Test and anvar cycle at 23, how dumb is it?

[thoroughlyconfused]

As I've said in other posts I'm pretty heavily injured. I'm doing all the right things pt nutrition etc wise but struggling to make progress. I want a boost. Obviously will be doing more bpc 157 and tb500 and possibly lower dosed hgh

But how stupid would doing 300 MG of test and low dose anvar for 12 weeks be at the age of 23? What are the risks of permanent suppression with this? I'd like to be able to return to being 'natural' after.

And what's the risk of any other serious side effects or facial aging with this route

Obviously will get pre and during blood tests aswell if I go this route.

I'm also on Finasteride and slowly transitioning to dutasteride and on oral Minoxidil, not sure how extreme with would be on hairloss?

Edit: also my natural test level albiet tested like a year back is 670

 

[thoroughlyconfused]

You've been told about 50 times now.

It wouldn't help.

Get over it.

resending my comment to be nicer cause I thought U were the other dude

Don't know why you're being a dick all of a sudden. Someone asked for my bloods and I gave it. I've been sitting here patiently waiting for the long write up of advice you said you did too so idk why you're being a dick im not even asking about test anymore

 

[thoroughlyconfused]

No compound will not address your shoulder instability. TB will not reduce inflammation of the inflamed but not injured tendon.

I usually do 1mg TB, + 1mg BPC lol. For post surgery/ serious injuries. Or 1mg spread over a week for minor ones. So I don’t think that’s a lot to be honest. I’ve seen people use much more, not that I am advising it. If you seriously saw nothing over 12 weeks you need to seriously consider legitimacy of the compound you have been injecting. It should show a clear improvement if it’s real. Unless you’re also doing stuff to set recovery back. Also for example if you thought tb will treat your biceps tendinitis there is a real amount of improper treatment based on the assessment going on, on your end

We can't discuss sources here so I don't think I can say but they were the most regarded place in the underground form for ages and hard janoski testing so I'd assume it was legit. But yeah idk if it helped me at all

I'm being pretty careful with the injuries. But I only did it when I had the tfcc tear I haven't tried it with the knee or shoulder yet. The shoulders a difficult one thought. Need to strengthen the rhomboids scapula etc to try and bring the shoulder back and take the stress of the bicep tendon but a lot of the exercises for that flair up the tendontis

 

[Banana Joe]

My diets great ... only got overweight because I've been in a consistent caloric surplus while injured trying to promote healing. ...
I got up to 100 kg bench 280 kg leg press and 150 kg squat.
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As far as your lifts go. A guy, who had 80kg on the bar for reps, once asked me for advice. Once I had him doing full range of motion, slowed down the speed of each rep, proper cadence and a few other tweaks, he was down to 40kg, at pretty much the same amount of reps.

If you squat 150kg - can you go down ass to the grass (as in your hamstrings touching your calves) with 2/3 of that weight, sit there for 20sec and then go up again in a slow and controlled manner, with no strong acceleration at any point of the movement?
Because if you can't do that, I don't see you squatting 150kg.

Regarding your diet and controlled caloric surplus to promote healing:
Nobody, I repeat nobody, that goes to the gym everyday, let alone has the genetics to go pro next year (your words, not mine), has every gained 40lbs of fat, if his diet is GREAT. I likely don't have the genetics to become a professional, but after I did fuck all after my surgeries, and got skinnyfat, I did pretty much what you described, though my diet was only good, certainly not great. But I GAINED muscle and LOST fat on a high-ish TRT dose (150, 175mg?!)

Nothing of what you write adds up, nothing. I assume you are not trolling, but if you aren't, you are so delusional, that I would recommend seeking out some kind of counseling.


PS: I only wrote that post for my own entertainment, and did not in any way shape or form, just entertain the thought of handing out good advice to someone.

 

[malomkarom]

As far as your lifts go. A guy, who had 80kg on the bar for reps, once asked me for advice. Once I had him doing full range of motion, slowed down the speed of each rep, proper cadence and a few other tweaks, he was down to 40kg, at pretty much the same amount of reps.

If you squat 150kg - can you go down ass to the grass (as in your hamstrings touching your calves) with 2/3 of that weight, sit there for 20sec and then go up again in a slow and controlled manner, with no strong acceleration at any point of the movement?
Because if you can't do that, I don't see you squatting 150kg.

Knowing how people leg press, I am not even going to say anything about those 280kg, except that I did double that and my squat was more like pretty much in the weight range you just claimed.

Regarding your diet and controlled caloric surplus to promote healing:
Nobody, I repeat nobody, that goes to the gym everyday, let alone has the genetics to go pro next year (your words, not mine), has every gained 40lbs of fat, if his diet is GREAT. I likely don't have the genetics to become a professional, but after I did fuck all after my surgeries, and got skinnyfat, I did pretty much what you described, though my diet was only good, certainly not great. But I GAINED muscle and LOST fat on a high-ish TRT dose (150, 175mg?!)

Nothing of what you write adds up, nothing. I assume you are not trolling, but if you aren't, you are so delusional, that I would recommend seeking out some kind of counseling.

You just proved his point of meso members not reading what they are reacting to.

He is not powerlifting or bodybuilding.

It becoming just that after the cycle would be over is a different topic. For now he wants to recover from injuries. Not sure what difference squatform with 150kgs has to do with anything here.

Kids a fucking boxer wishing to turn pro after a handful of life altering injuries. He's not gonna squat 150 ever in his life with any form ever again if he doesn't get his shit fixed under the knife before blasting PEDs for something they are not good at. Hell, probably not even after surgeries.

 

[thoroughlyconfused]

As far as your lifts go. A guy, who had 80kg on the bar for reps, once asked me for advice. Once I had him doing full range of motion, slowed down the speed of each rep, proper cadence and a few other tweaks, he was down to 40kg, at pretty much the same amount of reps.

If you squat 150kg - can you go down ass to the grass (as in your hamstrings touching your calves) with 2/3 of that weight, sit there for 20sec and then go up again in a slow and controlled manner, with no strong acceleration at any point of the movement?
Because if you can't do that, I don't see you squatting 150kg.

Regarding your diet and controlled caloric surplus to promote healing:
Nobody, I repeat nobody, that goes to the gym everyday, let alone has the genetics to go pro next year (your words, not mine), has every gained 40lbs of fat, if his diet is GREAT. I likely don't have the genetics to become a professional, but after I did fuck all after my surgeries, and got skinnyfat, I did pretty much what you described, though my diet was only good, certainly not great. But I GAINED muscle and LOST fat on a high-ish TRT dose (150, 175mg?!)

Nothing of what you write adds up, nothing. I assume you are not trolling, but if you aren't, you are so delusional, that I would recommend seeking out some kind of counseling.


PS: I only wrote that post for my own entertainment, and did not in any way shape or form, just entertain the thought of handing out good advice to someone.

This might be dumb bro science shit but would slowing down massively not train slow twitch fibres? Again idk that might be pure bro science bs. But I'm trying to gain strength while avoiding muscle gain

But yeah I'ma be super form focused and careful once healed loads of stretching warming up avoiding failure training like a bitch I really do not want to be injured again

I mean idk? I can't squat shit rn? My knees are fucked

I'm obviously not in the gym every single day that's hyperbole I'm in 5 days a week once per day. I was training twice a day prior to injuries plus farm work but that obviously wasn't lifting

And I didn't gain 40 pounds I was estimating I was 40 pounds above being shredded. When I got injured I was already 15 ish pounds off fight weight and I have lost shitloads of muscle while being injured while staying in a surplus because obviously haven't been doing real training

Professional in what? Are you talking about bodybuilding? Cause if that's Ur jam that's cool but I have quite literally 0 interest in bodybuilding or going pro in that, nor do I have the genetics to go pro in that my insertions are attrocious for that sport.

You don't seem to be understanding I've never taken test at all. I wasn't gaining weight while blasting. I was in a surplus while injured mostly natural. Did some bpc tb500 and a tesa and IPA

What I'm saying completely adds up I just think you may have misunderstood what I'm saying

 

[thoroughlyconfused]

You just proved his point of meso members not reading what they are reacting to.

He is not powerlifting or bodybuilding.

It becoming just that after the cycle would be over is a different topic. For now he wants to recover from injuries. Not sure what difference squatform with 150kgs has to do with anything here.

Kids a fucking boxer wishing to turn pro after a handful of life altering injuries. He's not gonna squat 150 ever in his life with any form ever again if he doesn't get his shit fixed under the knife before blasting PEDs for something they are not good at. Hell, probably not even after surgeries.

This is what I'm trying to say. People keep giving me shit while acting like a complete idiot while talking about stuff that has literally nothing to do with what I've said

The whole reason I didn't do a big write up about my full injury history. Everything I've tried is because people aren't reading my stuff to begin with let alone if I write 5 paragraphs

Doctors and physio I talk to seem to be trying to avoid me getting surgery and aren't giving me advice in what surgeries I do need if any and I'm seeing multiple..these injuries feel complicated and I'm struggling to find what to do

It's why I seriously appreciate any real advise given and am excited to see your long comment when it comes through. I seriously appreciate anyone giving me legit advice

 

[Banana Joe]

You just proved his point of meso members not reading what they are reacting to.

He is not powerlifting or bodybuilding.

It becoming just that after the cycle would be over is a different topic. For now he wants to recover from injuries. Not sure what difference squatform with 150kgs has to do with anything here.

Wrong.

He claimed a "great diet", which objectively can't be true if he gained 40lbs of fat and still is in the gym almost everyday. I don't need to have ever boxed in my life, to know you don't get fat if you do any kind of cardio, do active rehab, prehab, mobility etc.
I just wrote that I did the EXACT same thing, and I doubt my recovery program, after shoulder surgery, was a lot different than his. I was there for hours a day to get everything done.

Neither wrist surgery, nor a knee injury stop you from training at least 70-80% of your bod - in a manner that will not slow down or reverse healing.

And when he claim to be this strong, by saying you squat 150kgs, to prove that he is doing everything right - despite the absolutely disastrous results - it is expected that some people will have a hard time believing that claim.
I could also claim to be squatting double that, because I put that weight on the bar, went down a bit, and then went up again. But that would NOT be a squad.

Kids a fucking boxer wishing to turn pro after a handful of life altering injuries.

No, he is a delusional, smug know-it-all, out to harm himself even further with drugs, that he no business to even think about, who has nothing to show for, based on what he revealed about himself so far.

 

[malomkarom]

Doctors and physio I talk to seem to be trying to avoid me getting surgery and aren't giving me advice in what surgeries I do need if any and I'm seeing multiple..these injuries feel complicated and I'm struggling to find what to do

It's why I seriously appreciate any real advise given and am excited to see your long comment when it comes through. I seriously appreciate anyone giving me legit advice

You clearly need surgeries if you wish to continue with sports. It's really not up for debate and as it's your body thus your decision the shouldn't be advising you to give up on life. Most of those injuries can not heal without surgery. At all. Not to a barely livable point, not any more, not any less. If it's not repaired yoU'll stay like this forever.


My comment got through in the meantime but surprisingly got posted on like page 1 I think, I'll just quote it here, it's just a prolonged "don't do it" anyways.

Dude, it's one thing to work around injuries, but hopping on gear for how fucked up you are is straight up retarded. Get everything surgically fixed first. Heal enough to not be insnufferable taking a simple step.

You are way too gone to force through it. If you want, pump some light shit to help improve bloodflow if you can, but anything more is stupid.

Anavar and test won't change that. They can help when you have 1 singular injury you're trying to work on, not when you are incapable of getting through a workout.

I wish you a fast a smooth recovery but you are doing yourself serious disservice by hopping on cycle now.


Man I miss my hair... Used to be so thick and lushes my barber had to sharpen her tools multiple times a cut.

Now I can't get anything more than a slightly longer buzz cuz with some fades.
I literally could've been a hair model and it all went away and never returned after 2-3 months.

 

[malomkarom]

No, he is a delusional, smug know-it-all, out to harm himself even further with drugs, that he no business to even think about, who has nothing to show for, based on what he revealed about himself so far.

Agreed. You completely missed the point again with the rest of your post but that seems to be the pattern with you.

 

[Banana Joe]

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Agreed. You completely missed the point again with the rest of your post but that seems to be the pattern with you.

Wrong again (except the very first word).

Feel free to point where I missed that point, that you claim I keep missing. Must be the same point everyone else is missing in this thread.
And even if I missed something, I read enough to figure out that nothing in this guy's story makes any sense, so I will repeat it once again for you:

Nobody, that is going to turn pro next year, gains 40lbs of fat to promote healing, while being in the gym everyday AND having a great diet.
This is factually impossible, if his (upcoming?!) wrist surgery didn't also suddenly screw up his entire metabolism and hormones...

 

[malomkarom]

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Wrong again (except the very first word).

Feel free to point where I missed that point, that you claim I keep missing. Must be the same point everyone else is missing in this thread.
And even if I missed something, I read enough to figure out that nothing in this guy's story makes any sense, so I will repeat it once again for you:

Nobody, that is going to turn pro next year, gains 40lbs of fat to promote healing, while being in the gym everyday AND having a great diet.
This is factually impossible, if his (upcoming?!) wrist surgery didn't also suddenly screw up his entire metabolism and hormones...

Yet again this comment wouldn't have been posted had you read the context.

Anyways, I'll just ignore you. Haven't seen a single post of yours that had any sense. Have a good one mate, I'd rather help people than argue with roomtemp iq.

You're just shitting on his bodycomp and not even touching on the topic.

 

[Banana Joe]

...Have a good one mate, I'd rather help people than argue with roomtemp iq.

You're just shitting on his bodycomp and not even touching on the topic.

His bodycomp alone is proof that nothing in his posts makes any sense. But you are right, anyone with above roomtemp (Celcius, not Fahrenheit!) would grasp that.
And trust me, that insult does not hurt, as I can tell with absolute certainty, who is the one having a hard time grasping very simply concepts. You have proven that before, when being ecstatic about a ChatGPT-bot shilling discount codes for overpriced TRT in this forum.

Have a good one as well!

 

[thoroughlyconfused]

Wrong.

He claimed a "great diet", which objectively can't be true if he gained 40lbs of fat and still is in the gym almost everyday. I don't need to have ever boxed in my life, to know you don't get fat if you do any kind of cardio, do active rehab, prehab, mobility etc.
I just wrote that I did the EXACT same thing, and I doubt my recovery program, after shoulder surgery, was a lot different than his. I was there for hours a day to get everything done.

Neither wrist surgery, nor a knee injury stop you from training at least 70-80% of your bod - in a manner that will not slow down or reverse healing.

And when he claim to be this strong, by saying you squat 150kgs, to prove that he is doing everything right - despite the absolutely disastrous results - it is expected that some people will have a hard time believing that claim.
I could also claim to be squatting double that, because I put that weight on the bar, went down a bit, and then went up again. But that would NOT be a squad.


No, he is a delusional, smug know-it-all, out to harm himself even further with drugs, that he no business to even think about, who has nothing to show for, based on what he revealed about himself so far.

As I explained which if you learnt to read you'd have seen I didn't gain 40 pounds of fat

Also it doesn't matter how healthy your diet is. You could get 500 pounds of obesity eating super clean if you were smashing down 6k calories a day

What cardio do you reccomend with my injuries? I'm only doing physio

My right shoulder has proximal bicep tendonitis and shoulder instability

My left arm has a tfcc tear

My right knee has a meniscus and MCL tear, internal bone brusing, Hoffman's fat pad impingement and a high riding patella

And my left knee likely has just a meniscus tear judging by the pain but that's not diagnosed

Please tell me what this 70 percent of training I should be doing is?

Nowhere did I claim to be strong I said what I was able to lift prior to the knee and shoulder injury and before the wrist flare up

Yes I'm the delusional smug asshole yet you keep responding with stupid irrelevant shit

 

[thoroughlyconfused]

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Wrong again (except the very first word).

Feel free to point where I missed that point, that you claim I keep missing. Must be the same point everyone else is missing in this thread.
And even if I missed something, I read enough to figure out that nothing in this guy's story makes any sense, so I will repeat it once again for you:

Nobody, that is going to turn pro next year, gains 40lbs of fat to promote healing, while being in the gym everyday AND having a great diet.
This is factually impossible, if his (upcoming?!) wrist surgery didn't also suddenly screw up his entire metabolism and hormones...

Again I didn't gain 40 pounds of fat, how much muscle do you think I'm building with pt?

Damn you'd cry if you saw paddy pimblet

What are U on about upcoming wrist surgery and hormones the tfcc repair was roughly 6 months ago

 

[thoroughlyconfused]

You clearly need surgeries if you wish to continue with sports. It's really not up for debate and as it's your body thus your decision the shouldn't be advising you to give up on life. Most of those injuries can not heal without surgery. At all. Not to a barely livable point, not any more, not any less. If it's not repaired yoU'll stay like this forever.


My comment got through in the meantime but surprisingly got posted on like page 1 I think, I'll just quote it here, it's just a prolonged "don't do it" anyways.

I agree I need surgeries but physios and doctors aren't telling me what and I don't know where to start. I have private health insurance I can get surgery ASAP if U have any idea what do I can start researching it, but doctors and physios are not clarifying what I need

Which injuries won't heal without surgery and what surgery is needed? Also I'll skip the test and anvar. Do you think I should skip hgh too?

 

[hard_gains]

I agree I need surgeries but physios and doctors aren't telling me what and I don't know where to start. I have private health insurance I can get surgery ASAP if U have any idea what do I can start researching it, but doctors and physios are not clarifying what I need

Which injuries won't heal without surgery and what surgery is needed? Also I'll skip the test and anvar. Do you think I should skip hgh too?

Hold up. So a doctor told you all the issues that you currently have and didn't suggest any form of surgery or recovery? But your asking a bunch of strangers online what's a better course of action?

 

[thoroughlyconfused]

Hold up. So a doctor told you all the issues that you currently have and didn't suggest any form of surgery or recovery? But your asking a bunch of strangers online what's a better course of action?

Doctors and physios consistently say I need to try quite a few months of physio before they'll consider any sort of surgery

 

[malomkarom]

I agree I need surgeries but physios and doctors aren't telling me what and I don't know where to start. I have private health insurance I can get surgery ASAP if U have any idea what do I can start researching it, but doctors and physios are not clarifying what I need

Go to the private place and ask them. I'm not even sure how we're talking about this if you can have professionals to help you.

Also I'll skip the test and anvar. Do you think I should skip hgh too?

BPC, TB, HGH can help once you are on the right path and actually start healing. Anavar and test won't.

 

[hard_gains]

Doctors and physios consistently say I need to try quite a few months of physio before they'll consider any sort of surgery

And why aren't you capable of doing that?

 

[Kralteramon]

As I've said in other posts I'm pretty heavily injured. I'm doing all the right things pt nutrition etc wise but struggling to make progress. I want a boost. Obviously will be doing more bpc 157 and tb500 and possibly lower dosed hgh

But how stupid would doing 300 MG of test and low dose anvar for 12 weeks be at the age of 23? What are the risks of permanent suppression with this? I'd like to be able to return to being 'natural' after.

And what's the risk of any other serious side effects or facial aging with this route

Obviously will get pre and during blood tests aswell if I go this route.

I'm also on Finasteride and slowly transitioning to dutasteride and on oral Minoxidil, not sure how extreme with would be on hairloss?

Edit: also my natural test level albiet tested like a year back is 670

Sorry, i didn't read all the replies but I want to throw this out here. Steroids will only make the mismatch between your muscle and tendon growth bigger. So if you have tendonitis (which i have all the time and it sucks), your muscles will get stronger on steroids but your tendons wont grow fast enough to compensate. Even if you throw in all steroids that have some effect on collagen synthesis, it's better to heal and recover in a natural state if you are a natural to begin with. You're only going to make things worse otherwise.

You need to practice your patience and accept that healing takes time.