Russia begins invasion of Ukraine

[Hughinn]

View: https://twitter.com/rorymcevoy/status/1574390637906087936?t=qryiDJheVcxrJJNV_H5rKw&s=19

 

[Deleted member 123722]

I find it interesting how we Americans have the audacity to call anyone else dangerous war criminals when we have been at war for literally 96% of our existence; have been the only nation in history use nuclear weapons on civilian targets (when the Japanese were already ready to surrender); violate international laws constantly; invade sovereign nations constantly; commit war crimes constantly; kill our own citizens constantly; and overthrow legit governments to install those that can be used for our imperialism constantly... but if anyone wants to stop us from doing it to them, they are Hitler lol.

 

[Deleted member 123722]

Here's a video of Phil Giraldi, a former CIA intelligence officer who is an "associate" of mine during my activist years. He explains to you wtf is actually happening, since many people seem to be eating up the MSM narrative, which blows my mind, since they just lied to you about every single war in the last 80 years.


View: https://youtu.be/0l7PTFg1Rgg

 

[Deleted member 123722]

Here's another great discussion between to polisci professors about this; which tell you wtf is going on .


View: https://youtu.be/1erDZbaVtyk


People need to stop believing anything the MSM says; remember, they lied about WMDs in Iraq, gassings in Syria, Gaddafi, Vietnam, 9/11, Afghanistan, and we have been killing people since we've all been breathing.

 

[Hughinn]

Here's a good background to put the conflict in the context it belongs


View: https://youtu.be/bCyNbuz1DiE

 

[Deleted member 123722]

See the problem with the Media it starts their narrative at "PUTIN INVADES" rather than what happened 8 years before, and all the people the Israeli-backed Azo neo-Nazis killed in their horrific ways.

 

[Hughinn]

See the problem with the Media it starts their narrative at "PUTIN INVADES" rather than what happened 8 years before, and all the people the Israeli-backed Azo neo-Nazis killed in their horrific ways.

Exactly.

That @hometeam guy is a prime example.

In his mind, the entire subject started at "Putin invaded" he doesn't know anything whatsoever about the context or history involved, he's even completely ignorant of the fact Ukrain has been fighting a civil war since 2014 when the US coup installed the current ukranian government. He thinks that's ancient and irrelevant history while in reality, it's the approximate cause of the Russian invasion.

The horrifying part of it is, these horribly Ill informed and indoctrinated people make decisions based on MSM context absent propoganda designed to illicit a response that is conflict with thier own best interests. Because outside the circle of elites in Washington DC and the defence lobby, this doesn't help anybody. Especially it doesn't help the ukranian people.

And many, don't want to know the reality, even when it's presented to them.

There's little hope of a free Republic surviving these people.

 

[Hughinn]

And to the smug assed leftist "partiots" here.

You'd better get real about this before that fool an old man and your stupid DNC leaders get us into this over a shithole corrupt country thst theyve been lining thier own pickets with


View: https://youtu.be/dxJHecyYBno


And don't think for one second some kind of "star wars" missile defense will keep your smug assed safe in your suburban mansions.


Despite decades of research, development, and testing, there remains no reliably effective anti-missile system to counter intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs).

Missile Defense - Center for Arms Control and Non-Proliferation

The Center for Arms Control and Non-Proliferation webpage on the United States' national missile defense program and missile defense system

armscontrolcenter.org

All for greed

 

[Hightower]

Besides, it confounds me how do many Americans are seemingly fine with our government running around all over the country world using shadow organizations like the CIA to investigate and agitate conflicts and wars for corporate interests.

I've got news for the blue check cunts here that cheer this type of thing on : when you have shadow agencies like the CIA and FBI (domestic version of the CIA) that go around doing this type of shit and are not accountable to your elected representatives, then you don't have a democracy.

I think it's good for a lot of people to pretend it doesn't exist. I don't know, so no. Such deliberate hypocrisy. Apparently the fear that the reality will be different if they accept new information and that the government is doing evil around the world.

 

[hometeam]

I live Louisiana and if you shit on a man's lawn and he run you off with a shotgun or knocked your teeth out , you calling the police would get you a ticket for trespassing and defacing his property and advice from the sheriff's office to stay away from that man for your own good.

Here's what you don't understand: Ukraine is not Russia's back yard. It was at one time, Putin wants it to be that way again, but it is not right now.

So even if you really want to believe this "US created a coup" nonsense, Ukraine never shat in Russia's yard. We shat in Ukraine's yard. Putin would say he's being a nice guy and helping them remove the shit but you don't do that by killing 20,000 to 70,000 Ukrainians and annexing them. That's worse than what we did. He thought it would be bloodless and can't give up now, that would show weakness.

But nobody calls something a coup when parliament impeaches someone, an election is held, and the newly elected guy is only in office for 5 years until his opposition (Zelensky) is elected. There's little doubt we probably influenced it somehow, but a coup is when someone forcibly takes power and doesn't give it up.

What this is about is Russia/Putin wanting to make Ukraine's yard their yard and that's the very definition of imperialism, especially when taken by force.

 

[Deleted member 123722]

Here's what you don't understand: Ukraine is not Russia's back yard. It was at one time, Putin wants it to be that way again, but it is not right now.

So even if you really want to believe this "US created a coup" nonsense, Ukraine never shat in Russia's yard. We shat in Ukraine's yard. Putin would say he's being a nice guy and helping them remove the shit but you don't do that by killing 20,000 to 70,000 Ukrainians and annexing them. That's worse than what we did. He thought it would be bloodless and can't give up now, that would show weakness. But nobody calls something a coup when parliament impeaches someone, an election is held, and the newly elected guy is only in office for 5 years until his opposition (Zelensky) is elected.

What this is about is Russia/Putin wanting to make Ukraine's yard their yard and that's the very definition of imperialism, especially when taken by force.

It is a fact the US created a coup; it is not nonsense. Go watch the video I posted with Phil Girardli; every intelligence officer will tell you.

The US doesn't give a shit about Ukraine or the Ukrainian people; it was the most corrupt nation just a few years ago, but now it's the paragon of Western values? Lol. It is there to help us achieve our larger goals, just like every other "democracy" we create.

NATO and the US have been threatening and inching toward Russia for decades. Please stop making it seem like Russia hasn't been trying to negotiate forever to curtail our imperialism the entire time.

I'm not any side of this war, since it's engineered by the Parasitical Bankers, and only they are going to "win" in the end. Ukraine has no chance of winning at all; literally zero. If the US cared, they would do everything they can to accept Russia's terms to avoid further bloodshed. At one point Zelensky was all for it, but was told NOT TO by his handlers (NATO/US).

I just find it insane how Americans still believe our lying MSM, no matter how many time they censor the opposition and lie about them, especially promoting obvious fake propaganda like " The Ghost of Kiev" and other retarded shit.

Yes a Russian operative castrated a man on video, but did you see what the Ukrainians did to Russian POWs?

Of course not.

Stop believing the MSM; stop demonizing either side, and just ask for the end of the war....you'll see which sides resists...it's not Russia.

The fact they haven't attacked the power grid, shut off coms, destroyed vital infrastructure, like we did to Iraq, shows Putin had NO INTENTION of taking all of Ukraine, let alone ALL OF EUROPE, like these fearmongers are telling you. Yet the Media is telling you Ukraine is winning and Putin is losing.

Putin tried to do his special op, and it has limited him to the point now he has no choice but to annex these territories, then declare full on war when Ukraine attacks "Russian land."

The US/NATO knows what they are doing and how Putin will react. The US/NATO are at war with Russia right now: Sanctions are an act of war, and so is arming people killing your countrymen. This can get way worse, because Russia will not allow their borders to be violated, and it only gets worse because we keep making it worse.

Again, if we cared about Ukraine and it's people, we would have told Zelensky to negotiate and not arm Ukrainians to die in a war they can't possible win. These parts of Ukraine WANT to join Russia, and that's why there was a coup to install the puppet govt that started genociding those who wanted to go back to her.

 

[hometeam]

It is a fact the US created a coup; it is not nonsense.

What Putin is trying to do now is stage a coup in Ukraine. The US never did that. Fostering protests and making alliances is not staging a coup - it's simple politics, and it goes on in the US every day. Even bribes and blackmail is dirty politics and absolutely wrong if that happened there, but also goes on in the US every day. And in Russia for that matter.

If you want to throw the word coup around that loosely, whenever a new govt official anywhere is elected and protesters were paid, ads were run, grass roots organizations were formed - it was a coup.

 

[hometeam]

Now it's not like these protests were peaceful, they got pretty bad. But it's not like the US armed them and they occupied the capitol building and forced parliament to impeach their President at gunpoint under US orders.

 

[Hughinn]

It is a fact the US created a coup; it is not nonsense. Go watch the video I posted with Phil Girardli; every intelligence officer will tell you.

The US doesn't give a shit about Ukraine or the Ukrainian people; it was the most corrupt nation just a few years ago, but now it's the paragon of Western values? Lol. It is there to help us achieve our larger goals, just like every other "democracy" we create.

NATO and the US have been threatening and inching toward Russia for decades. Please stop making it seem like Russia hasn't been trying to negotiate forever to curtail our imperialism the entire time.

I'm not any side of this war, since it's engineered by the Parasitical Bankers, and only they are going to "win" in the end. Ukraine has no chance of winning at all; literally zero. If the US cared, they would do everything they can to accept Russia's terms to avoid further bloodshed. At one point Zelensky was all for it, but was told NOT TO by his handlers (NATO/US).

I just find it insane how Americans still believe our lying MSM, no matter how many time they censor the opposition and lie about them, especially promoting obvious fake propaganda like " The Ghost of Kiev" and other retarded shit.

Yes a Russian operative castrated a man on video, but did you see what the Ukrainians did to Russian POWs?

Of course not.

Stop believing the MSM; stop demonizing either side, and just ask for the end of the war....you'll see which sides resists...it's not Russia.

The fact they haven't attacked the power grid, shut off coms, destroyed vital infrastructure, like we did to Iraq, shows Putin had NO INTENTION of taking all of Ukraine, let alone ALL OF EUROPE, like these fearmongers are telling you. Yet the Media is telling you Ukraine is winning and Putin is losing.

Putin tried to do his special op, and it has limited him to the point now he has no choice but to annex these territories, then declare full on war when Ukraine attacks "Russian land."

The US/NATO knows what they are doing and how Putin will react. The US/NATO are at war with Russia right now: Sanctions are an act of war, and so is arming people killing your countrymen. This can get way worse, because Russia will not allow their borders to be violated, and it only gets worse because we keep making it worse.

Again, if we cared about Ukraine and it's people, we would have told Zelensky to negotiate and not arm Ukrainians to die in a war they can't possible win. These parts of Ukraine WANT to join Russia, and that's why there was a coup to install the puppet govt that started genociding those who wanted to go back to her.

Literally the first act of the post coup government in Ukraine was to ban the Russian language and remove it from the list of national languages of Ukraine.

I can't see how you couldn't expect the regions like Crimea and Donbas which are 70-90% ethnic Russian people not to see that as a hostile act towards them.

What would the heavily Hispanic southwestern States in America do if the US government was overthrown in a coup by Chinese sponsored Nazis who outlawed the Spanish language?

It's literally like they wanted this to happen every step of the Way


@hometeam sit the fuck down and shut up. You don't know what the fuck your talking about and the adults are having a discussion, take your prize and go sit in the corner

 

[Hughinn]

Now it's not like these protests were peaceful, they got pretty bad. But it's not like the US armed them and they occupied the capitol building and forced parliament to impeach their President at gunpoint under US orders.

Who are those people?

Neo Nazi leaders that orchestrated the coup with help from the US state department.

 

[Hughinn]

Now it's not like these protests were peaceful, they got pretty bad. But it's not like the US armed them and they occupied the capitol building and forced parliament to impeach their President at gunpoint under US orders.

"Oh it was just protests, it wasn't a coup" - @hometeam

Uh huh


https://moderndiplomacy.eu/2018/06/04/how-and-why-the-u-s-government-perpetrated-the-2014-coup-in-ukraine/

The Coup That Caused the Ukraine Conflict - The Goodly Lawful Society

Augusto Zimmermann Gabriël Moens March 15, 2022 Updated: March 15, 2022 biggersmaller Print Commentary According to the prevailing narrative, the Russian invasion of Ukraine must be entirely blamed on President Vladimir Putin. The narrative discloses that the Russian invasion of Ukraine was an...

thegoodlylawfulsociety.org

A US-Backed, Far Right–Led Revolution in Ukraine Helped Bring Us to the Brink of War

In 2014 Ukraine, great power gamesmanship, righteous anger at a corrupt status quo, and opportunistic far-right extremists toppled the government in the Maidan Revolution. Today’s crisis in Ukraine can’t be understood without understanding Maidan.

jacobin.com

 

[hometeam]

Literally the first act of the post coup government in Ukraine was to ban the Russian language and remove it from the list of national languages of Ukraine.

Limits were put on how much Russian could be spoken on television and books written in Russians that could be sold, but not a total ban. I think they limited it to like 25%. You keep using these weasel words. They wanted Ukraine to mostly have Ukrainian culture, and that's their right to decide as an independent country. That doesn't mean they threatened Russia or attacked Russia or started genocide or provoked a war.

"Oh it was just protests, it wasn't a coup" - @hometeam

Uh huh


https://moderndiplomacy.eu/2018/06/04/how-and-why-the-u-s-government-perpetrated-the-2014-coup-in-ukraine/

The Coup That Caused the Ukraine Conflict - The Goodly Lawful Society

Augusto Zimmermann Gabriël Moens March 15, 2022 Updated: March 15, 2022 biggersmaller Print Commentary According to the prevailing narrative, the Russian invasion of Ukraine must be entirely blamed on President Vladimir Putin. The narrative discloses that the Russian invasion of Ukraine was an...

thegoodlylawfulsociety.org

A US-Backed, Far Right–Led Revolution in Ukraine Helped Bring Us to the Brink of War

In 2014 Ukraine, great power gamesmanship, righteous anger at a corrupt status quo, and opportunistic far-right extremists toppled the government in the Maidan Revolution. Today’s crisis in Ukraine can’t be understood without understanding Maidan.

jacobin.com

Do you actually read these sources you posted? They're communist organizations. That doesn't necessarily make them wrong just because they're biased but this is not Bay of Pigs where the US govt armed a militia, trained them in the US, and sent them to remove Castro at gunpoint under US orders. They saw some unrest brewing and fanned the flames. And Zelensky was elected 5 years afterwards.

You know what? Even if there was no 2014 unrest and impeachment, Putin would've tried to annex them anyway, just like he did in Georgia and Chechnya. He's pulling these reasons for the invasion out of his ass and you're eating them up like a bag of Doritos. He's not one you should be siding with on morality.

 

[Deleted member 123722]

Limits were put on how much Russian could be spoken on television and books written in Russians that could be sold, but not a total ban. I think they limited it to like 25%. You keep using these weasel words. They wanted Ukraine to mostly have Ukrainian culture, and that's their right to decide as an independent country. That doesn't mean they threatened Russia or attacked Russia or started genocide or provoked a war.


Do you actually read these sources you posted? They're communist organizations. That doesn't necessarily make them wrong just because they're biased but this is not Bay of Pigs where the US govt armed a militia, trained them in the US, and sent them to remove Castro at gunpoint under US orders. They saw some unrest brewing and fanned the flames. And Zelensky was elected 5 years afterwards.

You know what? Even if there was no 2014 unrest and impeachment, Putin would've tried to annex them anyway, just like he did in Georgia and Chechnya. He's pulling these reasons for the invasion out of his ass and you're eating them up like a bag of Doritos. He's not one you should be siding with on morality.

Did yo not hear the audio of Victoria Nuland (NeoCon) literally discussing who we need to put into power?

We install a puppet government that is a direct threat to Russia. That govt went on a genocidal spree; what should Putin do? Sit there and let them kill Russians? What would America have done if Mexico did the same at our border?

We are in no position to even be calling any country anything; we need to mind our own business, take those billions wasted in war, and spend them on our infrastructure, education, and health care.

 

[Bataille]

The referendum results are in and accounted for. The Russian Federation has gained three new regions.

 

[Deleted member 123722]

The referendum results are in and accounted for. The Russian Federation has gained three new regions.

Well then, now Putin can literally declare a "defensive war" against Ukraine if they attack those regions. And he will use full military might, and treat all of Ukraine as a threat, rather than what he was doing focusing on those specific regions during the special operation.