Why there almost certainly is No God!!

I my self done believe in god. I was raised in a very religious catholic family. I was the only one that got away from it. Religion was used for the longest time I hold power over people. They would ban science and only people that where allowed to study such a thing where people of the church. I'm guessing that would be for some reason. Also I would have to agree that religion puts a lot of fear into such as hell so you won't try to break away. Science has done so many thing. I think that Christian, Islamic, ect... Will one day be seen as like the Greek gods. Just a made up man story. Also what makes your religious believe correct and the others wrong. It's a never ending battle. Science my brothers
 
Here is my opinion: Atheists cannot prove there is no God, and Judeo Christians cannot prove there is a God. However, IMO if you look at the billions of variables that had to take place in order for the Earth to be what it is, then that suggests that there is a God.

Furthermore, Humans need to live on a spiritual basis. I let God do the driving, and I just hang out in the passenger seat until it is time for me to do the next right thing.

I try and turn my will over to him. While I cannot prove unequivocally that God exists, I have proven time and again that I need my higher power.

Thus belief in God is practical and wise. I pray and meditate to bring myself into allignment w/ his will. Before I led my life this ^ way, I was a nasty, violent drunk and drug addict (16. 5 years clean and sober).

In regards to evolution, the evidence is overwhelming that the world was not created in 7 days, it was millions of years.

Having said that, I believe that the Earth was created via evolution. I also believe that God is loving, and not one to throw a good person into the lake of fire just because they did not believe in Christs' role in all of this^.
 
I would agree with your conclusion.

The Bible says; to be absent from the body is to be present with God. So, I don't believe seeing your Grandma was anything but a misfiring, near-death brain.

Hahaha you too that was funny... Have you ever chose to question what you have learned from the bible? You are right, I should of said this in the beginning, IMO evolution and science has answered more questions also with personal exsperiance has lead me to believe that evolution is how this all happened.... Okay I'm gonna go get into a little more indept about the time I checked out.... I didn't see god or any magical being, yes you do feel at peace... The first thing heart stops, hear starts going out along with eyesight, tunnel vision, than your hearing is the first to go than your eye sight.... It went dark than white, bright as fucking white like when stuey was stuck in Meg's anus, if you have seen the episod you will know what I'm talking about.... Than I seen my grandma, just like a clearish white out line but I could see her face... Then she went into my chest and I came back to my ex pounding on my chest screaming, she said I was gone for while, wich temperory brain damage did happen, not that I couldn't walk or talk, but for awhile my memory was fucked beyond what I was doing could of done for the few years that I was doing it..... Now going back to me seeing my grandma yes she had just passed away, but IMO I believe that it was my subcon that was creating those images as a last resort attempt to save its self before the brain compleatly died....
 
I my self done believe in god. I was raised in a very religious catholic family. I was the only one that got away from it. Religion was used for the longest time I hold power over people. They would ban science and only people that where allowed to study such a thing where people of the church. I'm guessing that would be for some reason. Also I would have to agree that religion puts a lot of fear into such as hell so you won't try to break away. Science has done so many thing. I think that Christian, Islamic, ect... Will one day be seen as like the Greek gods. Just a made up man story. Also what makes your religious believe correct and the others wrong. It's a never ending battle. Science my brothers

The catholic church is one, small, horrible sect of Christianity. Responsible for more deaths, and damage to the cause of Christ than any other religion. Most of their damage is done by the fact that non-believers view them as Christians, with their "bingo nights", "casino nights", and alcohol consumption within church they have hurt the testimony of true Christians (defined as Christ-like individuals) for years and years.

The catholic church also banned the translation of the Bible into more common languages. They fought to keep all copies of the Bible in the antiquated and uncommonly spoken Latin for years. Therefore their actions to keep science from being studied, should come as no surprise.
 
In regards to evolution, the evidence is overwhelming that the world was not created in 7 days, it was millions of years.

Having said that, I believe that the Earth was created via evolution. I also believe that God is loving, and not one to throw a good person into the lake of fire just because they did not believe in Christs' role in all of this^.

Did you look at any of evidence for a young earth which was posted.

Read it.

Then come tell me about the millions of years.
 
[“Darwin’s Dilemma”] Rates of Phenotypic and Genomic Evolution during the Cambrian Explosion

Highlights
• The Cambrian explosion (evolution’s “big bang”) is compatible with Darwinian evolution
• Anatomical and genetic evolution occurred 5 times faster during the early Cambrian
• Bayesian methods can infer evolutionary rates in deep time, using living taxa
• This study concerns arthropods, but the results are likely applicable to most of life

Lee Michael SY, Soubrier J, Edgecombe Gregory D. Rates of Phenotypic and Genomic Evolution during the Cambrian Explosion. Current biology : CB. Current Biology - Rates of Phenotypic and Genomic Evolution during the Cambrian Explosion

The near-simultaneous appearance of most modern animal body plans (phyla) ?530 million years ago during the Cambrian explosion is strong evidence for a brief interval of rapid phenotypic and genetic innovation, yet the exact speed and nature of this grand adaptive radiation remain debated. Crucially, rates of morphological evolution in the past (i.e., in ancestral lineages) can be inferred from phenotypic differences among living organisms—just as molecular evolutionary rates in ancestral lineages can be inferred from genetic divergences.

We here employed Bayesian and maximum likelihood phylogenetic clock methods on an extensive anatomical and genomic data set for arthropods, the most diverse phylum in the Cambrian and today. Assuming an Ediacaran origin for arthropods, phenotypic evolution was ?4 times faster, and molecular evolution ?5.5 times faster, during the Cambrian explosion compared to all subsequent parts of the Phanerozoic. These rapid evolutionary rates are robust to assumptions about the precise age of arthropods. Surprisingly, these fast early rates do not change substantially even if the radiation of arthropods is compressed entirely into the Cambrian (?542 mega-annum [Ma]) or telescoped into the Cryogenian (?650 Ma).

The fastest inferred rates are still consistent with evolution by natural selection and with data from living organisms, potentially resolving “Darwin’s dilemma.” However, evolution during the Cambrian explosion was unusual (compared to the subsequent Phanerozoic) in that fast rates were present across many lineages.
 
Did you look at any of evidence for a young earth which was posted.

Read it.

Then come tell me about the millions of years.

Don't take this the wrong way....being a dick to you about your religion is one thing but I feel no need to hold back here.

You're "proof" for a young universe IS FUCKING RETARDED!! We can quibble about how many billions of years old the the universe is but not whether it's billions or thousands.

I'm a Science Channel/TLC/Discovery channel addict and watch fucking marathons on our universe and yes I was biology/chemistry double major and have a very good handle on evolution and I can tell you point for point everything in that article is incorrect bullshit. IT'S JUST BULLSHIT!
 
Yes, I will never be offended regardless of the language used on this topic.

But please, expound further than just calling it "bullshit".


Don't take this the wrong way....being a dick to you about your religion is one thing but I feel no need to hold back here.

You're "proof" for a young universe IS FUCKING RETARDED!! We can quibble about how many billions of years old the the universe is but not whether it's billions or thousands.

I'm a Science Channel/TLC/Discovery channel addict and watch fucking marathons on our universe and yes I was biology/chemistry double major and have a very good handle on evolution and I can tell you point for point everything in that article is incorrect bullshit. IT'S JUST BULLSHIT!
 
Yes, I will never be offended regardless of the language used on this topic.

But please, expound further than just calling it "bullshit".

It's an article written by some weirdo PhD that offers no scientific proof of anything he's stating. It's not peer-reviewed. No calculations. No direct measurable observational data. No experimental data. NOTHING! It's garbage wrapped in "scientific terminology" which is used to fool unsophisticated readers (who already have an agenda - i.e. the bible is correct in saying the world is thousands of years old) into believing it's true. The problem with this type of "proof" is YOU WANT TO BELIEVE it so there's nothing I can possibly say to change your mind. In contrast I could care less if the earth is thousands or billions of years old....I just know the data supports billions of years old. I really have no dog in that fight.

There is an OVERWHELMING amount of data (like 99.99999% certainty) in the PEER-REVIEWED literature supporting the idea that the universe is billions of years old.

Just because some PhD writes it...it doesn't mean it's true. Peer-review is the built-in bullshit checker and while not 100% effective....this crap would be tossed out in a second.
 
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Okay, so you don't have any scientific evidence or calculations showing what he's saying to be untrue? You're just assuming, based of your own preconceived notions, that what he's saying must not be true?


It's an article written by some weirdo PhD that offers no scientific proof of anything he's stating. It's not peer-reviewed. No calculations. No direct measurable observational data. No experimental data. NOTHING! It's garbage wrapped in "scientific terminology" which is used to fool unsophisticated readers (who already have an agenda - i.e. the bible is correct) into believing it's true.

There is an OVERWHELMING amount of data (like 99.99999% certainty) in the PEER-REVIEWED literature supporting the idea that the universe is billions of years old.

Just because some PhD writes it...it doesn't mean it's true. Peer-review is the built-in bullshit checker and while not 100% effective....this crap would be tossed out in a second.
 
Okay, so you don't have any scientific evidence or calculations showing what he's saying to be untrue? You're just assuming, based of your own preconceived notions, that what he's saying must not be true?

Um...there IS SCIENTIFIC proof supporting the universe is billions of years old. There ARE calculations supporting the universe is billions of years old. If you want you can do your own homework and track down the literature. You've obviously spent your time searching for literature that supports YOUR preconceived ideas...you can do the same for this data as well. IT DOES EXIST AND IS NOT HARD TO FIND. Furthermore, it IS peer-reviewed in world famous scientific journals with ALL the supporting data needed to come to that conclusion. The article you posted OFFERS NO DATA!!!!! It is nothing more than the opinion of a crazy PhD.

Do yourself a favor and learn how assess the quality of scientific literature.....your "proof" doesn't pass by ANYONE's standards.
 
Nothing I posted is meant to be proof, no one called it proof. I always begin conversations regarding evolution with the young earth evidence, perhaps a more apt description would be: young earth questions. At any rate, all the post is designed to do is make the reader say: "Hmmm" and perhaps open their minds to the possibility that evolution doesn't align with science NEARLY as well as proponents of the theory pretend that it does.

Is the 2nd law of thermodynamics true? Go ahead and align macro evolution with the 2nd law of thermodynamics for me.




Um...there IS SCIENTIFIC proof supporting the universe is billions of years old. There ARE calculations supporting the universe is billions of years old. If you want you can do your own homework and track down the literature. You've obviously spent your time searching for literature that supports YOUR preconceived ideas...you can do the same for this data as well. IT DOES EXIST AND IS NOT HARD TO FIND. Furthermore, it IS peer-reviewed in world famous scientific journals with ALL the supporting data needed to come to that conclusion. The article you posted OFFERS NO DATA!!!!! It is nothing more than the opinion of a crazy PhD.

Do yourself a favor and learn how assess the quality of scientific literature.....your "proof" doesn't pass by ANYONE's standards.
 
Nothing I posted is meant to be proof, no one called it proof. I always begin conversations regarding evolution with the young earth evidence, perhaps a more apt description would be: young earth questions. At any rate, all the post is designed to do is make the reader say: "Hmmm" and perhaps open their minds to the possibility that evolution doesn't align with science NEARLY as well as proponents of the theory pretend that it does.

Is the 2nd law of thermodynamics true? Go ahead and align macro evolution with the 2nd law of thermodynamics for me.

What does one have to do with the other? The Second Law of Thermodynamics ONLY refers to a completely closed (isolated) system. The world and the process of evolution does not exist as a closed system. Your question is garbage and does not make sense.

More eloquently put then I can do: Five Major Misconceptions about Evolution
 
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Stretch I don't blame you for entertaining these wacky ideas. You are NOT trained in science and so you are easily led astray by arguments like evolution and the second law of thermodynamics are incompatible. Like most things science the devil is in the details which you and the people arguing this point don't understand......Please understand....I'm NOT calling you stupid....just uneducated in these matters.
 
Although there are inherent errors in carbon dating that could extend over a period of
several million years, the notion that earth or the universe more closely approximate an age of several thousand years is utterly absurd.

I've no doubt the evolutionists have exaggerated their time table as have the creationists contracted theirs the truth lies some where in between, IMO.

Jim
 
By the way Stretch....the link I provided has a complete list of references to scientific papers published in peer-reviewed journals supporting each argument.
 
Agreed but the Christian religion is a branch off from the Catholic Church. No matter how much people want to say they are different if you follow the branch all the way back to its roots you will go back to the Catholic Church no matter how much you want to believe it is its own religion. That is what I mean by that as well. The Christian religion didn't wasn't even a religion till it broke away from the Catholic Church. Then wouldn't that make the Christian religion incorrect. It's a religion that was just started because they wanted to break away from the Catholic Church. Also Catholics where not the first religion I can't remember which one was the first but if I remember correctly Catholics/Christians are the 3rd religion out of 5 main ones.
I think that religion was jus created because most people would not be able to handle not having someone superior. If we found out there was no god 100% with proof lots of people around the world would go into despair and depression.
 
Agreed but the Christian religion is a branch off from the Catholic Church. No matter how much people want to say they are different if you follow the branch all the way back to its roots you will go back to the Catholic Church no matter how much you want to believe it is its own religion. That is what I mean by that as well. The Christian religion didn't wasn't even a religion till it broke away from the Catholic Church. Then wouldn't that make the Christian religion incorrect. It's a religion that was just started because they wanted to break away from the Catholic Church. Also Catholics where not the first religion I can't remember which one was the first but if I remember correctly Catholics/Christians are the 3rd religion out of 5 main ones.
I think that religion was jus created because most people would not be able to handle not having someone superior. If we found out there was no god 100% with proof lots of people around the world would go into despair and depression.

Hmmmm.....not sure what you mean.....Catholicism is a "branch" of Christianity. All Christianity means is you believe in Christ. The Catholics, Born Agains, Evangelicals, Episcopals, Methodists, Mormons, etc all fall under the umbrella of Christianity.
 
Damn iPhone contracted reading scale! My post should read; ..... more closely approximates an age of several thousand ...,,,

Hey Stretch if your not careful, perhaps you'll find your "PC". Damn guys can you tone down the vitriol?
NOT, been there done that!

Jim
 
Did you look at any of evidence for a young earth which was posted.

Read it.

Then come tell me about the millions of years.

The author of that article, is Russel Humphreys, a widely discredited "researcher" for Creation Ministries International. His work is funded by Baptists, and is not taken seriously in the Scientific community. You know I have nothing but love for you brother, but you are 110% wrong if you think he is proof of anything except how easy it is to get a PhD from Louisiana State. Basic carbon dating refutes his theories.

I am using material from wiki and The Coalition for Excellence in Science and Math Educations' article "Creation Physicist" D. Russell Humphreys, and his Questionable "Evidence for a Young World"

Humphreys model has been refuted by many scientists and old earth creationists, such as Hugh Ross and Samuel R. Conner.

In 1998, physicist Dave Thomas wrote that in Humphreys thousands-of-years-old universe, he "has his astronomy backwards - the Kuiper Belt contains the remains of the "volatile" (icy) planetesimals that were left over from the formation of the solar system - numbering in the hundreds of millions. If anything, it is the Kuiper Belt that supplies the more remote hypothesized Oort Cloud, as some icy chunks are occasionally flung far away by interactions with large planets."

Sea Salt Issue

Thomas also criticized Humphreys' idea that there is "not enough sodium in the sea" for a several billion year old sea, writing, "Humphreys finds estimates of oceanic salt accumulation and deposition that provide him the data to "set" an upper limit of 62 million years. But modern geologists do not use erratic processes like these for clocks. It's like someone noticing that (A) it's snowing at an inch per hour, (B) the snow outside is four feet deep, and then concluding that (C) the Earth is just 48 hours, or two days, in age. Snowfall is erratic; some snow can melt; and so on. The Earth is older than two days, so there must be a flaw with the "snow" dating method, just as there is with the "salt" method."
Helium Problems

Geologist Kevin Henke has criticized Humphreys for stating that "zircons from the Fenton Hill rock cores... contain too much radiogenic helium to be billions of years old." Henke wrote that the equations in Humphreys' work "are based on many false assumptions (isotropic diffusion, constant temperatures over time, etc.) and the vast majority of Humphreys et al.'s critical a, b, and Q/Q0 values that are used in these 'dating' equations are either missing, poorly defined, improperly measured or inaccurate."

Earth Cooling Model

Scientists Glenn Morton and George L Murphy have dismissed Humphreys' cooling model as "wrong" because "it is ineffective, it is falsified by observational data, and it is theologically flawed."

First, in a classical model for a harmonic oscillator (like a particle oscillating in a crystal), "the particle does not lose energy to the cosmic expansion."
Second, Humphreys' model "is too slow to be useful to the creationist agenda."
Third, "there would be visible effects in the spectra of light emitted during the Flood, including those from stars a few thousand light years away in our own galaxy. A change in the energy levels of atoms (which this idea would entail) would change the frequencies at which light is emitted in a fashion that would be observable. The lack of such observations rules out Humphreys' cooling mechanism as a reasonable possibility."

Last, they criticized it for contradicting the theological foundation that Humphreys uses in another publication: "Flaws in a Young-Earth Cooling Mechanism". National Center for Science Education. 2008.
 
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