Russia begins invasion of Ukraine

Putin came into power and the ogliarchs that did not recognize the Russian state took their billions and left for new York, tell Aviv and London to lobby our government to take a hostile stance towards Russia.

The ones that stayed are the people getting their boats, bank accounts and other shit siezed in European ports by the US government.
Yeah Putin got rid of the old, disloyal oligarchs and installed his own, and we all know what happened next. It wasn't the US, Citigroup Bank or Exxon Mobile that robbed the country, it was internal corruption and autocracy.

However I will say that as part of sanctions the West froze about $300 billion of Russian reserves, $30 billion in oligarch assets. And that was robbery, but they're not keeping that money it's going to Ukraine. And after what Russia has done they will need to be paying reparations.
How insolent and arrogant of cocksucker would one have to be to presume that all of the diverse and different people of the world should be ruled or guided by one form of government?
Well it takes an arrogant cocksucker like Putin to say "I and I alone will be your government." But you just love the motherland and its values too much to hold him to the same standard, and despise capitalism and gays and "urban intellectual skinny jeans wearing hipsters and blue pill liberals" too much.
 
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What I don't understand is if Ukraine is nazi why are American nazis pro Russian?
Putin kind of screwed up the messaging on this. One of his stated goals was de-nazification of Ukraine and he was very ambiguous about this. He was expecting it to be over in a few days, and wasn't expecting to have to give an explanation for this. So it's taken on many interpretations, anything from Ukraine regime change to destroying just the Azov regiment - which got a bit carried away using Nazi symbols and slogans when fighting off Russian funded/trained militias in the Donbas.

So when Russian soldiers started invading and occupying parts of Ukraine one of the things that happened was they started asking "where are the Nazis?" and that leads to "why are we here?" They invaded with a force of 150k to 200k soldiers and according to the independent Russian media project iStories more than 90,000 Russian soldiers had been killed, seriously wounded or gone missing in Ukraine, citing sources close to the Kremlin. UK intelligence puts it as 80k. The US DOD says 100k. Russia won't give their total casualty numbers but they aren't denying these numbers either.

So if you were a part of that original invasion force and you believe these numbers there's a 50/50 chance you are missing, wounded or dead. And this was a "special military operation" against Nazis? No wonder they don't want to fight. And the morale of the conscripted ones are worse. The 20k they recruited from Russian prisons are really bad. And rumor has it Putin is about to announce a full mobilization, but he can't feed and supply the ones he already has in parts of Ukraine.

So the message now is it's Russia vs NATO. But they are also up against some pretty pissed off and determined Ukrainian fighters. Ukraine mobilized 700k in May, and recently announced 200k more.
 
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Yeah Putin got rid of the old, disloyal oligarchs and installed his own, and we all know what happened next. It wasn't the US, Citigroup Bank or Exxon Mobile that robbed the country, it was internal corruption and autocracy.

You're such a delusional lying piece of shit.

Putin wasn't in power during the looting. Yeltsin was. Putin came after and put the brakes on the gravy train with overwhelming support of the Russian people

Jeffery Sachs, was one of the most economists who there in Russia during the collapse.

Not an ignorant fuck like you that just makes shit up based off propoganda he hears.

If you can read @Big_paul , you might to reconsider listening to this idiot.

The west had far more to do with raping Russia than "Putin's ogliarchs" that ignorant cocksucker @hometeam suggesting

The international monetary fund and US diplomats led the way to the most massive looting operation in history and the degredation of an entire nations people into poverty. They did it intentionally because they did not want an independent nation to emerge from the collapse of the USSR.





View: https://www.npr.org/2022/05/06/1097135961/the-day-russia-adopted-the-free-market






However I will say that as part of sanctions the West froze about $300 billion of Russian reserves, $30 billion in oligarch assets. And that was robbery, but they're not keeping that money it's going to Ukraine. And after what Russia has done they will need to be paying reparations.

I wonder what would happen if China siezed some American billionaires like Bill Gates fortune without accusing him of any crimes? Just because he had ties to the US government

What billionaire doesn't have ties to his government?

Tell me about that "autocracy" again you hypocrite bastard



Well it takes an arrogant cocksucker like Putin to say "I and I alone will be your government." But you just love the motherland and its values too much to hold him to the same standard, and despise capitalism and gays and "urban intellectual skinny jeans wearing hipsters and blue pill liberals" too much.

Putin isn't trying to rule the world.

And lots of countries don't celebrate homosexuality and degenerate group think. For that matter, most Americans don't either.

It isn't Putin trying to make the world like Russia. Its the corporate globalist interests of the west trying to create a one word corporate globalist government

View: https://twitter.com/AZgeopolitics/status/1594280101260455936?t=7DCXC-xNBAKgj8NRb9WNdQ&s=19
 
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What I don't understand is if Ukraine is nazi why are American nazis pro Russian?

Nobody is "pro Russian" Paul.

Being against a provoked proxy war and against the corruption and looting of our own government doesn't make someone "pro Nazi" or "pro Russian"

And you'd be well suited to not listen to that stupid bastard @hometeam because most of what he says is flat out bullshit.
 
Putin kind of screwed up the messaging on this. One of his stated goals was de-nazification of Ukraine and he was very ambiguous about this. He was expecting it to be over in a few days, and wasn't expecting to have to give an explanation for this. So it's taken on many interpretations, anything from Ukraine regime change to destroying just the Azov regiment - which got a bit carried away using Nazi symbols and slogans when fighting off Russian funded/trained militias in the Donbas.

More bullshit from you.

Azov call themselves Nazis and claim to be the proud grandsons of the Galacian SS black sun badge wearing Nazi regime.

Ukranian people are well aware of this

Hundreds in Ukraine attend marches celebrating Nazi SS soldiers


A straight up Nazi regimen





Celebrated by Ukraine


View: https://twitter.com/KesariDhwaj/status/1498533265430351872?t=ijbuxudJ5MxFyJwjwVi6Nw&s=19



Just another case of you spewing bullshit you literally know nothing about

So when Russian soldiers started invading and occupying parts of Ukraine one of the things that happened was they started asking "where are the Nazis?" and that leads to "why are we here?" They invaded with a force of 150k to 200k soldiers and according to the independent Russian media project iStories more than 90,000 Russian soldiers had been killed, seriously wounded or gone missing in Ukraine, citing sources close to the Kremlin. UK intelligence puts it as 80k. The US DOD says 100k. Russia won't give their total casualty numbers but they aren't denying these numbers either.

There are no reliable numbers in this.

We've been over this multiple times. You don't know anything about it.



So if you were a part of that original invasion force and you believe these numbers there's a 50/50 chance you are missing, wounded or dead. And this was a "special military operation" against Nazis? No wonder they don't want to fight. And the morale of the conscripted ones are worse. The 20k they recruited from Russian prisons are really bad. And rumor has it Putin is about to announce a full mobilization, but he can't feed and supply the ones he already has in parts of Ukraine.

Again, you're projecting bullshit you have no idea about.

Both sides are lying about the casualties.

The only certainty is that Russia has been outnumbered from day one and the heaviest casualties have been suffered by Ukraine


So the message now is it's Russia vs NATO. But they are also up against some pretty pissed off and determined Ukrainian fighters. Ukraine mobilized 700k in May, and recently announced 200k more.


We all know this is NATO vs Russia.
 
Putin isn't trying to rule the world.
He's certainly trying to rule Ukraine. And after absorbing Ukraine, then what? Suddenly you have a Westernized NATO allied Poland on their doorstep, and that's an existential threat to Russia.





View: https://www.npr.org/2022/05/06/1097135961/the-day-russia-adopted-the-free-market

Here's quotes straight from your link:
"What were they thinking? When executives at the Bank of New York saw billions of dollars floating in from the home computer of a Russian businessman with ties to organized crime there, did they
really believe that these were just ordinary profits?
The biggest money-laundering scandal in history has prompted calls for a fresh look at the role of American and IMF funds in Russia."
"It has been one debacle after another since the IMF introduced its “shock therapy” program in 1992. Like a battered spouse who sees no alternative but to return to her abuser, Russia comes back to the IMF for more credits. But the hundreds of billions that have fled the country in the 1990’s have cancelled out this “aid,” as well as the meager foreign direct investment, many times over. At the same time Russia has accumulated more than $150 billion in foreign debt, with the burden of debt service now reaching a crushing 29% of export earnings."
"Yet the Soviet Union, a country with large gold reserves, rich natural and human resources and a bloated military economy, is far from an obvious candidate for western charity. For geo-political reasons, the west may eventually be right to decide to help. But only if it is first absolutely clear that the Soviet Union intends to help itself. "

So, the Russian mob had a money laundering scheme... The IMF and US provided aid that didn't work... Russia took on some debt it could not repay... what's your complaint? That gave us Putin? No, Yeltsin gave us Putin and he later regretted it.

Putin and his oligarchs seized control of all of Russia's natural resources. The reason Russia is a poor country has nothing to do with Pepsi and McDonalds or Jeffrey Sachs.

We all know this is NATO vs Russia.
At first it wasn't. At first it was a "special military operation" against Nazis. Putin invaded with 150k to 200k soldiers and Ukraine had 250k who was only given javelin and stinger missiles. Upon invading there was no Nazis to be found, just a bunch Ukrainians fighting for the existence of their country and they were repelled from Kiev. Now Russia has gone and provoked a war with NATO, who has almost a million very pissed off Ukrainians fighting for them. So it's starting to look like Russia is going to need to go all in on this and go full mobilization and hope it doesn't break the country.

I wonder what would happen if China siezed some American billionaires like Bill Gates fortune without accusing him of any crimes? Just because he had ties to the US government
The US made the mistake in Iraq of thinking we would be welcomed and there would be no resistance. And we paid at least $330 billion in reconstruction costs. As Colin Powell famously said, "you break it, you bought it." Russia made that mistake this time. As General Milley said the other day, the chances of Russia fully annexing all of Ukraine is about 0% right now, so they're not going to willingly pay for reconstruction in areas they don't control. But by the West seizing those assets, Russia bought what they broke.
 
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He's certainly trying to rule Ukraine. And after absorbing Ukraine, then what? Suddenly you have a Westernized NATO allied Poland on their doorstep, and that's an existential threat to Russia.

There's not one single legitimate point to make that "he's trying to rule Ukraine" that just more of your bullshit.

You say one hand Russia is losing and destined to be destroyed, then you say on the other "they're trying to take over the world and Ukraine is first in line"

At least get your bullshit straight and stop contradicting yourself.


Here's quotes straight from your link:
"What were they thinking? When executives at the Bank of New York saw billions of dollars floating in from the home computer of a Russian businessman with ties to organized crime there, did they
really believe that these were just ordinary profits?
The biggest money-laundering scandal in history has prompted calls for a fresh look at the role of American and IMF funds in Russia."
"It has been one debacle after another since the IMF introduced its “shock therapy” program in 1992. Like a battered spouse who sees no alternative but to return to her abuser, Russia comes back to the IMF for more credits. But the hundreds of billions that have fled the country in the 1990’s have cancelled out this “aid,” as well as the meager foreign direct investment, many times over. At the same time Russia has accumulated more than $150 billion in foreign debt, with the burden of debt service now reaching a crushing 29% of export earnings."
"Yet the Soviet Union, a country with large gold reserves, rich natural and human resources and a bloated military economy, is far from an obvious candidate for western charity. For geo-political reasons, the west may eventually be right to decide to help. But only if it is first absolutely clear that the Soviet Union intends to help itself. "

Yes, idiot, I know
I posted the link,not you?

Did you read it, or simply copy and paste to spew nonsense?



So, the Russian mob had a money laundering scheme... The IMF and US provided aid that didn't work... Russia took on some debt it could not repay... what's your complaint? That gave us Putin? No, Yeltsin gave us Putin and he later regretted it.

Yes, the Russian mob, the IMF and the Harvard boys joined up to loot Russia. You just shot your own stupid statement right out of the water that "Putin and his ogliarchs looted Russia".


Lmfao. You've contradicted yourself yet again with your lying and bullshit.




Putin and his oligarchs seized control of all of Russia's natural resources. The reason Russia is a poor country has nothing to do with Pepsi and McDonalds or Jeffrey Sachs.

Jeffery Sachs himself was disgusted by the looting that went on and the US government participating in it.

"Putin" did not create those ogliarchs. At least not alone.
IMF, World Bank Face Tough Questions on Corruption



At first it wasn't. At first it was a "special military operation" against Nazis. Putin invaded with 150k to 200k soldiers and Ukraine had 250k who was only given javelin and stinger missiles. Upon invading there was no Nazis to be found, just a bunch Ukrainians fighting for the existence of their country and they were repelled from Kiev. Now Russia has gone and provoked a war with NATO, who has almost a million very pissed off Ukrainians fighting for them. So it's starting to look like Russia is going to need to go all in on this and go full mobilization and hope it doesn't break the country.

Jesus your such an idiot.

"Russia provoked a war with NATO"

Hundreds of posts here have repeatedly proved otherwise.

You just keep spewing lies and bullshit thinking if you repeat it enough someone will buy the shit you're shoveling

The U.S. and NATO Helped Trigger the Ukraine War.



The US made the mistake in Iraq of thinking we would be welcomed and there would be no resistance. And we paid at least $330 billion in reconstruction costs. As Colin Powell famously said, "you break it, you bought it." Russia made that mistake this time. As General Milley said the other day, the chances of Russia fully annexing all of Ukraine is about 0% right now, so they're not going to willingly pay for reconstruction in areas they don't control. But by the West seizing those assets, Russia bought what they broke.


Man you just can't help but keep making yourself look stupid.

"General milley" is the same idiot that told us the Taliban couldn't retake Afghanistan and "woke training" was essential for the US military. The guys a fuckin joke

Have you ever read a book in your goddamn life?

Anything other than party line propoganda?

The western banks looted Russia with the help of some unscrupulous local gangster's they put into power

https://www.amazon.com/Oligarchs-Wealth-Power-New-Russia/dp/1610390709#


I hope nobody is listening to this idiot.

Everything he says is lies, bullshit and propoganda.
 
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This idiot @hometeam is telling you "Putin and his ogliarchs" looted Russia after the fall of the USSR.

That's straight up horseshit.

Those ogliarchs we're created by the Harvard economists sent to "help" Russia privatize it's economy. Instead they teamed up with these gangster's and looted the nation for years.

The Harvard Boys Do Russia

If any of this looks familiar, it is. Just look at the money laundering going on in Ukraine now.




Putin was elected and immediately began to fight them for the nationalist Russian movement

How Putin Conquered Russia's Oligarchy

@hometeam is a miserable lying fool.

America has no place in this war between two corrupt Eastern European countries and we should not be sending billions of taxpayers dollars to fight a proxy war for profit
 
There's not one single legitimate point to make that "he's trying to rule Ukraine" that just more of your bullshit.

You say one hand Russia is losing and destined to be destroyed, then you say on the other "they're trying to take over the world and Ukraine is first in line"
He tried to conquer and rule Ukraine, and failed. Still is trying, still failing. What's contradictive or hard to understand about that?

Time moves in a linear fashion. Russia is weaker than they (and NATO) thought they were in February. The Russian threat to NATO was always about them annexing these former Soviet states and trying to become great again, challenge Europe again. Russia would always be a weaker country with less than half the population and economy they used to have until they've done that. And nobody expected it to be this hard for them to conquer Ukraine. Now we know.

Whether or not Putin's intentions truly are to absorb these former states doesn't really matter because you can't read his mind and after Putin's '07 Munich speech and attacking Georgia in '08 (and especially today) the West can reasonably see it as a possibility, something to contain.

Yes, the Russian mob, the IMF and the Harvard boys joined up to loot Russia. You just shot your own stupid statement right out of the water that "Putin and his ogliarchs looted Russia".
So, the Russian mob had a money laundering scheme... The IMF and US provided aid that didn't work... Russia took on some debt it could not repay... Harvard tried to help and failed... Again I don't see the problem here but this all happened in the 90's.

Again, time moves in a linear fashion. Putin became President in 99' and then he and his oligarch's took control of Russia's resources - robbed the country. What's contradictive about that? Do you have trouble following along?

Putin was elected and immediately began to fight them for the nationalist Russian movement
Then Putin installed his own oligarchs loyal to him and robbed the country blind. They're still stuck in their old ways, people like you are resistant to capitalism and "degenerative" values, Putin rules with an iron fist, they are isolated and the economy is in the abyss because of it.

Jesus your such an idiot.

"Russia provoked a war with NATO"

Hundreds of posts here have repeatedly proved otherwise.

You just keep spewing lies and bullshit thinking if you repeat it enough someone will buy the shit you're shoveling
Yes lets just forget that Russia attacked and invaded Ukraine, and this provoked a war with NATO. If you can say a country like Ukraine smaller than Russia provoked Russia with their NATO aspirations, I can certainly say a country like Russia smaller than NATO provoked NATO by invading a European country.
 
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Exactly.

And without the support of the US government, he could not have.

The suffering of the Russian people led to Vladimir Putin. Because he did bring an end to the fleecing and looting and the establishment of the Russian state.

The Russian people are not what that idiot @hometeam says about a militaristic people with a desire to rule the world.

They're just people like anyone else who want to live their lives the way they choose.

Most Americans are against the path our own government has taken. As are most Russian people.

The people of America, Russia and Ukraine are not enemies of each other. It's the corrupt governments and globalist billionaire corporate donors to those governments that want war.

And it's all to rob all the people of their respective livelihoods and reduce us all to serfdom.

The Russian people know this as well as anybody.

I say that if you cannot openly stand against them, then I understand. But for the love of humankind and God, if you believe in an everlasting soul, then don't stand with them.

People do not need to die and kill each other for the benifit of the elites actively trying to own the world
agree about the people. I have friends from Ukraine, Russia, Kazakhstan. Great guys and wish you all the best and peace. In general, I am for peace and against people dying.
 
@MR_Midas Actually Putin was hand picked by Yeltsin to be his successor, a decision he regretted later in life. When Clinton first met Putin he got bad vibes from Putin, this guy was a Russian mobster who wasn't going to ever leave office.

When a Russian commie sees capitalism coming to a country they'll say "look at the bankers and corporations raping our people, robbing our country." But in this case they rejected new ways and it was Putin and the oligarchs who robbed the country. And Clinton wasn't keen on helping another despotic dictator led Russia. Later that day after meeting Putin he met Yeltsin, looked hard into his eyes, said "I'm concerned about this young man you have turned over the Presidency to. He doesn't have democracy in his heart." And he poked Yeltsin in the chest by the heart. Then Clinton went home.

Here's a 90 second long clip about it:

View: https://m.facebook.com/watch/?v=10156508353846950

How accurate is this information? I did not find at one time that Yeltsin regretted his choice
 
He tried to conquer and rule Ukraine, and failed. Still is trying, still failing. What's contradictive or hard to understand about that?

Time moves in a linear fashion. Russia is weaker than they (and NATO) thought they were in February. The Russian threat to NATO was always about them annexing these former Soviet states and trying to become great again, challenge Europe again. Russia would always be a weaker country with less than half the population and economy they used to have until they've done that. And nobody expected it to be this hard for them to conquer Ukraine. Now we know.

Whether or not Putin's intentions truly are to absorb these former states doesn't really matter because you can't read his mind and after Putin's '07 Munich speech and attacking Georgia in '08 (and especially today) the West can reasonably see it as a possibility, something to contain.
Probably the worst thing is the unpredictable actions of Mr. Putin. After all, what can he do next if he continues to suffer bad luck in Ukraine. I don't want to think about the nuclear button.
 
He tried to conquer and rule Ukraine, and failed. Still is trying, still failing. What's contradictive or hard to understand about that?

Time moves in a linear fashion. Russia is weaker than they (and NATO) thought they were in February. The Russian threat to NATO was always about them annexing these former Soviet states and trying to become great again, challenge Europe again. Russia would always be a weaker country with less than half the population and economy they used to have until they've done that. And nobody expected it to be this hard for them to conquer Ukraine. Now we know.

Whether or not Putin's intentions truly are to absorb these former states doesn't really matter because you can't read his mind and after Putin's '07 Munich speech and attacking Georgia in '08 (and especially today) the West can reasonably see it as a possibility, something to contain.


So, the Russian mob had a money laundering scheme... The IMF and US provided aid that didn't work... Russia took on some debt it could not repay... Harvard tried to help and failed... Again I don't see the problem here but this all happened in the 90's.

Again, time moves in a linear fashion. Putin became President in 99' and then he and his oligarch's took control of Russia's resources - robbed the country. What's contradictive about that? Do you have trouble following along?


Then Putin installed his own oligarchs loyal to him and robbed the country blind. They're still stuck in their old ways, people like you are resistant to capitalism and "degenerative" values, Putin rules with an iron fist, they are isolated and the economy is in the abyss because of it.


Yes lets just forget that Russia attacked and invaded Ukraine, and this provoked a war with NATO. If you can say a country like Ukraine smaller than Russia provoked Russia with their NATO aspirations, I can certainly say a country like Russia smaller than NATO provoked NATO by invading a European country.

Where is your proof he wants to "rule Ukraine" jackass?

By your same logic, the US tried to "rule Iraq" and "rule Afghanistan" but "failed miserably"

Dumb fuck. Where'd you hear that horseshit? General milley? Lmfao

I found a picture of @hometeam

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@hometeam retarded prick - "but, but, but.... Putin is a megalomaniac cartoon supervillain bent on world domination and Russia is an imperialist invading power trying to take over the world"





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Uh huh
 
Where is your proof he wants to "rule Ukraine" jackass?
Putin believes in "russky mir" which means when Russia invades your country they they say "now you are part of the Russian federation. You are now subject to: one language (Russian), one religion (Orthodoxy), one leader (Putin)."

Like I've told you several times now, Russian imperialism is much different than US imperialism. When Russian troops descended on Kiev, Putin was probably planning on replacing Zelensky with his puppet Yanukovych - who would be loyal to Putin. He already had talks with the Trump administration about trilateral talks to make the Donbas independent and run by Yanukovych. But ultimately Ukraine would now speak Russian and be ruled by Putin, with daily tasks delegated to Yanukovych.


 
@hometeam moron - "this Ukraine war has been good for America"

Uh huhScreenshot_20220511-093258~2.png


@hometeam idiot - "but if you're a Russian troll if you don't support sending billions of taxpayers dollars to a corrupt Eastern European ogliarchy that bribed Joe Biden"

Because...
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Stupid bastard @hometeam :

"And zekensky is a hero, and it doesn't matter that he's banned all opposition in Ukraine and committed his country to war because history will remember him a a hero"

Uh huh...a hero indeed. Just like the rest of them..
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