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Test and anvar cycle at 23, how dumb is it?

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As I've said in other posts I'm pretty heavily injured. I'm doing all the right things pt nutrition etc wise but struggling to make progress. I want a boost. Obviously will be doing more bpc 157 and tb500 and possibly lower dosed hgh

But how stupid would doing 300 MG of test and low dose anvar for 12 weeks be at the age of 23? What are the risks of permanent suppression with this? I'd like to be able to return to being 'natural' after.

And what's the risk of any other serious side effects or facial aging with this route

Obviously will get pre and during blood tests aswell if I go this route.

I'm also on Finasteride and slowly transitioning to dutasteride and on oral Minoxidil, not sure how extreme with would be on hairloss?

Edit: also my natural test level albiet tested like a year back is 670
 
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sionnach said:
It being good for injuries is neither here nor there. You're in your early 20s, right? The best thing you can do right now is just get in shape, get your diet right, and get your sleep schedule together. In a decade, when you're fit as fuck, and can't get any fitter, come back and let's talk about the next phase.

You don't have bloodwork. You don't have any dexa data. You don't have any idea what your max is for any lifts, or even cardio for that matter. You were only able to do 3 pushups just a few months ago.

You don't need any cheat codes. The risk:reward doesn't make sense. Just put the work in. You'll blow this off like I'm talking down to you, but I promise this is legit bro to bro advice.
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Also it's not that I couldn't do push ups because I was unfit it's because I had the wrist injury and was coming off surgery
 
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Slowww said:
I think that then you need to put more useful information for input instead of these kind of half baked ideas that can easily catch flack and get you into little flame wars hahaha.

For example: i have bicep tendinitis, i have done abc, it’s helped with XYZ but it’s still a problem, are there any other approaches i can take to alleviating this.

Thinking throwing test at the issue is really misguided. Especially if you have a list of problems, there is no way this is going to have a simple solution like a basic steroid for several months. Also having so many issues that have lasted longer than a year means it is probably going to take much more in depth and constructive discussion and work to find solutions, and you probably need to seek professional help.
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I'll do a full write up after work
 
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Elektrobot said:
I think anyone who shows up like this dude did would get the same response regardless of their age.

There is a huge difference between showing up as "I have training logs for the past 3 years that demonstrate growth and maturity in my training. My food plan is rock solid, I weigh and track everything. I sleep 44 hours a night. I would like to start learning about how I can implement PED's into my training to further my gains."

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.... and this is an actual quote... his actual title of this thread:"

Test and anvar cycle at 23, how dumb is it?"​


And when everyone tells him it's really dumb... he argues back like he's the one who knows

It's not an age thing. Anyone of any age can be that dumb.
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I do weigh and track everything including micronutrients

Training plan didn't feel relevant as I am and was new to lifting weights. I couldn't find the time between working on a farm boxing and massive amounts of cardio prior

And mentioning all this felt completely irrelevant as I feel it was a given I track all my shit if I'm asking about peds. I do physio. My diets in check. Doing my very best with sleep. I see multiple pts weekly. I've had surgery on the wrist. I'm in the gym every day doing pt, I stretch, I massage, I get accupunture, I use ice and heat when needed
 
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thoroughlyconfused said:
I do weigh and track everything including micronutrients

And mentioning all this felt completely irrelevant as I feel it was a given I track all my shit if I'm asking about peds.
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thoroughlyconfused said:
What do you think happens when you eat on a surplus over 2 years while not being able to resistance train? Surplus is good for injury healing.
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There's a difference between eating at a slight surplus(ideally maintenance for injury recovery IMHO) and eating enough to gain 40lbs lmao.
 
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thoroughlyconfused said:
Interesting why doesn't it work for the tendonitis? The tendonitis is caused because of the shoulder instability I have and the tendon being relied on to try and keep the shoulder in place according to my physio

This is two comments asking for the history I'm happy to do a write up after work, only reason I did not is I assumed it would be too long and no one would reply.

I haven't tried hgh in only considering it

But yes I'm heavy on pt, stretching, foam rolling, getting acupuncture, massaging, everything I can. I'll do a write up after work

With bpc and tb500 I used the full fragment not the synthetic as that's all the place I got from sold

I started with 250 MCG twice a day for both and eventually raised to 500 MCG twice a day for both since the half life for the full chain is short, ik that's a high dose but am desperate, I did this for 12 weeks. Been off for a month or two have ordered more
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No compound will not address your shoulder instability. TB will not reduce inflammation of the inflamed but not injured tendon.

I usually do 1mg TB, + 1mg BPC lol. For post surgery/ serious injuries. Or 1mg spread over a week for minor ones. So I don’t think that’s a lot to be honest. I’ve seen people use much more, not that I am advising it. If you seriously saw nothing over 12 weeks you need to seriously consider legitimacy of the compound you have been injecting. It should show a clear improvement if it’s real. Unless you’re also doing stuff to set recovery back. Also for example if you thought tb will treat your biceps tendinitis there is a real amount of improper treatment based on the assessment going on, on your end
 
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Slowww said:
What level of boxing do you do?
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I will respond to ur longer comment with advice after work but I appreciate it

But I have and will compete in national tournaments (amatuer) amatuer boxing doesn't mean bad it's just a different rule set. I will go pro in the next few years depending on these injuries

I'm trying not to give too much away but I need to go back to 'natural' when competing

I get everyone is on in most places in combat sports but my country is insanely strict at that level with amatuers and drug testing. Way way stricter then pros. It's not passable
 
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