Why there almost certainly is No God!!

Your standing up for what you believe. That's good. I doubt you'll get a lot of comments on your post, except maybe to begin this discussion over again. I'm curious as to what church you belong to? Catholic? Babtist, Presbyterian?
 
Well at first I was going with baptist and due to all that emotion, but then I realized that one critical point about getting "saved" was lacking. So let me put my guess as independent? Or one of those new high tech not quite a Joel Robinson and intentionall differing to conventional scripture..??

The POINT Of the thread is to express opinion. So ya did well..!!!! Sometimes just witnessing far right or left statements/positions encourages folks to get off the fence. Ultra rely it might even FORCE THEM to educate themselves as important for debate.

(You can't just swoop on and blast out some talk and expect to make a change..!! These people need help.! Now think and get busy.!!!)

SO ITS A GOOD REPLY...! So back it up some and make a real mark. Hint : Science likes proof, docs, case study, etc. However, ART has proven itself quite powerful as existential force to be reckoned with. Science likes to draw false power via the use of the term "anecdotal"/aka -yur lying eyes. But after all, it if science who is at the disadvantage of trying to explain Nd define what they can not create or control. It's only true function to try to bring order and sanity where there is only truly chaos and disorder. You can chart and document a statistic till you are blue in the face, the magic trick would be to identify the "P" BEFORE THE P IS BORNE / or is that "Chosen"...! The funniest part is that the lower the probability, the bigger and nastier the hay stack. So did someone insidiously place that p in there?? OR did it materialize based on a long path characteristic derived behavior.??? Would the road exist if we are not there to travel? Would it.,,,?!!?

This entire thread is blasphemous towards GOD the Father, and his son Jesus! I would point out to all of you naysayers on this thread, and the one who originated it, that there most certainly IS A GOD! I pray for all of your eternal souls, and that you come to know Jesus before its too late!
Glory to GOD the Father, and Praise
his Holy name!
 
Some good points BBC. I asked those simple questions for a reason. I'm very interested in the religions and there origins. And the obviously strong beliefs that they have on their followers, to the point martyrdom in cases.
 
Well people are too damned full of fear to operate without the human construct of the "Church". Anxiety of DEATH, LIFE, Uncertainty, etc - would simply eat them alive.

As we all know there are (3) real aspects to "Conscious Spirituality/ Religion" when involving humanity. You have..:
(a) God/Gods which are the master architects potentially creating the SPARK which is the essence, reason, and mode of all of us.
(b) The church which is the conscious construct and social interface, HOW we interpret religion and God, morals, right & Wrong.
(c) Religion, being the GOSPEL or WRITINGS that are said to have been the WORD Delivered. Oddly we find that while these writings are the furthest from AMBIGUOUS, humanity somehow manages to contort even CLEAR MESSAGE into questionable abstract concepts.

While I make no qualms about it. I believe that one true "God" governs. As simply put, there can be no MATTER or SPARK to initial that matter - if not for a source to strike the match. Whether or not GOD applies to only this dimension - I AM NOT CLEAR in my mind. This is of course beyond any of us, ET, Humans, our Dogs, as we may never even be capable of interacting fully with other dimensions. The DEGREE of which the variance at which the principle persons SUBSCRIBE to GOD I think is based on the degree of social issues relevant to their travels. Some of course selfishly subscribe to very limited scopes of WHAT this definition is. Profiteers then come into play and manipulate scripture for personal gain, sloth, gluttony, sometimes EVIL. I am starting to believe that Joel OSTEEN may indeed be the Satan, if not just the biggest out of the box profiteer of our times. And look at the market he services as spawn from. The land of Oil, Gas, and $$ which all afford all of the sins all day long. SEE how his words COMPLETELY CONTRADICT ANY GOSPEL ON RECORD and STAND THE ASTOUNDED as to HOW folks can buy it with conviction. This would be only because they are guilty of the SIN which he pretends to offer absolution from. This is a sad state of humanity indeed.

When you consider that without Religion, and you can even see in the Dead sea Scrolls which were recovered 1940's and actually predate Christ be 500 years, however at the same time proving they are of the same origin and the Holy Bible, Queran, True islam, ( I dont know enough about other religions to compare to older forms such as Hindu, Code of Hemmerabi, etc.. That would be an interesting investigation.

But the whole thing should remain a mystery for sure, and between us just not being there to see, Human nature, False Profits & Messiahs, and all the evil agents in between. Only TRUE LIGHT Can shine RIGHT. We must open AND Close our eyes to find truth. EVERYONE knows the DIFFERENCE between RIGHT & WRONG. How they CHOOSE to behave is ONLY THEIR DECISION. Whether or not the REALLY have a decision in the matter is uncertain. We may not. We may be no more or less than WHAT WE ARE. It is just that simple.

As I have said before - GOD REALLY EXISTS..! Because if PEOPLE/HUMANITY BELIEVE that he does, then THAT is all that matters. For all intensive purpose HE EXISTS. Even to say he does not, qualifies that HE DOES... IT DOES.. I SINGULAR FORCE DOES. Something had to light the fuse.!!

But for our/ your purpose here on Planet Earth, and in this lifetime and era, you bet your ass he does. And this is proven by the FACT that the first thing you do on in a COURT OF LAW is WHAT? Get sworn in to tell the truth, and nothing but the truth, "So HELP YOU GOD". The irony and right there in the highest of matters with your hand right there on it...! So folks can sit there swearing the balls off that there ain't no God, and all the way till the last stone bashes the last bit of conscious life right out of their Carbon based bodies bloodied and the streets as time before and time again.:confused::(

Some good points BBC. I asked those simple questions for a reason. I'm very interested in the religions and there origins. And the obviously strong beliefs that they have on their followers, to the point martyrdom in cases.
 
And One more to HardBodygirl - MY POINT. Is DO NOT just come around here BANTHERING LIKE A PARROT. Anyone can memorize text and visit a shrine on Sunday mornings. WE @ MESO simple challenge the world and the construct which we are presented in search of TRUTH and what really is, and how to best navigate life - FOR POSITIVE REASONS.

So you have expressed you position. At this time I would normally ask your STATS - Weight, height, age, medical history, Physical complaints, current knows/treatments/protocols, and what else is going on. But we are not in the health betterment column. In fact we are in the General Column and more specifically the "GOD THREAD". So now I ask, JUST WHAT ARE YOUR QUALIFICATIONS. You indicate for follow the Holy Bible and to a current social form of RELIGION.

(1) So WHAT is you HISTORY..? When did you first go to Church, how long have you attended?
(2) What is you current understanding of these teachings? Do you just go to church and be social getting on up to that alter to get a sip and the ever healing potion? Or do you actually READ and UNDERSTAND the writings which you appear to advocate publicly?
(3) Which writings do you stock in? Old testament? New testament? Texas style feel good interpretation of light quotation and quick conversion to "Helpful Banther" which you receive readily with faith and conviction to put yer ever aging head so comfortably on your pillow.?
(4) What have you DONE to place convictions in your beliefs? Do you put money in the pot? Do you get out and help those in need of help. Do you get down to the local YMCA and offer yourself up to HELP others find healthy honest paths? TO MOLD and GROW our youth in a GOOD Direction.
(5) What questions do you have about you chosen faith & scriptures. What beliefs do you hold which make you wonder sometimes, but you consciously intentionally dismiss in "BLIND FAITH". Blind Faith after all is COMPLETE SLOTH and IGNORANCE FUEL which will lead you into a snake pit if you should wind up follow false or evil self proclaimed profits. Or even good ones which have fallen to sin and evil.
(6) Why do you think that ONE MAN can set up a holy cross on the street corner proclaiming that God ordained him to deliver the message? What investigation have you done into the operators of your church of patronage? How do YOU ensure that you are not leading a false path and unknown to you? This is called acting responsibly. After all, and believe it or not - A church sometimes is just a church, and a solid business venture with incredible potential for financial gain..! This is WHY the IRS actually qualifies them specifically in US tax code.

On the one hand, your input can service this thread minimally as proof that IGNORANCE IS BLISS. And blissful you may indeed prove to be. I am fairly certain that you will not return here to accept any of these challenges. So surprise us all. Please. Help us to see why our following may be right, wrong, or just Improperly Convicted. Show us some light..!

Keep in mind that an argument I have seen lately is that "ONE CAN NOT PROVE A NEGATIVE". I actually DISAGREE WITH THIS. I believe that you can. At least a good as you can potentially PROVE A POSITIVE. This is simple ADVERTISING HYPE as a FALSE PARADIGM SHIFT. But proves the power of paradigm shift outside your standard common social BOX.

There was a question recently publicized when a young dork boy "preacher" offered 100 grand to anyone that could prove there is no GOD. Anyone could simply publicly state that worse of the worst accusations against "God", and if they were not immediately struck down by lightning - THEN CASE CLOSED - This is PROOF there is no God. You can quickly note that I will NOT make that accusation in Challenge. I DONT WANT TO EITHER. You can also note that while that radio talk guy that refuted the young idiot preacher DID NOT HAVE THE BALLZ to utter the statements that would potentially get him struck down. So while he presented/pretended to be so scientifically astute in all his roundabout ways in debunking this preacher. He failed to show conviction in his disbelief which he SKATED by simply offering "he could not prove a negative". And everyone has seen the Movie CADDYSHACK.. Everyone knows that Karma IS A BITCH. So it seems that the "FEAR OF GOD" is indeed alive and well on all levels. Truthfully, I believe they are all working together to gain profit share and $$, the mode of EVIL which is indeed prevailing in our society today, as always will be...:(o_O

This entire thread is blasphemous towards GOD the Father, and his son Jesus! I would point out to all of you naysayers on this thread, and the one who originated it, that there most certainly IS A GOD! I pray for all of your eternal souls, and that you come to know Jesus before its too late!
Glory to GOD the Father, and Praise
his Holy name!
 
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And One more to HardBodygirl - MY POINT. Is DO NOT just come around here BANTHERING LIKE A PARROT. Anyone can memorize text and visit a shrine on Sunday mornings. WE @ MESO simple challenge the world and the construct which we are presented in search of TRUTH and what really is, and how to best navigate life - FOR POSITIVE REASONS.

So you have expressed you position. At this time I would normally ask your STATS - Weight, height, age, medical history, Physical complaints, current knows/treatments/protocols, and what else is going on. But we are not in the health betterment column. In fact we are in the General Column and more specifically the "GOD THREAD". So now I ask, JUST WHAT ARE YOUR QUALIFICATIONS. You indicate for follow the Holy Bible and to a current social form of RELIGION.

(1) So WHAT is you HISTORY..? When did you first go to Church, how long have you attended?
(2) What is you current understanding of these teachings? Do you just go to church and be social getting on up to that alter to get a sip and the ever healing potion? Or do you actually READ and UNDERSTAND the writings which you appear to advocate publicly?
(3) Which writings do you stock in? Old testament? New testament? Texas style feel good interpretation of light quotation and quick conversion to "Helpful Banther" which you receive readily with faith and conviction to put yer ever aging head so comfortably on your pillow.?
(4) What have you DONE to place convictions in your beliefs? Do you put money in the pot? Do you get out and help those in need of help. Do you get down to the local YMCA and offer yourself up to HELP others find healthy honest paths? TO MOLD and GROW our youth in a GOOD Direction.
(5) What questions do you have about you chosen faith & scriptures. What beliefs do you hold which make you wonder sometimes, but you consciously intentionally dismiss in "BLIND FAITH". Blind Faith after all is COMPLETE SLOTH and IGNORANCE FUEL which will lead you into a snake pit if you should wind up follow false or evil self proclaimed profits. Or even good ones which have fallen to sin and evil.
(6) Why do you think that ONE MAN can set up a holy cross on the street corner proclaiming that God ordained him to deliver the message? What investigation have you done into the operators of your church of patronage? How do YOU ensure that you are not leading a false path and unknown to you? This is called acting responsibly. After all, and believe it or not - A church sometimes is just a church, and a solid business venture with incredible potential for financial gain..! This is WHY the IRS actually qualifies them specifically in US tax code.

On the one hand, your input can service this thread minimally as proof that IGNORANCE IS BLISS. And blissful you may indeed prove to be. I am fairly certain that you will not return here to accept any of these challenges. So surprise us all. Please. Help us to see why our following may be right, wrong, or just Improperly Convicted. Show us some light..!

Keep in mind that an argument I have seen lately is that "ONE CAN NOT PROVE A NEGATIVE". I actually DISAGREE WITH THIS. I believe that you can. At least a good as you can potentially PROVE A POSITIVE. This is simple ADVERTISING HYPE as a FALSE PARADIGM SHIFT. But proves the power of paradigm shift outside your standard common social BOX.

There was a question recently publicized when a young dork boy "preacher" offered 100 grand to anyone that could prove there is no GOD. Anyone could simply publicly state that worse of the worst accusations against "God", and if they were not immediately struck down by lightning - THEN CASE CLOSED - This is PROOF there is no God. You can quickly note that I will NOT make that accusation in Challenge. I DONT WANT TO EITHER. You can also note that while that radio talk guy that refuted the young idiot preacher DID NOT HAVE THE BALLZ to utter the statements that would potentially get him struck down. So while he presented/pretended to be so scientifically astute in all his roundabout ways in debunking this preacher. He failed to show conviction in his disbelief which he SKATED by simply offering "he could not prove a negative". And everyone has seen the Movie CADDYSHACK.. Everyone knows that Karma IS A BITCH. So it seems that the "FEAR OF GOD" is indeed alive and well on all levels. Truthfully, I believe they are all working together to gain profit share and $$, the mode of EVIL which is indeed prevailing in our society today, as always will be...:(o_O

When you refer to false prophets, Joel Osteen is a good place to start! Preaching his "feel good" religion, that
tickles the ears of those who blindly listen to him! All the "comfortable christians" out there who follow him, do not want to hear the TRUTH... they want to hear what makes them feel good! And they'll go straight to HELL if they don't truly repent one day and choose to follow Jesus! You believe what you wish regarding GOD the Father, i won't debate you. If you want to learn the TRUTH... go pick yourself up a copywright 1960 King James Version bible, and start reading it. Then start praying to GOD that he will reveal the things to you, that are necessary for you to believe in him. The only thing that can change your opinion is the Holy Spirit... NOT ME! You like to wander off into deep waters here on this thread, but i'm not the one you should be asking these questions! When you get down on your face and pray for 2 days straight asking GOD to reveal himself to you, then maybe HE WILL! You want answers? I've just pointed you in the right direction to find them! Good luck in your spiritual journey, and i sincerely HOPE you find the answers your looking for. I will be praying for you and most of the rest of the MESO members on this thread. Since... as far as i'm concerned, the majority of you are just too smart for your own good!
 
When you refer to false prophets, Joel Osteen is a good place to start! Preaching his "feel good" religion, that
tickles the ears of those who blindly listen to him! All the "comfortable christians" out there who follow him, do not want to hear the TRUTH... they want to hear what makes them feel good! And they'll go straight to HELL if they don't truly repent one day and choose to follow Jesus! You believe what you wish regarding GOD the Father, i won't debate you. If you want to learn the TRUTH... go pick yourself up a copywright 1960 King James Version bible, and start reading it. Then start praying to GOD that he will reveal the things to you, that are necessary for you to believe in him. The only thing that can change your opinion is the Holy Spirit... NOT ME! You like to wander off into deep waters here on this thread, but i'm not the one you should be asking these questions! When you get down on your face and pray for 2 days straight asking GOD to reveal himself to you, then maybe HE WILL! You want answers? I've just pointed you in the right direction to find them! Good luck in your spiritual journey, and i sincerely HOPE you find the answers your looking for. I will be praying for you and most of the rest of the MESO members on this thread. Since... as far as i'm concerned, the majority of you are just too smart for your own good!

 
and not a single bullwett in yer gun... walk away before you do Chistianity further disservice and make a COMPLETE IDIOT OF YOUR FUCKING IGNORANT SELF!!!!

it is you who are a blight and discredit to God as SO GOD DAMN IGNORANT... Just another dumbshit sheep in the flock fit for shaggin at best. and you call YOURSELF a Christian.??!! boy you really impressed him here tonight. name calling unprovoked even...

L.... O...... L.......

ON now with your silly little hiney before one of these cherries up both cheeks for you. and you just proved you are nothing more than an idiot who would spend days on knee for an all natural hallucinagen.. fucks sake. can i tap that for ya???


@CensoredBoardsSuck
If your GAY dude... why didnt you say so? I get what is bothering you now!
 
and not a single bullwett in yer gun... walk away before you do Chistianity further disservice and make a COMPLETE IDIOT OF YOUR FUCKING IGNORANT SELF!!!!

it is you who are a blight and discredit to God as SO GOD DAMN IGNORANT... Just another dumbshit sheep in the flock fit for shaggin at best. and you call YOURSELF a Christian.??!! boy you really impressed him here tonight. name calling unprovoked even...

L.... O...... L.......

ON now with your silly little hiney before one of these cherries up both cheeks for you. and you just proved you are nothing more than an idiot who would spend days on knee for an all natural hallucinagen.. fucks sake. can i tap that for ya???

The ONLY people who do Christianity a disservice is YOU! This troll @CensoredBoardsSuck
has been following me all over MESO tonite, starting shit left and right, eveywhere i make a comment! Catch a clue now will ya? It WAS PROVOKED you dumbass!
 
You use the word gay in the pejorative sense and then offer to pray for me. Like most religious fanatics, you're also a hypocrite.

It really bothers GAY people that they're going to HELL! I get that dude... it clearly states in the bible their fate... if they continue to live in WILLFUL SIN! And YES i will pray for you! It also says in the bible that i must LOVE my enemies! And you're doing the best you possibly can, during the last week i've been a member here, to make certain that you fall into that category!
 
I have found over the last 30 years involved in bodybuilding, that quite a few bodybuilders are GAY! And more now than EVER! It's very common! And it's also one of the reasons they started bodybuilding in the first place... they were insecure about being a lesbian or a homosexual! Yes i get that!
 
But we don't just go blindly name calling and we don't judge our fellow man, unless he is directly compromising and putting us and our loved ones in harms way. This is up to GOD to decide right? The plight of humanity is this failure repeated in TIME over and over like a bad dream. We disagree we don't blindly attack. If you review back you will most likely find that you were only challenged fairly and put to test of identity.

There is an apparent scourge which has been attacking MESO as of late and to gather attention for marketing promotion and off of the backs of the hard working members here. If you are on the radar there may be a reason for this. As far as I am concerned, those the like always come out in the wash. Clean you ARE or shall be if to continue here. The intentions are honest and fair. You need to research and review threads prior to entering so passionately as I described to you in my PM response a minute ago.

This GOD THREAD is about presenting different views and available documentation as a quest for what is true and right. No one is necessarily stating a postition based on a post or attachment to it. They are merely presenting credible contest if "anti-God", and in the search for what is right and just. As I mentioned -- WARS are fought over "GOD". People are Martyred over GOD. It was not the thread to just jump in unread and start slinging banther. As I mentioned... Back up, take a breath, and READ for a while. You will find an OBJECTIVE OUTLOOK I assure. I would recommend you back up and start with the first page of THIS THREAD. Make notes as you go. Write down WHAT you disagree with and WHY. There is much more to this thread than a provocative title and some fun pokes here and there.

"Science" is about trying to UNDERSTAND (Qualify & Quantify) ART and the ABSTRACT. Science KNOWS it is the the bitch of ART and it simply does its best to try to figure out WHY this is, and HOW to navigate it.

AND FYI - If you ARE who you say you ARE. Then perhaps you are intrigued by the site as you are ready to grow some as personally YOU/YOURSELF. I can attest this is the place to get that. Be warned that growth is PAIN. There is plenty to feed a hungry appetite here. So again, just make yourself a plate with your eyes and take some in. You will understand more if you do. You might even like the feeling.

If you are sensing a challenge as hostile, most likely that is just FEAR whispering lies in your ears. IGNORANCE IS THE LEADING CAUSE OF FEAR. The antidote to IGNORANCE is right here and offered to you and all others who wish to witness perspectives as information contrary to your current paradigm.

You want to score some points then take a look at these guys avatars... LOL. But throw up a pic in your avatar and watch how much credit that can buy you. You hold a lot of power/potentially. You have just been poorly educated on HOW TO USE IT...;):)


I have found over the last 30 years involved in bodybuilding, that quite a few bodybuilders are GAY! And more now than EVER! It's very common! And it's also one of the reasons they started bodybuilding in the first place... they were insecure about being a lesbian or a homosexual! Yes i get that!
 
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When you refer to false prophets, Joel Osteen is a good place to start! Preaching his "feel good" religion, that
tickles the ears of those who blindly listen to him! All the "comfortable christians" out there who follow him, do not want to hear the TRUTH... they want to hear what makes them feel good! And they'll go straight to HELL if they don't truly repent one day and choose to follow Jesus! You believe what you wish regarding GOD the Father, i won't debate you. If you want to learn the TRUTH... go pick yourself up a copywright 1960 King James Version bible, and start reading it. Then start praying to GOD that he will reveal the things to you, that are necessary for you to believe in him. The only thing that can change your opinion is the Holy Spirit... NOT ME! You like to wander off into deep waters here on this thread, but i'm not the one you should be asking these questions! When you get down on your face and pray for 2 days straight asking GOD to reveal himself to you, then maybe HE WILL! You want answers? I've just pointed you in the right direction to find them! Good luck in your spiritual journey, and i sincerely HOPE you find the answers your looking for. I will be praying for you and most of the rest of the MESO members on this thread. Since... as far as i'm concerned, the majority of you are just too smart for your own good!
Why are you recommending the 1960 kings James version?
 
Actually we should ignore the bible versions as we are getting off the subject of whether you believe or not and if there is or is not a God . There is enough controversy there without dragging the different versions of the New Testament into the equation. Not to mention the different and conflicting versions of the Torah (old testament).
Forget about the Wiki and internet dictionaries for information. It barely touches on it.
 
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