Test E came cloudy and sludgy on the bottom and leaked out while heating, newbie post

[FilthyKangaroo]

Hello, i just ordered my first vials of test and my test p’s all came crystal clear and a thin watery liquid.

My 2 vials of test e however, both came cloudy with some type of sludge on the bottom

It’s cold outside so i let it set in some hot water, occasionally swirling throughout. It cleared up a bit and there’s no sludge anymore, however there’s still a yellow tint. It’s crystal clear like my test p.

Another worrying thing that happened with my test e is while i was in the process of swirling and tipping it upside down, a droplet of some sort came down from the rim. I rubbed it in between my fingers and it made my fingers kinda rubbery and i assumed it was oil that leaked out.


anyway, thoughts?


test e not heated


Test p (left) test e heated (middle) test e unheated (right)

 

[Ghoul]

It’s a bad idea to use water to heat. Coffee warmer or stick it in middle rack of oven at lowest temp (165-175f) for 20 minutes.

 

[FilthyKangaroo]

It’s a bad idea to use water to heat. Coffee warmer or stick it in middle rack of oven at lowest temp (165-175f) for 20 minutes.

I’ll make that change. What do you think of the possible droplet leaking out or the yellow tint? does the sludge before mean anything or was it just due to cold temperatures

 

[Ghoul]

I’ll make that change. What do you think of the possible droplet leaking out or the yellow tint? does the sludge before mean anything or was it just due to cold temperatures

Cold temps. “Sludge” is the stage of crashing between floating crystal and full solid.

The leaking drop is why water is a bad idea. The seal can be compromised, and water can infiltrate the vial.

FYI, 175f won’t melt any of the vial hardware, and you don’t need to “vent” the vial hardware either. It can go in fully sealed. Even if it’s “shrink wrapped” as some retail vials are, that won’t melt either.

Coffee warmers work as well, but in my experience the oven method has a better chance of staying in solution rather than recrashing.

 

[TRT]

I always stuck a small vent needle in it if it was a full bottle and I’d heat it.

 

[FilthyKangaroo]

Cold temps. “Sludge” is the stage of crashing between floating crystal and full solid.

The leaking drop is why water is a bad idea. The seal can be compromised, and water can infiltrate the vial.

So is that vial unsterile and not safe for injection anymore?

FYI, 175f won’t melt any of the vial hardware, and you don’t need to “vent” the vial hardware either. It can go in fully sealed. Even if it’s “shrink wrapped” as some retail vials are, that won’t melt either.

When would i need to vent?

Coffee warmers work as well, but in my experience the oven method has a better chance of staying in solution rather than recrashing.

I’ll probably just use a coffee warmer. Any specific ones that the community likes?

Also what’s causing this yellow tint and is yellow tinted test safe?

I always stuck a small vent needle in it if it was a full bottle and I’d heat it.

what’s the point of venting anything?

 

[Ghoul]

So is that vial unsterile and not safe for injection anymore?

When would i need to vent?

I’ll probably just use a coffee warmer. Any specific ones that the community likes?

Also what’s causing this yellow tint and is yellow tinted test safe?

what’s the point of venting anything?

Venting was used because boiling water temps create pressure in the vial. That whole process is old school and a bad idea.

Crashing and reheating has no impact on sterility.

Was it lightly yellow before?

In general that’s normal, but getting darker is a sign of oxidation / degradation.

 

[TRT]

So is that vial unsterile and not safe for injection anymore?

When would i need to vent?

I’ll probably just use a coffee warmer. Any specific ones that the community likes?

Also what’s causing this yellow tint and is yellow tinted test safe?

what’s the point of venting anything?

Further reduce any moisture in there. Hard to tell from a picture but UGl is common for it.

 

[FilthyKangaroo]

Venting was used because boiling water temps create pressure in the vial. That whole process is old school and a bad idea.

okay, thanks, could you give a quick summary on why it’s bad and why it’s still recommended today by some people?

Crashing and reheating has no impact on sterility.

Was it lightly yellow before?

i have a photo of the vial in the post. Yellowish and cloudy before

In general that’s normal, but getting darker is a sign of oxidation / degradation.

okay thanks

My biggest concern right now is whether or not the vial that had the drop leak out is safe or not. Do you think it’s not sterile anymore?

 

[Ghoul]

okay, thanks, could you give a quick summary on why it’s bad and why it’s still recommended today by some people?

i have a photo of the vial in the post. Yellowish and cloudy before

okay thanks

My biggest concern right now is whether or not the vial that had the drop leak out is safe or not. Do you think it’s not sterile anymore?

Because some people never update their knowledge.

Obviously you have a vial with an imperfect seal. That’s why a drop leaked out. Water is unsterile and accelerates degradation of the oil. No water = no risk of infiltration of water.

A vent is a bed idea because the moment temps inside the vial drop by just a couple of degrees, that vent starts to SUCK IN whatever condensation or other crap is on it.