Why there almost certainly is No God!!

[idmd]

I don't have a problem with God....my problem is with religion which will ultimately be interpreted by the religious as being anti-God. Here are my biggest questions and some of my thoughts (this is a sincere attempt to be constructive):

1. Do I believe there is a supreme being out there judging us day-to-day? I don't know. My brains tells me no - it just doesn't add up but like most people I like the idea of thinking there is something out there.

2. Is God the God portrayed in the Bible, Old Testament or Quran? Again, I don't know but it make more sense to me that these books where written in a time when we knew very little about science and I can understand how people in that time would try and interpret nature/science and personify that into a being. For example, they had no knowledge of gravity and the fundamental forces in physics which are responsible for the creation of the galaxies, planets, stars, etc. It seems very logical to me to attribute these phenomena to an all knowing, omnipotent power in the universe. That makes sense and I'm cool with that.

3. Are these books the literal word of God? I believe these books were written by scholarly men to not only describe the undescribable phenomena around them but also as a guide to living a good life. The Ten Commandments? Sure, I've got no problems with them - they seem very reasonable and logical. Do I have to be religious to know I shouldn't steal from people, sleep with their wives or kill people? IMO no.

4. I grew up Catholic/Episcopalian and have many Christian, Jewish, agnostic and atheist friends. I have no ill will towards any of them and we are friends because they allow me to believe what I believe and vice versa. I see the upside of religion too - like-minded people who you can connect with and be part of community - all good stuff.

5. My anger towards Stretch (who all things considered I like very much) stemmed from his need to tell me I'm wrong and I'm going to hell. Now that was my initial response but since Stretch has explained why feels that way I get it....I get his need to save me. I thought his burning house analogy was very good.

6. In the end I'm more uncertain than anything. Some of my more "hateful anti-God" remarks to Stretch were nothing more than me trying to not so eloquently get him to admit he must have some doubt...as I do. In the end I'm just not the kind of person who will commit to religion out of fear....If I ever do it will be to move towards something positive and not hide from something negative.

7. I thought Tom Hanks said it well, "Faith is a gift that I have yet to receive".

 

[smiles]

Those are good points!!! I have noticed the older generation is strick when it becomes to church, like my dad he was scared into religion and still stands behind it... My grandma forget it I just have to say yes granny, cause if she knew that my kids were not in bible study the shit would hit the fan... Lol it's crazy how it was and how it is now, knowledge is power!!!! Back to what you were saying idmd the bible and Ten Commandments are to keep us in line, when I went to collage I took socialoliogy and phychology and it opend up my eyes, it has taught me to question everything and always be optimistic... Long live socialoliogy and phychology!!!

 

[Stretch]

Those are good points!!! I have noticed the older generation is strick when it becomes to church, like my dad he was scared into religion and still stands behind it... My grandma forget it I just have to say yes granny, cause if she knew that my kids were not in bible study the shit would hit the fan... Lol it's crazy how it was and how it is now, knowledge is power!!!! Back to what you were saying idmd the bible and Ten Commandments are to keep us in line, when I went to collage I took socialoliogy and phychology and it opend up my eyes, it has taught me to question everything and always be optimistic... Long live socialoliogy and phychology!!!

Yes.

Knowledge is power. I will refrain from commenting further on that.

Sounds like you're saying you think we are in a better place now than we were back when your parents and grandparents were in the dominant demographic.

I couldn't disagree more. The downward trend in discipline and moral fiber mirrors the departure from religion IMO.

 

[smiles]

No I was getting how different it is now compared to then.... There were more people sucked into religion than there is now " Hense knowledge is power" back then you didn't do what we do know cause people were scared of going to hell, not everybody, but more so than now... I just find it funny how sucked in to religion people were back then...

 

[Stretch]

No I was getting how different it is now compared to then.... There were more people sucked into religion than there is now " Hense knowledge is power" back then you didn't do what we do know cause people were scared of going to hell, not everybody, but more so than now... I just find it funny how sucked in to religion people were back then...

And also "funny" how much stronger of a nation we had when individuals believed in personal accountability to a creator.

Coincidence I'm sure.

 

[smiles]

Yes but it was for the wrong reason fear does not make a nation stronger it just makes followers ... Look at all these country's that run by fear they don't last long,

 

[Stretch]

Yes but it was for the wrong reason fear does not make a nation stronger it just makes followers ... Look at all these country's that run by fear they don't last long,

If you think Christians are afraid of Hell..you need to go sit at Granny's feet for a few hours, because you haven't learned much from her.

 

[smiles]

I see your getting offended, its funny, I never said no spacific religion, just religion it's self and how they portrayed what was right and what was wrong... Religion goes over board with it....

 

[Stretch]

I see your getting offended, its funny, I never said no spacific religion, just religion it's self and how they portrayed what was right and what was wrong... Religion goes over board with it....

Nope. I am not offended. I am shocked at how incorrect you are about the doctrine of Christianity. My curt responses have served more to amuse myself than to argue any type of point. I attempted to defend my position and had a heated discussion with ID.

You do not have the necessary tools to illicit an emotional response from me.

I am amused that you would say knowledge is power, that is what originally caused me comment. The irony of that statement, simply overpowered my ability to stay out of the thread.

 

[smiles]

Hahaha okay, those were examples of real life sernouse showing how much religion had people scared into believing if you didn't go to church, believe in god and Jesus, also conforming with the norms of the bible you where going to hell.. /: I grew up as Christian Sunday school, bible study, but the funny thing about it was I always felt like there was no answer to anything they say... What does the other convo you had with somone have to do with this? I notice a reaction you have me with your choice of words implied that you got offended... Hmmm:/ amused by what I said is that the only part that registered after reading it? Yes knowledge is power look at how much we have evolved from say sixty to seventy years ago what they taught in schools was taught around a bible.... I'm not saying your wrong for being a Christian and believing in religion, that's your beliefs...... But me personally I don't need that to conform with the norms let alone be happy....

 

[BBC3]

Dating of beads sets new timeline for early humans

FROM THE ARTICLE....: (Thats about 40,000 years BC - BEFORE Christ)

Dating of Beads Sets New Timeline for Early Humans

Sep. 13, 2013 — An international team of researchers led by Oxford University have new dating evidence indicating when the earliest fully modern humans arrived in the Near East, the region known as the Middle East today. They have obtained the radiocarbon dates of marine shell beads found at Ksar Akil, a key archaeological site in Lebanon, which allowed them to calculate that the oldest human fossil from the same sequence of archaeological layers is 42,400-41,700 years old. This is significant because the age of the earliest fossils, directly and indirectly dated, of modern humans found in Europe is roughly similar. This latest discovery throws up intriguing new possibilities about the routes taken by the earliest modern humans out of Africa, says the study published online by the journal PLOS ONE.

The research team radiocarbon dated 20 marine shells from the top 15 metres of archaeological layers at Ksar Akil, north of Beirut. The shells were perforated, which indicates they were used as beads for body or clothes decoration by modern humans. Neanderthals, who were living in the same region before them, were not making such beads. The study confirms that the shell beads are only linked to the parts of the sequence assigned to modern humans and shows that through direct radiocarbon dating they are between 41,000-35,000 years old

 

[nuncaquite]

My problem is with religion, I have read a lot about it and watch years of documentaries on Jesus and god.... Yes Jesus was a rea man they say he was born on a virgin birth, but there is no concert evidence that it happen except what some people say and I found out that a lot of it misleading and far from the truth, rape was very common in those days the only thing a women had good enough to give was her virginity.... Still to this day it is like this over there, that would be a reason why it was a so called virgin birth because if she told she was raped she would of been outcasted and possibly killed.... Check out topdocomentery films it's awsome you will learn a lot from it it truly has everything that has been documented... I'm not saying anybody beliefs are wrong cause they have used religion to get people to conform with the Norma of society for thousands of years..... I believe there is more to the story than what is told....

Bro, no disrespect intended. Ive seen a lot of this world. One thing this experience has taught me. DOCUMENTARIES ARE OFTEN FULL OF CRAP.
Just enough truth mixed in to have some credibility. They are mostly entertainment, propaganda, or both. Pro or con Jesus, anyone, anything, or anywhere.
Not saying that they are not informative. Just not always credible.
I here so many people now say "I only watch educational or history television"
Probably better than watching the other tv crap. But at the same time, I doubt they are getting any smarter. I guess they feel better about their couch time if watching a documentary.

 

[idmd]

Bro, no disrespect intended. Ive seen a lot of this world. One thing this experience has taught me. DOCUMENTARIES ARE OFTEN FULL OF CRAP.
Just enough truth mixed in to have some credibility. They are mostly entertainment, propaganda, or both. Pro or con Jesus, anyone, anything, or anywhere.
Not saying that they are not informative. Just not always credible.
I here so many people now say "I only watch educational or history television"
Probably better than watching the other tv crap. But at the same time, I doubt they are getting any smarter. I guess they feel better about their couch time if watching a documentary.

I've never watched a "good" documentary that didn't have an agenda.....

 

[smiles]

Your excatly right about that... My bad I should of mentioned that... There is a lot of info though, but like you said you have to weed out the bull from the good..... Same here, that's funny I have never thought of it like that, but I see how that would be a reason to justife being a couch potato.... The shitty thing about it even education books have there altered to be up to par for the board of education... Now I don't know if they do it in unversity. But at my cc and my soc. teacher had a lot of Darwin's matieral in the books... That mans is crazy but really smart... Dam that was a awsome terms....

 

[smiles]

I saw a few on that's what also started me to question because evolution seems more logical compared to the what religion brings to the table... I used to believe in god to an extent, but when you are asking questions and they can't be answered, or gets answered by also ever sense I experienced my near death or how ever you call it, I check out, but luckily my subcon was strong enough to kick start my heart by using the last major gilt I had weighing on my mind, cause of how my grandma had to see me before she went... She seen me getting into fights out side my house and just straight loosing my mind I tried so hard to hide it, but I was to far gone and when she went it made me feel like a peace of shit cause and led me into a down hill spiral filled with guilt and rage..... At least I'm here now and it taught me a lot and I never used a crutch to get me back up I just did it, not saying that shit is easy...

 

[Stretch]

I saw a few on that's what also started me to question because evolution seems more logical compared to the what religion brings to the table... I used to believe in god to an extent, but when you are asking questions and they can't be answered, or gets answered by also ever sense I experienced my near death or how ever you call it, I check out, but luckily my subcon was strong enough to kick start my heart by using the last major gilt I had weighing on my mind, cause of how my grandma had to see me before she went... She seen me getting into fights out side my house and just straight loosing my mind I tried so hard to hide it, but I was to far gone and when she went it made me feel like a peace of shit cause and led me into a down hill spiral filled with guilt and rage..... At least I'm here now and it taught me a lot and I never used a crutch to get me back up I just did it, not saying that shit is easy...

Evolution seems more logical??? Did your sociololololology teacher teach you that?? In collage? Mr, knowledge is power?

I couldn't take it anymore, and yes I am ashamed for pointing it out

This link contains some good info for BBC to read as well.

SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE FOR A 10,000 YEAR OLD UNIVERSE
http://www.icr.org/i/pdf/imp/imp-384.pdf

 

[smiles]

Haahah no you smart it was from you the god fearig Christian.... Thank you for asking though.....

 

[Stretch]

Haahah no you smart it was from you the god fearig Christian.... Thank you for asking though.....

Well played. [)] I'm glad you laughed it off.

The obvious logical flaws with the evolutionary theory is what led me to the decision to consider the possibility that the Bible was true originally. So, it's funny you would say evolution is MORE logical. Evolution is biggest joke science has ever tried to play on us.

On par with the greek philosophers who KNEW Atlas was holding the earth.
The Chinese mystics who KNEW it was sitting on a spider.
The barbers who would "let" your bad blood drain away.

SCIENCE IS NOT GOD. Science changes every couple hundred years, and in time, science will change again to explain away the lack of fossil evidence for Science's current theory.

 

[idmd]

Well played. [)] I'm glad you laughed it off.

The obvious logical flaws with the evolutionary theory is what led me to the decision to consider the possibility that the Bible was true originally. So, it's funny you would say evolution is MORE logical. Evolution is biggest joke science has ever tried to play on us.

On par with the greek philosophers who KNEW Atlas was holding the earth.
The Chinese mystics who KNEW it was sitting on a spider.
The barbers who would "let" your bad blood drain away.

SCIENCE IS NOT GOD. Science changes every couple hundred years, and in time, science will change again to explain away the lack of fossil evidence for Science's current theory.

Science does a fairly good job of describing the universe around us most of the time and some of the time it's not so great. It will always be made up of changing/morphing concepts. Some believe this is a weakness of science....I think it's one of it's greatest strengths. Many ideas in science are approximation or "mostly" correct or a pretty damn good approximation but that doesn't detract from it's usefulness in everyday life.

 

[smiles]

Hahaha you too that was funny... Have you ever chose to question what you have learned from the bible? You are right, I should of said this in the beginning, IMO evolution and science has answered more questions also with personal exsperiance has lead me to believe that evolution is how this all happened.... Okay I'm gonna go get into a little more indept about the time I checked out.... I didn't see god or any magical being, yes you do feel at peace... The first thing heart stops, hear starts going out along with eyesight, tunnel vision, than your hearing is the first to go than your eye sight.... It went dark than white, bright as fucking white like when stuey was stuck in Meg's anus, if you have seen the episod you will know what I'm talking about.... Than I seen my grandma, just like a clearish white out line but I could see her face... Then she went into my chest and I came back to my ex pounding on my chest screaming, she said I was gone for while, wich temperory brain damage did happen, not that I couldn't walk or talk, but for awhile my memory was fucked beyond what I was doing could of done for the few years that I was doing it..... Now going back to me seeing my grandma yes she had just passed away, but IMO I believe that it was my subcon that was creating those images as a last resort attempt to save its self before the brain compleatly died....