Russia begins invasion of Ukraine

[hometeam]

No it means you are not insane. The only way this ends is no one wins.

He's shown his hand, he's a commie. And it's not because he's anti-war it's because he's made these statements:
"Then the US banking firms and international monetary fund will decend on Ukraine like vultures and buy up all the assets for pennies on the dollar so that Cargill or Pillsbury can sell ukranian wheat and Exxon or shell can sell ukranian gas instead of the ukranian people."
"Seig heil and ling live the banner of capitalism.
May the murderous, conniving and malevolent bastards you consider heroes continue to rob, rape and plunder the poorest people of the world for years to come."
"The translation thats more accurate is: the US will come in and set up a government that enables international corporations and world monetary funds to exploit all of your resources and reward those who help us do it....
Everyone else gets to celebrate transsexual day and woke dogmas in place of whatever sort of socially cohesive theology or practice's anybody had before, with the modern Wests, generic cookie cutter version of consumerism"
"after the fall of the Soviet Union, western banks and the international monetary fund created the environment that led to the ogliarchy in Russia"
"leading them into war against their neighbors so the ones who survive can enjoy the priveledge of earning wages working for Exxon Mobil and general Mills?"
" the corporations can take over Ukraine and they can own nothing, be nobody but have unlimited porn options and enjoy diversity celebrations"
"Ukranian people will live in a puppet state owned by US corporations and they'll be working the fields and farms they used to own for western bankers."
"All so your holy leadership can steal the resources and wealth of the poorest country in Europe."
"How well has that worked out for anybody except rich bankers and corporate globalist interests?"
"And now they're deep in debt to the most corrupt, greedy, malevolent and vindictive politicians on the planet.
"I don't know who wins this war. Whether it's Joe Biden and his globalist billionaire corporate donors and NATO armed manufacturers, or Russia."
"The real tragedy is for the Ukrainian people.
They thought they were fighting for freedom and independence, led to war by corrupt, greedy politicians of a wealthy nation that doesn't care about them in the least."

He's also made a number of homophobic, anti-transexual, traditional values comments too which makes me think he's probably a member of the Russian orthodox religion, or at least sympathizes with Russian values over Western ones. He just simply can't put the blame for this war where it belongs, it's not in him.

 

[Hughinn]

He's shown his hand, he's a commie. And it's not because he's anti-war it's because he's made these statements:
"Then the US banking firms and international monetary fund will decend on Ukraine like vultures and buy up all the assets for pennies on the dollar so that Cargill or Pillsbury can sell ukranian wheat and Exxon or shell can sell ukranian gas instead of the ukranian people."
"Seig heil and ling live the banner of capitalism.
May the murderous, conniving and malevolent bastards you consider heroes continue to rob, rape and plunder the poorest people of the world for years to come."
"The translation thats more accurate is: the US will come in and set up a government that enables international corporations and world monetary funds to exploit all of your resources and reward those who help us do it....
Everyone else gets to celebrate transsexual day and woke dogmas in place of whatever sort of socially cohesive theology or practice's anybody had before, with the modern Wests, generic cookie cutter version of consumerism"
"after the fall of the Soviet Union, western banks and the international monetary fund created the environment that led to the ogliarchy in Russia"
"leading them into war against their neighbors so the ones who survive can enjoy the priveledge of earning wages working for Exxon Mobil and general Mills?"
" the corporations can take over Ukraine and they can own nothing, be nobody but have unlimited porn options and enjoy diversity celebrations"
"Ukranian people will live in a puppet state owned by US corporations and they'll be working the fields and farms they used to own for western bankers."
"All so your holy leadership can steal the resources and wealth of the poorest country in Europe."
"How well has that worked out for anybody except rich bankers and corporate globalist interests?"
"And now they're deep in debt to the most corrupt, greedy, malevolent and vindictive politicians on the planet.
"I don't know who wins this war. Whether it's Joe Biden and his globalist billionaire corporate donors and NATO armed manufacturers, or Russia."
"The real tragedy is for the Ukrainian people.
They thought they were fighting for freedom and independence, led to war by corrupt, greedy politicians of a wealthy nation that doesn't care about them in the least."

He's also made a number of homophobic, anti-transexual, traditional values comments too which makes me think he's probably a member of the Russian orthodox religion, or at least sympathizes with Russian values over Western ones. He just simply can't put the blame for this war where it belongs, it's not in him.

Lmfao

What a sick fuck you are.

Pointing out corruption, fleecing and connivance makes me "a commie"

And putting the blame where it belongs, on everyone involved!... Makes me a "Russian asset"

What a wretched piece of shit you are. Lying and spreading bullshit.

The blame for the war is not just on Russia.

I like this take


View: https://youtu.be/TzgPJeYZaOU


But you'd never hear anything like it in western media

I don't buy the "totally unprovoked" bullshit you've been peddling nor your asanine and childish argument that "Putin is a megalomaniac cartoon supervillain bent on world domination and must be stopped at all costs" liberal line of bullshit either. We should all be past believing in the Boogeyman at this point

And that don't make me a "commie" or a "Russian bot" . Nobody buys your bullshit

 

[Hughinn]

He's shown his hand, he's a commie. And it's not because he's anti-war it's because he's made these statements:
"Then the US banking firms and international monetary fund will decend on Ukraine like vultures and buy up all the assets for pennies on the dollar so that Cargill or Pillsbury can sell ukranian wheat and Exxon or shell can sell ukranian gas instead of the ukranian people."
"Seig heil and ling live the banner of capitalism.
May the murderous, conniving and malevolent bastards you consider heroes continue to rob, rape and plunder the poorest people of the world for years to come."
"The translation thats more accurate is: the US will come in and set up a government that enables international corporations and world monetary funds to exploit all of your resources and reward those who help us do it....
Everyone else gets to celebrate transsexual day and woke dogmas in place of whatever sort of socially cohesive theology or practice's anybody had before, with the modern Wests, generic cookie cutter version of consumerism"
"after the fall of the Soviet Union, western banks and the international monetary fund created the environment that led to the ogliarchy in Russia"
"leading them into war against their neighbors so the ones who survive can enjoy the priveledge of earning wages working for Exxon Mobil and general Mills?"
" the corporations can take over Ukraine and they can own nothing, be nobody but have unlimited porn options and enjoy diversity celebrations"
"Ukranian people will live in a puppet state owned by US corporations and they'll be working the fields and farms they used to own for western bankers."
"All so your holy leadership can steal the resources and wealth of the poorest country in Europe."
"How well has that worked out for anybody except rich bankers and corporate globalist interests?"
"And now they're deep in debt to the most corrupt, greedy, malevolent and vindictive politicians on the planet.
"I don't know who wins this war. Whether it's Joe Biden and his globalist billionaire corporate donors and NATO armed manufacturers, or Russia."
"The real tragedy is for the Ukrainian people.
They thought they were fighting for freedom and independence, led to war by corrupt, greedy politicians of a wealthy nation that doesn't care about them in the least."

He's also made a number of homophobic, anti-transexual, traditional values comments too which makes me think he's probably a member of the Russian orthodox religion, or at least sympathizes with Russian values over Western ones. He just simply can't put the blame for this war where it belongs, it's not in him.

Plus, you're a conniving chickenshit motherfukker.

Because we both know all those quotes your collecting are getting reported somewhere to someone so you can be the coward you are and report me for "wrong thinking" or the like.

Because we both know it's not acceptable to you and your regime that someone doesn't parrot the party line and repeat the talking points.

Well, fuck them. And you.

 

[hometeam]

@Hughinn if the roles were reversed and Biden and the Americans were in Eastern Europe/Asia, Putin and Russians were in North America, and Biden attacked Ukraine saying he was "provoked" you would totally call out Biden for being one of the most evil "motherfukkrs" that ever walked the planet.

" the corporations can take over Ukraine and they can own nothing, be nobody but have unlimited porn options and enjoy diversity celebrations" -Hughinn

But no you just love mother Russia and the Russian way of life too much to see things objectively. And that's your prerogative. Just don't go around saying it's about being anti-war and hating your own country's corruption.

Your own video in the end says "Does this justify the war (Putin's invasion)? Absolutely not, no two ways about it" because that's about as far as one can objectively go with the provocation angle. Sure you might've upset Putin with NATO expansion but it's not a case for military action. No one would rationally argue that.

 

[Hughinn]

@Hughinn if the roles were reversed and Biden and the Americans were in Eastern Europe/Asia, Putin and Russians were in North America, and Biden attacked Ukraine saying he was "provoked" you would totally call out Biden for being one of the most evil "motherfukkrs" that ever walked the planet.

Oh bullshit.

Like I've already pointed out Americans and JFK had legitimate national security concerns with a hostile Cuban regime armed with Soviet missiles.

JFK withdrew missles from turkey after the failed bay of pigs invasion in order to address our concerns and that of the Soviet Union.

Russia has every right to consider a hostile ukranian regime, installed by the US state department and armed with NATO weapons a national security concern.

" the corporations can take over Ukraine and they can own nothing, be nobody but have unlimited porn options and enjoy diversity celebrations" -Hughinn

That's exactly what the future holds for Ukraine

But no you just love mother Russia and the Russian way of life too much to see things objectively. And that's your prerogative. Just don't go around saying it's about being anti-war and hating your own country's corruption.

Hating my own countries corruption and despising thier own actions that led to this point doesn't make me a "commie"

Being anti war is wanting my own leadership to admit thier fault in this and try to broker peace instead of agitating and escalating it every turn simply to suit thier own greedy ambitions.

Your own video in the end says "Does this justify the war (Putin's invasion)? Absolutely not, no two ways about it" because that's about as far as one can objectively go with the provocation angle. Sure you might've upset Putin with NATO expansion but it's not a case for military action. No one would rationally argue that.

Nobody says Putin was "justified" you stupid bastard.

But they doesn't mean he wasn't provoked. Because he was provoked intentionally and Ukraine was militarized by NATO intentionally and the government of Ukraine was overthrown repeatedly by the US state department in order to get to this point.

You go ahead and cheer on the corruption, the suffering and death. You're a mealy mouthed chickenshit person with no backbone anyway.

I will not cheer this bullshit on, and I will not support any American leader that does not want to broker a peace here

 

[hometeam]

Some Biden quote by @Hughinn for good measure:
"is the same one Joe Biden and the DNC are telling us now is worth WW3 and mutually assured destruction"
"Stop trying to rule the whole goddamn world It would be a better place without Joe Biden too."
"But I know enough about them, and Joe Biden to tell them all to kiss my fuckin ass. As I'd rather cut their necks than shake their hands.
Because Joe Biden doesn't get to decide where I live, what I believe and where my grandchildren will die. I won't bow before the idols of wokeness and empire"
"Joe Biden and the DNC need a Pearl harbor, and they just might stage one"
"What about Joe Biden and his group of thieves and ogliarchs? "
""Joe Biden is far more likely to be thrown out of office for this mess than Putin, and before it's all over, he just might"
"Who here thinks for one second any of the cowards in our current administration would stay in Washington while it was shelled?
Joe Biden would certainly be in a bunker somewhere eating smashed peas and shitting himself in a diaper."
"the lying corrupt bastard Joe Biden would have to admit his own fault in this situation and he won't do that. "
" Joe biden has done more damage to this country than any president since Bush. "
"Have you seen Joe Biden speak? The sack of shit has so much contempt for American people who disagree with his garbage policies"
"This shit is beyond ridiculous at this point. Joe Biden is a fuckin moron. Anybody still supporting him is a brainless, witless fuckin idiot. "
"You think Putin is the problem? Joe biden could've prevented this before it even got started"

Is Putin held to the same standard? Of course not:
"Well, Putin isn't wrong is he? Because the US has invaded multiple countries with arrogance, exceptionalism and impunity. Never facing consequences. How is what he said not the truth dumbass?"
"This guy is not Satan or Stalin.
And he does make sense"
"western banks and the international monetary fund created the environment that led to the ogliarchy in Russia, they made it legal not Putin. He came well afterwards The real thing Putin did was expel those ogliarchs that wouldn't get on board with the Russian national interests."
"You're basically making the exact stupid ass argument I told everyone here you would eventually make "Putin is a megalomaniac cartoon supervillain bent on world domination"
Because that's literally all you've got. It's stupid and childish.
Putin is a ruthless dude, but he's not Joseph Stalin."

And you just keep going on and on totally ignoring the fact that Russia that is the aggressor here, that Russia wants Ukraine to be part of Russia, and that Ukraine doesn't want to be part of Russia. Russia could stop fighting and go home at any time here, but if Ukraine stops they lose provinces or cease to exist. And that all NATO is doing here is helping them to defend themselves.

You just can't bring yourself to see that because you have too much love for mother Russia and their way of life... too much contempt for the US, capitalism, and trannies. And that's fine just don't say it's about being anti-war, anti-corruption and seeing both sides.

Oh bullshit.

Like I've already pointed out Americans and JFK had legitimate national security concerns with a hostile Cuban regime armed with Soviet missiles.

JFK withdrew missles from turkey after the failed bay of pigs invasion in order to address our concerns and that of the Soviet Union.

Nobody was giving Ukraine nuclear weapons. In fact NATO took them away from Ukraine in '94. Neighboring countries on Russia's border Estonia/Latvia have been NATO members since '04 and are closer to Moscow.

 

[Hughinn]

Some Biden quote by @Hughinn for good measure:
"is the same one Joe Biden and the DNC are telling us now is worth WW3 and mutually assured destruction"
"Stop trying to rule the whole goddamn world It would be a better place without Joe Biden too."
"But I know enough about them, and Joe Biden to tell them all to kiss my fuckin ass. As I'd rather cut their necks than shake their hands.
Because Joe Biden doesn't get to decide where I live, what I believe and where my grandchildren will die. I won't bow before the idols of wokeness and empire"
"Joe Biden and the DNC need a Pearl harbor, and they just might stage one"
"What about Joe Biden and his group of thieves and ogliarchs? "
""Joe Biden is far more likely to be thrown out of office for this mess than Putin, and before it's all over, he just might"
"Who here thinks for one second any of the cowards in our current administration would stay in Washington while it was shelled?
Joe Biden would certainly be in a bunker somewhere eating smashed peas and shitting himself in a diaper."
"the lying corrupt bastard Joe Biden would have to admit his own fault in this situation and he won't do that. "
" Joe biden has done more damage to this country than any president since Bush. "
"Have you seen Joe Biden speak? The sack of shit has so much contempt for American people who disagree with his garbage policies"
"This shit is beyond ridiculous at this point. Joe Biden is a fuckin moron. Anybody still supporting him is a brainless, witless fuckin idiot. "
"You think Putin is the problem? Joe biden could've prevented this before it even got started"

Is Putin held to the same standard? Of course not:
"Well, Putin isn't wrong is he? Because the US has invaded multiple countries with arrogance, exceptionalism and impunity. Never facing consequences. How is what he said not the truth dumbass?"
"This guy is not Satan or Stalin.
And he does make sense"
"western banks and the international monetary fund created the environment that led to the ogliarchy in Russia, they made it legal not Putin. He came well afterwards The real thing Putin did was expel those ogliarchs that wouldn't get on board with the Russian national interests."
"You're basically making the exact stupid ass argument I told everyone here you would eventually make "Putin is a megalomaniac cartoon supervillain bent on world domination"
Because that's literally all you've got. It's stupid and childish.
Putin is a ruthless dude, but he's not Joseph Stalin. And the UK has a better chance of rebuilding the British empire than Russia does the Soviet Union."

Putin is not my president.

Joe Biden is my president. And saying he's a lying corrupt bastard is a demonstrable fact. Not an opinion.

i want my president to use his power to broker a peace, and I want my leadership to stop lying and spreading conflict and war all over the world.

and that doesn't make me a "Russian sympathizer" or a "Putin apologist"

And you just keep going on totally ignoring the fact that Russia that is the aggressor here, that Russia wants Ukraine to be part of Russia, and that Ukraine doesn't want to be part of Russia. Russia could stop fighting and go home at any time here, but if Ukraine stops they lose provinces or cease to exist. And that all NATO is doing here is helping them to defend themselves.

"All NATO is doing is help them defend themselves"

What a crock of bullshit.

There's a million ways to help Ukraine without NATO.
NATO was the one thing that would provoke Russia. Which is exactly what they wanted to do.

You just can't bring yourself to see that because you have too much love for mother Russia and their way of life, too much contempt for the US.

Fuckin moron.

Criticizing the corruption of our government doesn't mean I "love Russia"

You damn fool.

Nobody was giving Ukraine nuclear weapons. In fact NATO took them away from Ukraine in '94. Neighboring countries on Russia's border Estonia/Latvia have been NATO members since '04 and are closer to Moscow.

Asanine comment

 

[MR_Midas]

I can't say for sure. But I can say the only person who has been accurate in his predictions all along is Ben Hodges, former commander of the US Army in Europe, and that's because he worked with the Russians for decades and has a very low opinion of them and so he has been the most optimistic analyst for the Ukrainians. And everything that could go right for the Ukrainians has. And he thinks the Ukrainians will push them out this Spring or Summer. Here's a video:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnYmY4IPI94


Short of absolute optimism for Ukraine, given how angry the Ukrainians are and the guarantee of aid coming in, it would go on through next year unless Putin is removed.

It is also possible the Russians round up their forces this Spring and make another run on Kiev. But that's looking less likely each day. Pro-Russian people are hoping Russia secretly mobilized more than they said they did. Both sides will probably want a breather over the winter but Ukraine's benefactors will want them to push on.

Thanks for the detailed description of your position. Special thanks for the video.

 

[MR_Midas]

Russia wants to negotiate. And has wanted to before the invasion. They've tried for decades to get somebody to listen to what they believe are serious security concerns about NATO expansion.

Unless Russia can end this decisively by next spring, I think this will go on until NATO breaks the Russian federation and starts whittling off the seperate nations one at a time just like it did after the fall of the Soviet Union.

Which is the goal of NATO and the US government anyway.

Don't listen to that stupid bastard. This was a provoked war and has strategic interest for the US government and has been a long time coming. They want this war.

Thank you too for your opinion. But I'm not sure that Russia will negotiate. The feeling that they were wrong about the weakness of the Ukrainian troops. And I think it will end badly for her.

 

[Hughinn]

Thank you too for your opinion. But I'm not sure that Russia will negotiate. The feeling that they were wrong about the weakness of the Ukrainian troops. And I think it will end badly for her.

I think Russia wanted to negotiate before the invasion.

They've been trying for twenty years to successfully negotiate a halt to NATO expansion and end to the constant coup attempts and color revolutions the US state department has continuously orchestrated the past twenty years in thier backyard.

The Russians are convinced that the ultimate objective of NATO is to destroy the Russian federation. And they have a good reason to believe that.

I also believe this ends badly for the Russian federation and once it falls, civil wars, strife and conflicts of various sorts will start all over western Asia. And NATO will pick off the seperate nations one at a time.

I don't want that outcome for the world.

I'd rather our leadership use it's power to broker peace and respect other nations ways and traditions. Not lie to them and backstab or steal.

@hometeam is a chickenshit idiot that doesn't care what his regime does because he thinks they're always right and the other side is always wrong.

I think that's a childish and bullshit way to look at it

 

[Hughinn]

Our own government lies to us and bombards us with propoganda.

Our own government commits fraud in elections and operates with bribes and blackmail

Our own government censor's criticism and violently suppresses open dissent.

Our own government wages illegal wars and unprovoked invasions of weaker countries.

 

[MR_Midas]

I think Russia wanted to negotiate before the invasion.

They've been trying for twenty years to successfully negotiate a halt to NATO expansion and end to the constant coup attempts and color revolutions the US state department has continuously orchestrated the past twenty years in thier backyard.

The Russians are convinced that the ultimate objective of NATO is to destroy the Russian federation. And they have a good reason to believe that.

I also believe this ends badly for the Russian federation and once it falls, civil wars, strife and conflicts of various sorts will start all over western Asia. And NATO will pick off the seperate nations one at a time.

I don't want that outcome for the world.

I'd rather our leadership use it's power to broker peace and respect other nations ways and traditions. Not lie to them and backstab or steal.

@hometeam is a chickenshit idiot that doesn't care what his regime does because he thinks they're always right and the other side is always wrong.

I think that's a childish and bullshit way to look at it

I think that all the same, Russia will not survive and, like other empires, it will be divided into parts. And then what, the redivision of the world based on new realities. But I would like no more people to die in this war.

 

[MR_Midas]

Our own government lies to us and bombards us with propoganda.

Our own government commits fraud in elections and operates with bribes and blackmail

Our own government censor's criticism and violently suppresses open dissent.

Our own government wages illegal wars and unprovoked invasions of weaker countries.

It seems to me that in the modern world, any government deceives its citizens in one way or another.
Russians think that they are waging a righteous war, although they attacked a foreign country. And it doesn't matter if it was provoked or not. And there are many such examples.

 

[Hughinn]

I think that all the same, Russia will not survive and, like other empires, it will be divided into parts. And then what, the redivision of the world based on new realities. But I would like no more people to die in this war.

And the redividing of the Russian federation will likely trigger countless wars and massive suffering.

After the fall of the Soviet Union, the average life expectancy of a Russian man dropped by 15 years. Thousands of people starved to death as western banks looted the industries.

I don't want to see that.

Our government doesn't care about people. Not even it's own citizens.

 

[Hughinn]

It seems to me that in the modern world, any government deceives its citizens in one way or another.
Russians think that they are waging a righteous war, although they attacked a foreign country. And it doesn't matter if it was provoked or not. And there are many such examples.

I'm not sure about that.

Russian people think they're fighting a war to hold their nation together and stop the encroachment of what they see is a hostile, belligerent western empire.

And they have every reason to believe that

It's Americans like that fuckin moron hometeam that think this some kind "holy jihad for democracy" or some kind of horseshit to that effect.


They've been down this road before with Napoleon, and two wars with Germany.

This time it's NATO, and NATOs imperialist agendas are most certainly to break the Russian federation. I don't think any reasonable person can deny that objective.

 

[hometeam]

Russian people think they're fighting a war to hold their nation together and stop the encroachment of what they see is a hostile, belligerent western empire.

No you got the theory wrong again. This theory originates with Mearsheimer and he doesn't say the Russian people saw NATO adding members as a threat or provocation, he says only that Putin did. In fact there's a disconnect between Putin and his people on this (thus the "special military operation" language), but he runs the country unopposed with no checks or balances and you go to jail for 10 yrs for opposing the war there.

Now the Russian people do believe that the war has become a NATO vs Russia war because NATO has started supporting and aiding Ukraine, and this furthers the Russia vs the world feeling going back to Ghengis Khan, Napoleon, Hitler... but they know who started the war. They know who invaded who.

As for what the soldiers believe, several were interviewed by Vice here in a conscription office:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqx_-OHE1Hk

and they mostly say they're doing it "for the motherland" or because "it's their duty." Many Russians have trouble making sense of this, and it's much more likely to be supported by the peasant rural farmer than the college educated Moscow intellectual.

 

[Hughinn]

No you got the theory wrong again. This theory originates with Mearsheimer and he doesn't say the Russian people saw NATO adding members as a threat or provocation, he says only that Putin did. In fact there's a disconnect between Putin and his people on this (thus the "special military operation" language), but he runs the country unopposed with no checks or balances and you go to jail for 10 yrs for opposing the war there.

Now the Russian people do believe that the war has become a NATO vs Russia war because NATO has started supporting and aiding Ukraine, and this furthers the Russia vs the world feeling going back to Ghengis Khan, Napoleon, Hitler... but they know who started the war. They know who invaded who.

As for what the soldiers believe, several were interviewed by Vice here in a conscription office:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqx_-OHE1Hk

and they mostly say they're doing it "for the motherland" or because "it's their duty." Many Russians have trouble making sense of this, and it's much more likely to be supported by the peasant rural farmer than the college educated Moscow intellectual.

Oh look, now the dip shit knows everything about the Russian people's depraved psyche of imperialist dreams.

You don't know shit bud.

Ain't you the goddamn idiot that said Russian people were "imperialist" and driven by the desire to "dominate weaker countries". Yup that was you.

Continuing to make yourself look stupid

Everyone knows Russia is fighting NATO, not just Ukraine.

Pretty much every western mercenary outfit in the hemisphere, Nazis, Islamic jihadis, soldiers of fortune and rebel Chechens are fighting Russia in Ukraine for Americans taxpayers money.

Making the scum of the earth rich to make the billionaire globalist elite even richer.

Congratulations you despicable wretch

 

[Hughinn]

On top of that, the most powerful countries outside of the western hemisphere have rejected the sanctions ordered by Washington DC.

G20 Declaration Says 'Most Members' Condemn Russia's Invasion of Ukraine - News From Antiwar.com

At the end of the Group of 20 summit in Bali, Indonesia, the group released a joint declaration that said "most members" condemned the Russian invasion of Ukraine but acknowledged there are differing views, as Moscow is a G20 member. The declaration reads: "Most members strongly condemned the...

news.antiwar.com

China, Indonesia, Brazil and India all refused to follow Washington DC.

Add this the Saudi Arabia thumbing it's nose at Joe Biden to produce more oil and it looks like the nation states are rallying against the globalist imperial coalition of NATO/US/UK.

It's not the place of Washington DC to rule the world.

It's doing nothing but causing war and human suffering

 

[Hughinn]

and they mostly say they're doing it "for the motherland" or because "it's their duty."

American people were saying that the Iraq war was to "defend our freedom"

How stupid is that?

Of what danger is the typical Arab peasant to the freedom of an American citizen?

Of what danger is the cartel on the Potomac to the freedom of an American citizen?

Many Russians have trouble making sense of this, and it's much more likely to be supported by the peasant rural farmer than the college educated Moscow intellectual.

Assuming that's true

It's in stark contrast to the American population, where the urban intellectual skinny jeans wearing hipsters and blue pill liberals are suddenly all about war, even though none of them would ever personally fight in one. Much less be on the front line.

And in Russia, the very people who will be on the front line support the cause.

Go figure

 

[hometeam]

American people were saying that the Iraq war was to "defend our freedom"

Yeah well that was in the past. What we have now is Russia doing everything you despise America for, and worse. And you just can't bring yourself to condemn them for it. You love the motherland too much and have too much contempt for capitalism, gays, and "urban intellectual skinny jeans wearing hipsters and blue pill liberals."

Your mind is so clouded and emotional I'm not sure you even realize what a hypocrite that makes you: when the US removes a dictator and then leaves it's stupid cartelist imperialism and the worst atrocity possible to mankind, and when Russia tries to annex a neighboring country (making them speak Russian, lose their identity as a nation, and be loyal to Putin) they were "provoked" and had their reasons and Putin is not as bad as people make him out to be. You do realize you are hardly rational or thinking straight on this, right?