Russia begins invasion of Ukraine

[hometeam]

Saying that Joe Biden personally was bribed by Ukrainian ogliarchs and has participated personally in this matter every step of the way is not a conspiracy theory. It's a documented fact

No. Not at all. Now, Joe Biden was head of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee for 12 yrs and was Obama's point man on Russia for 8 years because Putin didn't seem to like dealing with a black President or Bill Clinton's wife, but participating every step is a stretch.

It is interesting that both Trump and Biden have been accused of being compromised by the Russians or the Ukrainians though. Of course, the Mueller investigation didn't indict Trump and Biden hasn't been linked to his son's lobbying career. Even if they had, it doesn't mean they wanted this war and did a Jedi mind trick on Putin to make him invade... it's so far removed from some arms deal conspiracy.

It's pretty clear, by his own words, that Putin sees Ukraine as part of Russia, or at least part of his sphere of influence, and didn't want to lose it:

On the Historical Unity of Russians and Ukrainians - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

But, yeah I get that someone like you who has been on an anti-Biden internet binge for 2 years, 6000+ posts, multiple bannings, would want to point to this and say "hey, don't vote for Biden." And that's totally reasonable, don't vote for him if you don't like it. But to say he caused this, it was intentional, he did nothing to stop it, and he's the only thing preventing a peace agreement would be some pure fantasy that doesn't hold up to scrutiny because there's proof to show otherwise.

And then to go on and say the dictator who just invaded a European country for the first time in 80 years is not so bad, you're overboard on your criticism of him, it's Biden that is so bad - he's a threat to our life and liberty. To use scare tactics that Ukraine is running out of soldiers and our boys are next. It comes from someone who has gone too far.

Saying that the war in Ukraine is a product of a long history of US intervention into foreign politics and monetary interests is not "a conspiracy theory". It's a demonstrable fact.

What are you talking about? Of course you can't demonstrate that as a fact. It's a problem when you can't separate fact from fantasy.

And wanting the war over as fast as possible, no matter how it ends, to stop further death and suffering is not "wanting Russia to win". It's wanting to end suffering

Then triple the aid, push the Russians out. But all that matters to you is Joe Biden's re-election chances.

 

[Hughinn]

All while idiots cheered because those poor Iraqi people "hated our freedom" and CNN told them those poor people were "hiding weapons of mass destruction"

Both were hideous lies that stupid people believed.

This was the result

And unless you're confused, those are not "military targets"




View: https://twitter.com/TaskandPurpose/status/1637454287293775873?t=wS0teGu7Pq4_Ish_zqd9CQ&s=19

 

[hometeam]

All while idiots cheered because those poor Iraqi people "hated our freedom" and CNN told them those poor people were "hiding weapons of mass destruction"

Both were hideous lies that stupid people believed.

This was the result

And unless you're confused, those are not "military targets"




View: https://twitter.com/TaskandPurpose/status/1637454287293775873?t=wS0teGu7Pq4_Ish_zqd9CQ&s=19

And what you can't seem to get through your head, was that was 20 years ago. Russia is doing that today, not us. Where is your condemnation of Russia?

It's just so negative and angry, and it's in the past. I was probably a much bigger opponent of invading Iraq than you were. But we didn't invade this time, Russia did.

 

[Hughinn]

Now Poland is considering entering the war.

They're exhausted on weapons and ammunition from supplying it to Ukraine , but I'm sure Washington would be willing to finance them in order to keep the war going.

Poland would love to own part of Ukraine.

It seems the sharks are circling and nobody can be trusted.

Washington has looted it's own allies in the past and would not hesitate to do so again


View: https://twitter.com/vicktop55/status/1637520413713473539?t=9F4BjjkvjcePi4A9QyVnpQ&s=19

 

[Hughinn]

 

[Hughinn]

Someone on this board posted this from 2015

What's going on in Russia?

Crimeans Keep Saying No to Ukraine March 22, 2015 Exclusive: In a rare moment of honesty, a Western news outlet, Forbes, admits that the people of Crimea expressed their legitimate will in last year’s referendum when they voted to abandon Ukraine and rejoin Russia, an inconvenient truth for...

thinksteroids.com

 

[hometeam]

Now Poland is considering entering the war.

They're exhausted on weapons and ammunition from supplying it to Ukraine , but I'm sure Washington would be willing to finance them in order to keep the war going.

Poland would love to own part of Ukraine.

It seems the sharks are circling and nobody can be trusted.

Washington has looted it's own allies in the past and would not hesitate to do so again


View: https://twitter.com/vicktop55/status/1637520413713473539?t=9F4BjjkvjcePi4A9QyVnpQ&s=19

Their neighbors were invaded and a missile landed on their territory, of course they are on high alert. NATO members Hungary, Slovakia, and Romania also border Ukraine and are on high alert too. We have a handful of US military bases in the area too. Now you see why an invasion of one country can affect another which can affect another, and why Russia can't be allowed to occupy Ukraine.

If Russia was to start winning and marching towards Lviv it's hard to say what, if anything, Poland would do. Ukraine has been becoming part of Europe, Westernizing like Poland. But Poland wouldn't want Lviv to be Russia. But it's a bit premature to talk about that since Russia still doesn't control Bakhmut yet, let alone Kiev, Kharkiv or Odessa. Lviv would be last to be captured after all those.

But Russia's disinformation campaign has been pushing this narrative hard:

https://carnegieendowment.org/politika/88585

"In the Kremlin’s twisted logic, Ukraine is an artificial construct, and only Russia—as the successor of the country that once granted Ukraine its current borders by seizing land from its neighbors—can now ensure the inviolability of Ukraine’s western territories.
The Russian leadership has repeatedly made the outlandish claim that Poland is preparing to annex territories in western Ukraine. Foreign Intelligence Service (SVR) director Sergei Naryshkin recently made this assertion, and he was not the first to do so. Over the past months, Russian President Vladimir Putin several times stated that the idea of absorbing Ukraine is still alive and well in Poland, while Security Council Secretary Nikolai Patrushev warned that Warsaw “is already making moves to seize western Ukrainian territories.”

 

[hometeam]

I heard a story that some Russian soldiers were told at the time of the invasion that Poland had invaded Ukraine and they would be fighting Polish soldiers not Ukrainians.

The Russians also created a fake Polish order to invade Ukraine and spread it online:

View: https://twitter.com/DGeneralneRSZ/status/1521424726622617601?s=20

 

[Hughinn]

It could easily be argued, with merit, that Ukraine is more authoritarian than Russia.

And certainly not a shining beacon of democracy.

All this was done with Washington's approval

Why did Ukraine suspend 11 ‘pro-Russia’ parties?

The suspensions have more to do with political polarisation than genuine security concerns related to the invasion.

www.aljazeera.com

"One year ago, for example, the government sanctioned Viktor Medvedchuk, soon after polls started to show that his party may have more public support than Zelenskyy’s “People’s Servant” party and could overtake him in a future election. At the time, the sanctions against Medvedchuk and his TV stations were also endorsed by the US Embassy in Ukraine. Several analysts have since speculated that those sanctions may have been among the factors that led Putin to begin preparations for the war, by convincing him that Russia-friendly politicians would never be allowed to win an election in Ukraine"

That's certainly not how a democracy works

 

[Hughinn]

But, but, but,


It's all up to the Ukrainians

Uh huh


View: https://twitter.com/Glenn_Diesen/status/1637702506120609795?t=Y5E7lmVyvYWE2Z83-gkE3Q&s=19

 

[NorthMich]

You’ve seen that Hugh is a never ending well of cut and paste bullshit

 

[hometeam]

You’ve seen that Hugh is a never ending well of cut and paste bullshit

Yeah I though Fox News was a bunch of liars. But seriously, if Ukraine was getting crushed and running out of soldiers and our boys were next do you think Washington would oppose a ceasefire? The audacity of these scare tactics. The ISW has been saying for awhile that a ceasefire would only benefit the Russians.

There's been a lot of skepticism that China could be neutral, in peace talks. If Zelensky was a Washington puppet do you think he'd be talking to them today? After they sent weather balloons over our country and declined to give us our weather forecast?

 

[Hughinn]

"Xi’s trip to Moscow marks his most ambitious effort yet to play the role of peacemaker as he seeks to broker an end to Russia’s war in Ukraine. Kyiv has been cool to Beijing’s plan, while the US and its allies have rejected it outright"


In other words, Washington is not going to let China broker a peace in Ukraine.

Xi Arrives in Moscow, Giving Putin Boost Amid War in Ukraine

Chinese President Xi Jinping arrived in Moscow for talks with Vladimir Putin including on Beijing’s proposals to end the war in Ukraine.

time.com

 

[hometeam]

In other words, Washington is not going to let China broker a peace in Ukraine.

If Washington had a veto, Zelensky wouldn't even be meeting Xi. But ideally Washington would want someone else brokering peace, yes.

 

[Hughinn]

Of course, this isn't the first time Washington has sabotaged opportunities for peace talks in Ukraine

Caitlin Johnstone: The West's Sabotage of Peace in Ukraine

Or even sabotaging thier own allies economic relationship with Russia to prevent peace talks in Ukraine

How America Took Out The Nord Stream Pipeline

Since Washington is funding the Ukrainian government, paying everybody's salaries and pensions and financing thier war. It becoming obvious that Washington doesn't want peace in Ukraine. As Washington holds the ultimate veto in the form of paying lucrative pensions and financing thier entire government.

 

[Hughinn]

Of course, it shouldn't surprise anybody that the same people who helped create the conflict, are the same people who don't want to see it resolved

How Joe Biden Helped Create The Crisis Over Ukraine

With respect to U.S. policy toward Ukraine, it now is fairly certain that American military forces are not likely to become involved directly.

www.cato.org

 

[Hughinn]

Y'all remember the last crusade against a "facist dictator, megalomaniac cartoon supervillain bent on world domination"


View: https://twitter.com/StefSimanowitz/status/1620124404637114368?t=7FadGqsNDDFulL4CuJpAYA&s=19



How'd that turn out?

 

[hometeam]

Of course, this isn't the first time Washington has sabotaged opportunities for peace talks in Ukraine

Caitlin Johnstone: The West's Sabotage of Peace in Ukraine

Very disingenuous and sneaky, quite frankly: an article from an extremist website, that references another article that says the former Israeli PM wanted to host peace talks back in March 2022 but he thinks countries in the West opposed it. And it leaves out the fact that peace talks were already going on in Belarus and Turkey fully supported by Washington.

 

[hometeam]

One thing about a ceasefire that Frederick Kagan of the Institue for the Study of War (ISW) talks about:

View: https://youtu.be/akjuYLUvrME?t=232

"The Russian lodgement on the West bank of the Dnipro river (by Kherson) is critical. If the Russians retain that lodgement at the end of some kind of agreement/ceasefire then they would be able to prepare a future invasion of Ukraine that would be very, very hard for the Ukrainians to stop. But if the Ukrainians can push them more to Crimea then the Russians would be in a much less advantageous position for a future invasion. -Frederick Kagan

They don't believe with Putin's goals and worldview that you get a peace agreement and this just ends forever. What you get is Russia rebuilding their military and another attack on Kiev in a few years, especially if Russia wasn't deterred and paid a heavy price for this.

 

[hometeam]

View: https://youtu.be/aVTR5ZKK-Mg?t=5480

"I think a lot of people still imagine that this war "ends" and then we can somehow go back to "normal." Normal involves lifting sanctions and buying Russian oil and in this fairy tale Ukraine gets territory back and Putin accepts that. The one thing I'm confidant of is that will not be true. We have crossed a watershed moment.

Putin's Russia has been an express enemy of the United States for a very long time now, in the sense that he says that we are his enemy. He has said that across multiple administrations that have promised to do resets with him. "Putinism" will survive Putin absent a fundamental revolution in Russia. It will be a trick to keep this war cold. We shouldn't assume that this will land permanently in a cold war environment, it's not cold now. Over time Russia will rebuild it's military, and may well challenge NATO again, and more directly." -Fred Kagan (ISW)