Who keeps most gains from Tren?

[stevemac]

Sorry son but look at the pros when they retire almost all shrink down to nothing within a few years and many are still lifting. I love how you say I am wrong and don't offer any proof of it....typical hater who knows nothing. I bet you also think taking asprin once will give you permanent headache relief...LMAO.

Why would griz need to offer proof to you? we don't have to take the time to prove it to you because we know from experience and have been in the game a lot longer then you. you call a well respected vet a hater, and who is very knowledgable and a mod at many sites, and correct me if i'm wrong but wasn't grizzly once a mod here at meso? I may be wrong on that one. If anyone is a hater here its you premeir but you are way out of line, from your posts you show nothing but disrespect to the members here and lack of knowledge. everyone vet here knows after using steroids it is fully reasonable to keep most of the gains, we all know this but then again we also know a bit about proper training and diet. Like I said earlier, stick around and you might learn a thing or two...son.

 

[PreMier]

Why would griz need to offer proof to you? we don't have to take the time to prove it to you because we know from experience and have been in the game a lot longer then you. you call a well respected vet a hater, and who is very knowledgable and a mod at many sites, and correct me if i'm wrong but wasn't grizzly once a mod here at meso? I may be wrong on that one. If anyone is a hater here its you premeir but you are way out of line, from your posts you show nothing but disrespect to the members here and lack of knowledge. everyone vet here knows after using steroids it is fully reasonable to keep most of the gains, we all know this but then again we also know a bit about proper training and diet. Like I said earlier, stick around and you might learn a thing or two...son.

I do hate on people at times but most deserve it, as for steroids giving permanet gains that is a fairy tale some tell themselves. When you get off the Roids for a few years let us know how much you kept, if you are one of the 1% here who trained for 5-10 years and hit your natural limits before you gassed up then your opinions on the matter will be interesting to hear. As for you being at the game longer I doubt it. There are some here who know what they are talking about then you have guys like grizzly who don't......same as every site.

 

[BRICK]

why can't we all get along

 

[Deacon]

Sorry son but look at the pros when they retire almost all shrink down to nothing within a few years and many are still lifting. I love how you say I am wrong and don't offer any proof of it....typical hater who knows nothing. I bet you also think taking asprin once will give you permanent headache relief...LMAO.

that is quite a different story though and hardly a comparison - most of those guys give up the lifestyle and then lose the gains - they train just enough to stay in shape but not enough to go crazy - they also stop eating and sleeping correctly because the fact is the diet sucks - but muscle memory being what it is once a man gains to a certain level he should be able to get that level back with or without drugs - and yes it is my opinion that if I went off today and continued the same lifestyle I could keep most of my gains and even make new gains in 2 years - so dont compare what the pro's do to anyone else because it is a completely different game
as far as your disrespect of Grizzly I find it sad to say the least

 

[Deacon]

I do hate on people at times but most deserve it, as for steroids giving permanet gains that is a fairy tale some tell themselves. When you get off the Roids for a few years let us know how much you kept, if you are one of the 1% here who trained for 5-10 years and hit your natural limits before you gassed up then your opinions on the matter will be interesting to hear. As for you being at the game longer I doubt it. There are some here who know what they are talking about then you have guys like grizzly who don't......same as every site.

I have been training for 28 years BTW - I have gone long stretches being clean and I have kept gains - through discipline

 

[PreMier]

I have been training for 28 years BTW - I have gone long stretches being clean and I have kept gains - through discipline

You would have to take a 2 years off or more to lose the 50lbs steroids gave you past your natural prime....and sure in the end with a great diet and great training program you might keep 5+lbs largely due to muscle memory.....but almost no person trains to their natural prime and they mistake what they could have built naturally as steroid permanent gains. GH on the otherhand will give you some gains for life.

 

[Mr. Shoulders]

IMO tren is one of the drugs that gains are easily kept - I keep them after a tren stacked cycle - or maybe I just do the off cycle thing right

BTW it is possible to keep almost all gains from any cycle if you get over the mental thing of being off - supplement correctly and continue to eat and train smart

anyone who says you cant keep steroid gains is just lazy when they are off cycle

Finally, an intellegent answer to a much asked question...I have been training for over 20 years now and have kept virtually all my gains...Thank you Deacon for being on this board...

 

[PreMier]

Finally, an intellegent answer to a much asked question...I have been training for over 20 years now and have kept virtually all my gains...Thank you Deacon for being on this board...

Then you were nowhere near your natural limit when you gassed up. And/or never stop using long enough to see the ugly truth.

 

[DocJ]

AAS can clearly increase your "set point" in your bodies ability to sustain LBM. Is there scientific studies to prove this? I'm not aware of any but thousands of BB worldwide would agree that it does occur.

 

[Deacon]

You would have to take a 2 years off or more to lose the 50lbs steroids gave you past your natural prime....and sure in the end with a great diet and great training program you might keep 5+lbs largely due to muscle memory.....but almost no person trains to their natural prime and they mistake what they could have built naturally as steroid permanent gains. GH on the otherhand will give you some gains for life.

I was off 10 years bro and while I lost some gains at first I readjusted and using only natural supps was able to gain back to my steroid cycle weight - and even grew stronger than when I was juicing

so how does that suit you?

 

[PreMier]

I was off 10 years bro and while I lost some gains at first I readjusted and using only natural supps was able to gain back to my steroid cycle weight - and even grew stronger than when I was juicing

so how does that suit you?

Well give me some stats...10 years post cycle you were stronger right?? So what was your weight and what was your Bench, squat and dead lift??? And SD ect are not natural supps so be truthfull...what were the natural supps..

 

[PreMier]

I was off 10 years bro and while I lost some gains at first I readjusted and using only natural supps was able to gain back to my steroid cycle weight - and even grew stronger than when I was juicing

so how does that suit you?

So why did you start using again if you got stronger with out steroids...LMAO

 

[MANWHORE]

what is is about Tren that allows you to eat like a pig and still drop bf?

It binds just as well to the AR in fat tissue and stops or at least slows fat the body stores .. I might not be the burning of bodyfat it causes but actually the effect it has on the body storing it .. didn't i just say that

 

[stevemac]

So why did you start using again if you got stronger with out steroids...LMAO

you jsut don't get it, what deacon is saying is when you use steroids you can create for yourself a new plateau, and once you hit that plateau it's very obtainable to keep these gains, and surpass them with some hard work. To extend this plateau even further he would most likely have to juice again. I think you know exactly what he meant and now that your lack of knowledge has been exposed you're trying to play word games.

I have no idea who you are and what your experiences are but judging from your words, attitude, and lack of respect on a highly respected website towards guests,vets, and mods from other sites I am left thinking you are just a 17 yr old kid with an inflated ego.

 

[PreMier]

you jsut don't get it, what deacon is saying is when you use steroids you can create for yourself a new plateau, and once you hit that plateau it's very obtainable to keep these gains, and surpass them with some hard work. To extend this plateau even further he would most likely have to juice again. I think you know exactly what he meant and now that your lack of knowledge has been exposed you're trying to play word games.

I have no idea who you are and what your experiences are but judging from your words, attitude, and lack of respect on a highly respected website towards guests,vets, and mods from other sites I am left thinking you are just a 17 yr old kid with an inflated ego.

Well at only 175 when he began his 23 week cycle it looks like he didn't keep a thing, it is too funny that a guy who only weight 175 is saying he kept steroid gains.....hell I was 175 at 15

 

[Deacon]

Well at only 175 when he began his 23 week cycle it looks like he didn't keep a thing, it is too funny that a guy who only weight 175 is saying he kept steroid gains.....hell I was 175 at 15

are you referring to me?

 

[PreMier]

are you referring to me?

https://thinksteroids.com/community/posts/475960

 

[Deacon]

ya but you have to remember I was sick that winter prior to the big cycle with bronchitiis and walking pneumonia for a month - I lost 15-20 pounds during that time - that is why I was at such a sickly bodyweight prior to the cycle -

 

[Deacon]

it does not seem like anyone wants to tell you want you want to hear or agree with you - so continuing this conversation is stupid - have a nice day

 

[PreMier]

it does not seem like anyone wants to tell you want you want to hear or agree with you - so continuing this conversation is stupid - have a nice day

ya but you have to remember I was sick that winter prior to the big cycle with bronchitiis and walking pneumonia for a month - I lost 15-20 pounds during that time - that is why I was at such a sickly bodyweight prior to the cycle -

Well after a 23 week cycle you only gained back the weight you lost while sick. That says it all for me, if you had a good diet and trained hard naturally you could have gained the weight back in 2 months without the drugs. Thank you for proving my point.