Let's talk about GH (and all other shit)

[Mr MASSE]

More secure is to have a friend who is watching you for the first times..
Till you have a feeling of the whole process!
And please do much more research if you are interested!

 

[DickySmalls]

@mands

Do you know if HGH sides, specifically carpal tunnel syndrome, come from high GH serum or high IGF-1?

 

[mands]

@mands

Do you know if HGH sides, specifically carpal tunnel syndrome, come from high GH serum or high IGF-1?

The CTS you experience is from the nerve in your hand compressed by water retention I'm guessing in short term use.

I have read studies that CTS will occur when there are high levels of IGF-1. In turn when IGF-1 levels drop into a lower range there were no accounts of CTS.

For the record... High GH serum levels should account for high IGF-1 levels in theory.

mands

 

[DickySmalls]

The CTS you experience is from the nerve in your hand compressed by water retention I'm guessing in short term use.

I have read studies that CTS will occur when there are high levels of IGF-1. In turn when IGF-1 levels drop into a lower range there were no accounts of CTS.

For the record... High GH serum levels should account for high IGF-1 levels in theory.

mands

So someone taking large amounts of legitimate IGF-1 and no HGH will experience CTS as well? And if someone had a condition where HGH didn't cause IGF-1 to rise, they would not experience CTS?

 

[mands]

So someone taking large amounts of legitimate IGF-1 and no HGH will experience CTS as well? And if someone had a condition where HGH didn't cause IGF-1 to rise, they would not experience CTS?

Is water retention a problem with high amounts of exogenous igf-1?

If they had HGH that didn't cause IGF-1 to rise they probably have bunk HGH. So, they probably wouldn't have water retention or CTS.

I would have to do some more research on it.

mands

 

[DickySmalls]

Is water retention a problem with high amounts of exogenous igf-1?

Are you actually asking me or is that rhetorical? I've never researched IGF-1 at all so I have no idea.

If they had HGH that didn't cause IGF-1 to rise they probably have bunk HGH.

I meant if someone had a disease or something of the sort where their body couldn't produce IGF-1 from HGH.

Was just curious what the side effects stem from.

 

[PrideofNYC123]

Are you actually asking me or is that rhetorical? I've never researched IGF-1 at all so I have no idea.



I meant if someone had a disease or something of the sort where their body couldn't produce IGF-1 from HGH.

Was just curious what the side effects stem from.

I've never had my igf rise more than 40 points even on 20iu/day of gh and I don't get CTS sides so there's 1 anecdote.

I've done 4 different igf tests on 4 brands.
Sciroxx Somastim
TP black tops
6F red tops
Pharmatropin

I know somastim and the black tops were legit based on our testing at PM and I'm the one that donated the vials so what was tested was what I was using. 6F white tops were tested and did well but we didn't test the red tops and re pharmatropin, we've seen the mixed results.

So I'm not converting to igf for some reason. Muscle96 suggested hepatitis c but I got tested and was negative and all my liver values are fine so who knows.

Point being that I think high igf = water retention = cts. Igf lr3 doesn't cause me any cts either.


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[mands]

I've never had my igf rise more than 40 points even on 20iu/day of gh and I don't get CTS sides so there's 1 anecdote.

I've done 4 different igf tests on 4 brands.
Sciroxx Somastim
TP black tops
6F red tops
Pharmatropin

I know somastim and the black tops were legit based on our testing at PM and I'm the one that donated the vials so what was tested was what I was using. 6F white tops were tested and did well but we didn't test the red tops and re pharmatropin, we've seen the mixed results.

So I'm not converting to igf for some reason. Muscle96 suggested hepatitis c but I got tested and was negative and all my liver values are fine so who knows.

Point being that I think high igf = water retention = cts. Igf lr3 doesn't cause me any cts either.


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Great to have anecdotal evidence here. I was looking for what causes GH not to convert to IGF-1 and I did find that but there are others too.

mands

 

[DickySmalls]

Yay. Just got my kits from TP. I like the little "M" logo they have on them. Looks like a heartbeat:

 

[BigAli]

You guys are splitting hairs here I do believe. But, if he's guaranteeing 15 iu's like @noswttea4u is stating then 13.7 iu's is short no matter if you are paying less per IU or not. I will take this all day long. I know @tp2013 is not happy if they are coming in at 13.7 because the manufacture is guaranteeing him 15 iu.

@Nutpuncher he's not underdosing his vials he is overdosing. But, they came in 1.3 iu's from the first test. We are testing more. Remember more tests the better. That way we can determine accuracy of the testing. Some might come in over 15 iu's. We don't know yet.

mands

I think that we should test some from each batch. I've ordered some from batch #16 and #17.

 

[legendary]

So I been mixing greys wrong? I use 1ml water per vial.

 

[Mr MASSE]

No its right!
It's so easy,1 full insulin gun 1 ml water in a 10 IU vial . . . So the half of the insulin gun is 5 IU the half of the half is 2.5 IU ! Just think about it please

 

[Eman]

So I been mixing greys wrong? I use 1ml water per vial.

Yeah 1ml is correct bud, you were saying MG in the other thread. I was just picking on you a little.

 

[legendary]

Lol sorry I'm at work texting 45ft up on a lift over a fire chase

 

[BigAli]

No its right!
It's so easy,1 full insulin gun 1 ml water in a 10 IU vial . . . So the half of the insulin gun is 5 IU the half of the half is 2.5 IU ! Just think about it please

Is it really? bc it depends on the lab results that Dr and Mands are doing. If the blacktops are dosed from 12-15iu then for someone trying to reduce sides and e.g. takes a 4iu shot everyday then the dosing would be different. I'm gonna do my math based on 12iu per blacktop vial.

 

[Dr JIM]

I'd do both! @mands will be able to help you a bit more... When in doubt, it seems MORE info is better than less, right?

That depends upon the reliability of the "info" and how it's to be applied from a therapeutic perspective.

Ive seen MANY Meso members obtain "shotgun labs" and thereafter post their results needing someone else to interpret them.

To that end I don't know how GH levels would be used to effect THERAPY

 

[BigAli]

@Dr JIM Off the topic JIM. I didn't want to respond back to you on the testing thread anymore.

"I just like how you try hard to drop a sarcastic post. Then you read it 'gain and think with yourself "Huh, i can make it look more sarcastic" and then EDIT." SARCASM MASCOT

 

[Dr JIM]

^^^^
Yea right clown and that's your myopic view of my motives, lol.

It was "dropped" for the reasons I STATED and bc it was BANTER got it, FOOL!

And rest assured this post won't be dropped, feel better, lol!

 

[BigAli]

Chill doc!
LOL..Have you ever looked into a mirror? tell me what you see other than a clown calling others clown. Everything goes back to our childhood and it's obvious that clown and FOOL were 2 nicknames you got back then! I see..

I'm not hating you doc but your lack of manners has some deep roots!

 

[Dr JIM]

^^^^^^

Yea and that's projection on your behalf, "SmallAli"

This is an AAS forum and NOT some bedside and your no patient awaiting medical assistance, The fact you can't tell the difference has some "deep root" SmallAli