New/first cycle, options wanted!

[StephenMB]

Hu guys and gals,

I've been doing some research on steroids and ultimately have concluded that this cycle is best for in a manner of speaking. (Cycle below)

For starters I'm 27, 6 ft, and I weigh around 11.5 stone, slim build and my ultimate aim at this stage is to create mass in multiple areas!

My cycle is as follows:

Oxandrolone, 40 mg per day along with 50 mg per day of stanozolol

Clomiphene/nolvadex (non aromatic) must have In conjunction with those two

4 weeks ON and 6 weeks OFF to avoid extensive liver damage

Any opinions of experts would be appreciated!

Thanks in advance

 

[Thmz]

First message, but i have to replay.

Why on earth would you run two very toxic orals without test?

And also, 4 weeks on and 6 weeks off doesn't sound very good to be honest. You will shut yourself down and be on TRT in no time.

 

[Jaye j]

I've done plenty of oral only cycles because I was scared of pinning.. And completely regret them.

I dunno about you but having a diminished sex drive during cycle..then during pct is not fun. Not to mention the lethargy that comes with it

If you do stick with this cycle make you pick up some liver support supps as well

Imo .. And one I wish I would have done myself... Is go for a test only first cycle. Everything about test only is amazing.. Uplifted mood, erections that could break dry wall, good size gains fast..especially first time.

 

[StephenMB]

First message, but i have to replay.

Why on earth would you run two very toxic orals without test?

And also, 4 weeks on and 6 weeks off doesn't sound very good to be honest. You will shut yourself down and be on TRT in no time.

I haven't actually started a cycle yet, haven't tried anything at all but having researched what would be best this is the one that would suit me for great gains. Reason I asked is for expert opinions such as yours before I try it. What would you determine as a test?

 

[StephenMB]

I've done plenty of oral only cycles because I was scared of pinning.. And completely regret them.

I dunno about you but having a diminished sex drive during cycle..then during pct is not fun. Not to mention the lethargy that comes with it

If you do stick with this cycle make you pick up some liver support supps as well

Imo .. And one I wish I would have done myself... Is go for a test only first cycle. Everything about test only is amazing.. Uplifted mood, erections that could break dry wall, good size gains fast..especially first time.

I have never done any steroids at all buddy, this would be my first trial of a cycle. Not that I'm scared of needles or anything I just wouldn't fancy getting it wrong first time. Plus I'm trying to get a good base for mass more than anything else, want least amount of water retention and mostly lean muscle mass gains over a long period of time...

What would you class as a test only cycle and... what would your advice be? Change dosage? Change one of th compounds?

 

[Jaye j]

I haven't actually started a cycle yet, haven't tried anything at all but having researched what would be best this is the one that would suit me for great gains. Reason I asked is for expert opinions such as yours before I try it. What would you determine as a test?

He was referring to using testosterone as the base of your cycle

Your man goodies will be shut down on your oral only cycle... Which will leave you moody, lethargic, unmotivated and unsexual.

Using testosterone as a base.. Even a low dose like 200-300mg a week will be a great cycle with those 2 other orals you mentioned. Having low testosterone is no fun.

You can keep what you have, but definitely add in some testosterone

And test only cycle being testoserone enanthate or cypionate.. That way you only have to inject twice a week

 

[J DUGIN]

I have never done any steroids at all buddy, this would be my first trial of a cycle. Not that I'm scared of needles or anything I just wouldn't fancy getting it wrong first time. Plus I'm trying to get a good base for mass more than anything else, want least amount of water retention and mostly lean muscle mass gains over a long period of time...

What would you class as a test only cycle and... what would your advice be? Change dosage? Change one of th compounds?

You have it totally wrong for the first time or any time actually. Not sure where you found the "research" stating this would be a good first cycle for build a base for mass. Do more research. Read up on nutrition and training and then when you've maxed out your natural potential and you have accurate research, maybe a test (testosterone) only cycle would be in the cards.

 

[StephenMB]

So what you're advising is that I don't take any mainstream steroids and just go for a testosterone based cycle?

I'm completely new to this kind of thing and it's nothing I've ever experimented with.... so forgive my ignorance when I ask... how long should this be for and is there a time frame as to when to be on/off?

 

[Jaye j]

10 weeks is a good start

Which would be 2 10ml viles of testosterone e or c

And when you finish you wait 2 weeks after last pin to start pct.. Usually that's 4 weeks of your clom and nolva.. Then you equal time off as you had on.. So 10 weeks.

Pct + time on = time off

And it's okay that you're asking questions.. It's how you learn.. Make sure you get it right before you start =)

 

[J DUGIN]

So what you're advising is that I don't take any mainstream steroids and just go for a testosterone based cycle?

I'm completely new to this kind of thing and it's nothing I've ever experimented with.... so forgive my ignorance when I ask... how long should this be for and is there a time frame as to when to be on/off?

I am advising you to maximize your natural potential and do your homework first.
Everything you are asking is easily found here. You will gain more knowledge from reading and will be less likely to screw yourself up permanently. Additionally you will be more aware of what you are getting yourself into. Ok to ask questions but I'd be careful with some of the advice given. There are plenty of others that are just going off what someone told them and really have no idea.
For me, I like to know everything I can about what I am researching. This way I know the proper dosages, pros, cons etc. I'm not going to rely on someone I don't know to tell me with the possibility of getting bad advice.
Once you have done your homework then get on the forum and share your experiences and ask others for theirs.

Just my .02. Good luck with what you decide to do.

 

[TSud]

How long have you been working out and what are your goals? Man look, im not trying to be an ass here but your a ways off and need to do a lot more research before you start this journey. You talk about "mainstream steroids" yet you know nothing about testosterone which is as main stream as it gets. The good news is this, you've found MESO which is the best board there is. Your surrounded by guys that have an incredible amount of knowledge and experience and the answers to just about all of your questions are here. The bad news, your going to have to put in the time researching and reading. No one is going to spoon feed it to you. And start by going to the new member section and introducing yourself. If you do all this then I promise you, you'll learn plenty. I know I have, and so have lots of other guys on here. Good luck to you and please, for your own saftey, continue reading before you start anything.

 

[TSud]

I am advising you to maximize your natural potential and do your homework first.
Everything you are asking is easily found here. You will gain more knowledge from reading and will be less likely to screw yourself up permanently. Additionally you will be more aware of what you are getting yourself into. Ok to ask questions but I'd be careful with some of the advice given. There are plenty of others that are just going off what someone told them and really have no idea.
For me, I like to know everything I can about what I am researching. This way I know the proper dosages, pros, cons etc. I'm not going to rely on someone I don't know to tell me with the possibility of getting bad advice.
Once you have done your homework then get on the forum and share your experiences and ask others for theirs.

Just my .02. Good luck with what you decide to do.

Good reply. I didn't see it before I responded.

 

[Wood4days]

Hu guys and gals,

I've been doing some research on steroids and ultimately have concluded that this cycle is best for in a manner of speaking. (Cycle below)

For starters I'm 27, 6 ft, and I weigh around 11.5 stone, slim build and my ultimate aim at this stage is to create mass in multiple areas!

My cycle is as follows:

Oxandrolone, 40 mg per day along with 50 mg per day of stanozolol

Clomiphene/nolvadex (non aromatic) must have In conjunction with those two

4 weeks ON and 6 weeks OFF to avoid extensive liver damage

Any opinions of experts would be appreciated!

Thanks in advance

I think you didn't do enough research lol. How long did you research for? 2hrs? [emoji85] [emoji23]

Where's the test?

Two orals to build mass? Did you're research tell you that?

I think you're looking for a spoon feed cycle.

 

[StephenMB]

10 weeks is a good start

Which would be 2 10ml viles of testosterone e or c

And when you finish you wait 2 weeks after last pin to start pct.. Usually that's 4 weeks of your clom and nolva.. Then you equal time off as you had on.. So 10 weeks.

Pct + time on = time off

And it's okay that you're asking questions.. It's how you learn.. Make sure you get it right before you start =)

Sounds like sound advice, just wasn't sure if you meant to use in conjunction with those other oral compounds as well. I didn't think that testosterone was a definitive steroid I just thought it was a hormone enhancer so wouldn't have thought you need clom alongside that?? But I'm wrong if you're stating otherwise

Thanks for the advice buddy

 

[StephenMB]

I am advising you to maximize your natural potential and do your homework first.
Everything you are asking is easily found here. You will gain more knowledge from reading and will be less likely to screw yourself up permanently. Additionally you will be more aware of what you are getting yourself into. Ok to ask questions but I'd be careful with some of the advice given. There are plenty of others that are just going off what someone told them and really have no idea.
For me, I like to know everything I can about what I am researching. This way I know the proper dosages, pros, cons etc. I'm not going to rely on someone I don't know to tell me with the possibility of getting bad advice.
Once you have done your homework then get on the forum and share your experiences and ask others for theirs.

Just my .02. Good luck with what you decide to do.

Absolutely I understand that, I'm pretty certain I've hit my maximum potential for natural growth at this stage having been working out for 6 years moderately. Not for competition or anything just to get muscle mass, the stuff I've read has. Erm misleading most of what I've seen and a lot of other guides aren't very "dumbed" down for beginners. Not saying I'm dumb but I aren't savvy with the terminology of different steroids and what they do. I do know a little which is why I came here for guidance and advice from people I can relate to rather than reading more which isn't gonna direct me personally. If you understand buddy. I wouldn't take someone's word as gospel I'd have to take expert knowledge from people who have been using it for years and that personal experience which would enable me to see if it would be suited for me also

Thanks for the sound advice though bro

 

[StephenMB]

How long have you been working out and what are your goals? Man look, im not trying to be an ass here but your a ways off and need to do a lot more research before you start this journey. You talk about "mainstream steroids" yet you know nothing about testosterone which is as main stream as it gets. The good news is this, you've found MESO which is the best board there is. Your surrounded by guys that have an incredible amount of knowledge and experience and the answers to just about all of your questions are here. The bad news, your going to have to put in the time researching and reading. No one is going to spoon feed it to you. And start by going to the new member section and introducing yourself. If you do all this then I promise you, you'll learn plenty. I know I have, and so have lots of other guys on here. Good luck to you and please, for your own saftey, continue reading before you start anything.

I've been working out for around 6 years to get to where I am now, I don't expect results overnight but would like more size and results a little faster. I know about testosterone, just wasn't sure that test was short for that, I assumed it meant an actual test cycle (trial)

I haven't started anything just yet I don't want to make a rushed decision but as I said before I have found it difficult to find dumbed down guides on the net for compete beginners, I'm not an idiot but I don't know the ins and outs. Which is why I came here for solid and reliable advice and opinions of people who are knowledgeable

 

[StephenMB]

I think you didn't do enough research lol. How long did you research for? 2hrs? [emoji85] [emoji23]

Where's the test?

Two orals to build mass? Did you're research tell you that?

I think you're looking for a spoon feed cycle.

I've researched multiple different websites, nothing extensive but I'd say total reading time of around 9 hours.

But yes the research I did lead me to a number of different options and cycles that separately told me about the different kinds to take as well as clom to stop gyno and testosterone to boost.

I'm on the right track but that's why I came to this website for guidance before I even went ahead with anything.

Most certainly didn't come here to be ridiculed and mocked by the likes of you