuttal has a rebuttal from a creationist. There are scientific minds on both sides of the debate, I could supply a list of 100's of scientists, from physicists to biologists who support the Bible's account of creation.

Every honest evolutionist will admit that there are PERPLEXING issues with their theory. I don't know if you have actually researched this topic before, or if you simply googled and came back with Mark Isaak's stuff, but if it's a topic you understand well, you should know what these unexplainable parts of evolution are, and yet you choose to accept the evolutionary theory out of faith because all that you have seen teaches you to accept that which you have not seen.

I am curious, being a man of science, where do you believe the primordial atom came from? And secondly, how about the beginning of life? (law of biogenesis)

Nice post Stretch....first I'd say I have no doubts evolution exists and that the current concept is very close to the "truth"....there maybe slight inconsistencies in the details, slight misunderstandings and while it's not completely correct the fact that it isn't doesn't discredit it as a whole IMO.

The primordial atom? Well we go back to the Big Bang....the next logical question is what preceded the BB? Who or what was responsible for the BB? My answer is I don't know....but's it's fussy logic to say since we don't know who was responsible for the BB then Christianity (or any religion or alternative theory) must be correct.

As for biogenesis....again there is science that shows conditions on earth where capable of spontaneously producing the building blocks of amino acids and nucleic acids. Does it take some "imagination" to believe life spontaneously formed? Sure it does. Does that mean all of evolution is incorrect and the Bible is correct? Not at all.
 
Stretch: "There are scientific minds on both sides of the debate, I could supply a list of 100's of scientists, from physicists to biologists who support the Bible's account of creation". No, you can't because Humphries is one of only a handful of researchers who makes an argument that 100% is refuted by the facts. He is not taken seriously w/ in the academic community.

The paper you posted was an unvetted rant based in neither evidence or logic. Academic journals usually have a 3 person editorial crew that sifts through arguments. Held up to the light, Humphries theories collapse in on themselves.

However, in regards to you, just keep doing what you are doing, and being what you are being. You are a good person, and that is the bottom line, IMO.

If your religious beliefs are what power your behavior and reasonableness, then I support them 100%.
 
No, you can't because Humphries is one of only a handful of researchers who makes an argument that 100% is refuted by the facts. He is not taken seriously w/ in the academic community.


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Extrapolated over a period of several BILLION years carbon dating has an accuracy that approximates the 95th percentile.

Now how many million years is that? You do the math, lol!
 
You all debating Darwin and the age of the universe are wasting your time.
What you ought to be debating is how many angels can fit on the head of a pin.
LOL.
 
I'd like to point out while this thread definitely takes some crazy turns for the worst at times my opinion about the benefits of religion, although different than Stretch's, are in fact evolving. See....evolution at it's finest :)
 
The formation of anything close to functional amino acids and phospholipids to form a solitary cell wall or membrane has not been accomplished in any lab.

This is in spite of endless efforts by evolutionist researchers to "prove" this mechanism was responsible for the "beginnings of life" as protein coils, prions, viruses, bacterial sub-species etc.
Indeed as Idster has mentioned a vivid imagination is required for even top scientists to "explain the unexplainable" (cell and multi-cell formation) which IMO creates a HUGE void within evolutionary theory and enables creationists, like myself, to believe a deity was ultimately responsible for the genesis of LIFE.

Jim
 
Well I was very careful in my wording of this "...again there is science that shows conditions on earth where capable of spontaneously producing the building blocks of amino acids and nucleic acids".

Note I did not say they made AA and NA in the lab. Just the precursor that would be needed to make AA and NA. :)
 
The formation of anything close to functional amino acids and phospholipids to form a solitary cell wall or membrane has not been accomplished in any lab.

This is in spite of endless efforts by evolutionist researchers to "prove" this mechanism was responsible for the "beginnings of life" as protein coils, prions, viruses, bacterial sub-species etc.
Indeed as Idster has mentioned a vivid imagination is required for even top scientists to "explain the unexplainable" (cell and multi-cell formation) which IMO creates a HUGE void within evolutionary theory and enables creationists, like myself, to believe a deity was ultimately responsible for the genesis of LIFE.

Jim

But why does it have to be all or nothing? My problem here is creationists tend to throw out EVERYTHING even remotely described by evolution. Even if God planted the seeds the process by which those seeds grew was evolution.

As "an evolutionist" I don't discount the need for some higher power to have started it all....as I said I don't know. But I certainly don't see the bible as offering the best alternative explanation.

God may very well exist and he may have planted the seeds of life here and he very well may work his magic through evolution but that IN KNOW WAY validates ANY particular religion.

Are we really arguing Adam and Eve vs biogenesis? Not being confrontational just asking for a definition of what you mean when you say you're a creationist?
 

The original idea might have refered to the number that could dance rather than an geometrical packing concept.
I really envy those of you that derive security and comfort from your superstition. I lost that security at about the age when I learned to read farie tales, Grimms I think it was.
Under the cold light of reason isnt always the most peaceful place to exist but it does provide a concrete foundation to build upon not just for ones self but also for the rest of us.
 
The original idea might have refered to the number that could dance rather than an geometrical packing concept.
I really envy those of you that derive security and comfort from your superstition. I lost that security at about the age when I learned to read farie tales, Grimms I think it was.
Under the cold light of reason isnt always the most peaceful place to exist but it does provide a concrete foundation to build upon not just for ones self but also for the rest of us.

You can do your best to lower our beliefs to a mental crutch if you wish, you're not first, nor will you be the last.

In fact, my beliefs are the foundation for my entire life, rather than a crutch to lean on.
 
But why does it have to be all or nothing? My problem here is creationists tend to throw out EVERYTHING even remotely described by evolution. Even if God planted the seeds the process by which those seeds grew was evolution.

As "an evolutionist" I don't discount the need for some higher power to have started it all....as I said I don't know. But I certainly don't see the bible as offering the best alternative explanation.

God may very well exist and he may have planted the seeds of life here and he very well may work his magic through evolution but that IN KNOW WAY validates ANY particular religion.

Are we really arguing Adam and Eve vs biogenesis? Not being confrontational just asking for a definition of what you mean when you say you're a creationist?

If I may jump back in here, has this thread degenerated to the point that we are debating the preferences of god, if he exists?
The Big Bang is a theory of creation too. Lets leave the nature of creation up to the mathematicians and not the story tellers.
 
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Dr Larry Thaete, Molecular and Cellular Biology and Pathobiology
Dr Ker C. Thomson, Geophysics
Dr Michael Todhunter, Forest Genetics
Dr Lyudmila Tonkonog, Chemistry/Biochemistry
Dr S.H. ‘Wally’ Tow (Tow Siang Hwa), retired chairman of the Department of Obstetrics and Gynecology at the University of Singapore
Dr Royal Truman, Organic Chemistry
Dr Gerald Van Dyke, Ph.D. and Professor Emeritus in Botany, North Carolina State University
Dr Larry Vardiman, Atmospheric Science
Prof. Walter Veith, Zoology
Dr Joachim Vetter, Biology
Dr Tas Walker, Mechanical Engineering and Geology
Dr Jeremy Walter, Mechanical Engineering
Dr Keith Wanser, Physics
Dr Noel Weeks, Ancient Near-East History (also has B.Sc. in Zoology)
Dr A.J. Monty White, Chemistry/Gas Kinetics
Dr John Whitmore, Geology/Paleontology
Dr Kurt Wise, Paleontology
Dr Bryant Wood, Archaeology
Prof. Seoung-Hoon Yang, Physics
Dr Thomas (Tong Y.) Yi, Aerospace & Mechanical Engineering
Dr Ick-Dong Yoo, Genetics
Dr Sung-Hee Yoon, Biology
Dr Patrick Young, Chemistry and Materials Science
Prof. Keun Bae Yu, Geography
Dr Daiqing Yuan, Theoretical Physics
Dr Henry Zuill, Biology

What is the source for this list? It looks like a cut and paste. Who decided that they were experts in support of a Young Universe theory? Can you post a link to the articles?
 
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