evarthecaveman
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Anabolics aren't healthy lol.. I'm not saying you'll die at 30, I'm just saying it's not smart to use at 30% bf. the elevated blood levels and liver values overtime aren't pretty.
MESO-Rx
Anabolic Steroids
1st cycle, out of shape, high bodyfat
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Notits
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I figured being over 300lbs with hormone levels completely in the gutter far more dangerous, and i experienced more negative health issues.
What the OP is running is far from dangerous. Im with huck on the clen for sure but calling a dose like this dangerous is silly.
What the OP is running is far from dangerous. Im with huck on the clen for sure but calling a dose like this dangerous is silly.
evarthecaveman
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If you look up and read what I posted I said trt dose isn't dangerous as long as your not cycling.
D-Ballin
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Did I read that you'd tried an EC stack yet? Can't remember.
If you haven't, I would try that before you hop on the clen. Tends to be better tolerated. And if your health markers won't tolerate the ephedrine, you'll know not to mess with the clen. And the ephedrine will definitely knock the fat off you quick.
I'm looking into the albuterol myself right now. Seems to be easier on the body than clen. Got a bunch of t3 for free as a mistake, looking into running that too. But I want a thyroid panel first, so as to assess possible damage, and recovery. Still not totally sold on it.
If you haven't, I would try that before you hop on the clen. Tends to be better tolerated. And if your health markers won't tolerate the ephedrine, you'll know not to mess with the clen. And the ephedrine will definitely knock the fat off you quick.
I'm looking into the albuterol myself right now. Seems to be easier on the body than clen. Got a bunch of t3 for free as a mistake, looking into running that too. But I want a thyroid panel first, so as to assess possible damage, and recovery. Still not totally sold on it.
HuckingFuge
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if AAS are not healthy, than why do they give out TRT or HRT to people with hormone issues? stop being a sheep and do more research.
TRT is a replacement therapy to replace androgens and hormones your body doesn't make or doesn't make enough of naturally. Blasting or cycling steroids goes well above these natural levels hence the unhealthiness aspect of it
HuckingFuge
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where is the proof? I've not seen a study and I've not personally experienced any ill effects with the experimenting I've done on my guinea pig ass. my TRT is everyone else blast. according to someone everything is bad for you lol
when I die at 86 than everyone can say how bad AAS was on me. poor HF could of lived longer if he just took lower doses. fuck it I don't want to live forever.
evarthecaveman
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First of all what doc do you know that does 250 trt? NONE. 100mg a week is fucking trt for starters. And if you read what I put I said trt doses are SAFE. not fucking cycling at 30% bf. stop being a sheep and read.
HuckingFuge
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well for one you don't know anything if you think 100mg is the only TRT dose given, plus you can get Deca on top of Test. holy shit we are all going to die.
he is only taking TRT dose, so your stupid statement was not needed. if AAS are so dangerous blasting? than why the fuck are you here? to watch everyone die, if so you are going to be here a long while.
You mean your cruise is everyone else's blast
. No doctor would put you on 500mg of test or more. And why wouldn't they? Bc it's not healthy. I don't want to live forever either but that doesn't mean I can't admit when I'm cycling it's not healthy for me. Hell if I live till 60 or so I'll be happy. I don't want to be 80 or 90 lol but that's me. So all the people who take BP meds, cholesterol meds, liver protection meds, cancer meds, fertility meds, etc ONLY BC THEY ARE RUNNING SUPRAPHSYIOLOGICAL DOSES OF HOMRONES are healthy? Someone who needs a diuretic to get their BP under 150/80 or whatever it may be is healthy? Taking meds bc you're taking meds is a good thing?
I'm not trying to be a dick, and I agree with you in certain aspects in that I want to cycle regardless of my health so I can be the best at my sport, but let's face it.....it ain't a healthy hobby brother.
HuckingFuge
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You mean your cruise is everyone else's blast
So all the people who take BP meds, cholesterol meds, liver protection meds, cancer meds, fertility meds, etc ONLY BC THEY ARE RUNNING SUPRAPHSYIOLOGICAL DOSES OF HOMRONES are healthy? Someone who needs a diuretic to get their BP under 150/80 or whatever it may be is healthy? Taking meds bc you're taking meds is a good thing?
I'm not trying to be a dick, and I agree with you in certain aspects in that I want to cycle regardless of my health so I can be the best at my sport, but let's face it.....it ain't a healthy hobby brother.
tell me what isn't healthy about AAS? don't come at me with BP, cholesterol or other crap you get from never touching a AAS in your entire life. those are just your body getting old and making you die. after your hormones peak and than fall the aging process kicks in. than everyone's body starts to get BP, ect... issues.
Why can't I mention those? My chokesterol was perfectly fine a year ago. Now last week I had blood work done at the doctors office and my HDL was 10. Yea 10. My LDL was 250 or something like that. Did I age that much in a year to where my lipids were PERFECTLY fine a year ago and last week my doctor was horrified to the point she had never seen a lipid ratio as fucked as mine in her history of health care?
evarthecaveman
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100-200 max is trt dose. Doctors don't give more then that. Last I checked I thought he was using more then that. I think anabolic are safe if used right. I don't believe they should be used as a easy way out when your far over 30% bf. that's when it's unhealthy. I think your judgement is clouded re read what I actually said lol.
They will always prescribe the minimum effective dose. Which, in most cases, is about ~150mg's/week.
evarthecaveman
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Guys all I was saying was using more then ACTUAL trt dose when you're that high in bf isn't healthy, even though he chose to do that I was simply trying to get him not to use clen at that Bodyfat.
HuckingFuge
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did you take her meds? the medical industry makes up these ranges to have reasons to show you need to take Pharma meds.
Although clinical case studies continue to link anabolic steroid administration with myocardial infarct, suicide, and cancer, the evidence to support a cause and effect relationship is lacking and it may be other contributing factors (i.e. genetic predisposition, diet, etc.) play a substantial role and potentiate the harmful effects from anabolic steroids.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3827559/#!po=93.5393
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3827559/#!po=93.5393
If that's the case then by your logic TRT would be placed in this same category since the medical industry came up with the ranges your natural testosterone levels should be. Basically, you either accept the ranges or you do not, cannot pick and choose
And no I didn't. She wants me to change several lifestyle factors and retest in 6months before considering meds
