1st cycle, out of shape, high bodyfat

[Mayne]

I think aspirin has been taken out of the equation or at least I run EC only with good results. Another option is clen but I am not sure it's advisable for high %bf with all the heart rate increase properties or at least I get it on clenbuterol.

 

[Xodusforever]

If you can't find ephedrine, go to alibaba, search ephedra tea, 4grams brewed into tea twice a day.

There is an exclusion under federal law which specifically mentions Asian medicines / teas as legal for ephedra. Never had a single shipment seized despite being searched a couple times.

 

[Xodusforever]

I'd also like to add - you are being incredibly responsible and smart about this - if I would place a bet about a single fatty in reform that won't be here in 6 months asking how to rid themselves of gyno sans the 5 to 8k surgery, it would be you.

If I can be of any assistance, you have any questions (only dumb question is one not asked) no matter how obtuse you may think they are, please reach out via pm if you want to.

6 months time you can be rocking a perma boner flying high on the gains from being in a health position to properly cycle.

I've never ran anything before, so I'm rather ignorant, unfortunately. I had a couple friends run cycles a few years back, both were well over 350 to start, one had amazing results, while the other developed gyno and kidney failure....

Now I'm on an island with no one to confer with in person etc.... thus I am here.. I know nothing of how i aromatize, and all the different compounds seem confusing.... I know my friend who had kidney failure ran test, deca, and sometimes winni... other than than that, when I was at 220 I decided to order some winstrol from him, but he got arrested for a kilo of coke before i got my stuff.... so I'm not aure about any of it or how I would react.

 

[Docd187123]

Plan too for sure!

Quick questions of the ECA, as it sounds like a good spot to start and help speed up my process, any decent sites where I could find the right E? I've ordered it in the past, but not sure if it was potent enough, nor if it was the hcl... and is nodoz, which is 200mg caffeine anhydrous good for the C, also any input on ratios?

ECA won't do anything for you at that high a body fat percentage. It helps when you're leaner and your calorie intake is so low it begins to affect your performance and it can also help in mobilizing the last hard to get fat stores. At your level I would just focus on diet, maintaining a steady calorie deficit with adequate protein, and hard training. Good luck

 

[ergomaniac]

Where I'm at, the pharmacy still sells primatine. I take vivarin for the caffeine, but I think they are the same. I'd start with 12.5 mgs of ephedrine and 200 mgs of caffeine in the morning. If you can handle that, go to one of each in the morning and afternoon. If still good, bump only the ephedrine up to 25 mgs first in the am and then in the pm. Your receptors get clogged after two weeks, so you will then take two weeks off and then repeat. Drink plent of water too, as you will be surprised how much water weight you will lose by staying well hydrated.

for the op. unlike clen, ephedrine doesn't have to be "cycled". you can use it for more than two weeks and beyond. ive even read that it works better with time. beta receptor down regulation isn't a concern. it also may be better to halve the dose and take it twice as often to create a more steady state. that what Ive always done and is now further confirmed. heres a good article on ephedrine I just happened upon. thinksteroids.com/steroid-profiles/ephedrine
ephedrine isn't a magic fat burner. you probably wont notice a difference if youre bodyfat is high. what you will notice is increased "energy" and appetite suppression being that it is a mild stimulant. done correctly it should raise your bodytemp a half to a full degree because of its thermogenic effects.
you can buy it as bronkaid at most pharmacies behind the counter if you ask for it. pick up some nodoz while youre at it, if you decide to try it. its cheap, safe, and relatively effective. oh yeah, and diet .

 

[A-a-Ron]

for the op. unlike clen, ephedrine doesn't have to be "cycled". you can use it for more than two weeks and beyond. ive even read that it works better with time. beta receptor down regulation isn't a concern. it also may be better to halve the dose and take it twice as often to create a more steady state. that what Ive always done and is now further confirmed. heres a good article on ephedrine I just happened upon. thinksteroids.com/steroid-profiles/ephedrine
ephedrine isn't a magic fat burner. you probably wont notice a difference if youre bodyfat is high. what you will notice is increased "energy" and appetite suppression being that it is a mild stimulant. done correctly it should raise your bodytemp a half to a full degree because of its thermogenic effects.
you can buy it as bronkaid at most pharmacies behind the counter if you ask for it. pick up some nodoz while youre at it, if you decide to try it. its cheap, safe, and relatively effective. oh yeah, and diet .

Thanks for posting that link! I'm going to the beach in a month and have been hitting cardio hard and doing an EC stack to get that extra layer off. Good to know I can continue the EC stack straight through.

 

[alphastrength50]

not to tempt ya just sgarig true story. i had a fat friend like u take tren and low test. yea hes lean now haha

 

[Throwback]

I also think that just a calorie deficit diet and a proper nutritional plan along with a heavy cardio and moderate weight training for at least 180 days will do more for you right now han any cycle....you will find that initially your weight will fall away quickly. With the proper diet...say a 500-700 cal deficit per day and a proper gym routine you will be amazed at the progress you will make. The calorie deficit will make u a .bit tired as the weeks go by so don't try to lift heavy at this point cuz your in a recomp mode......also use a mirror and tape measure more than a scale. You'll get there if you stick it out!!!

 

[A-a-Ron]

@vani11agori11a, in addition to the great advice @Throwback gave you, try cutting your normal portions by 75%. Eat those portions and let it settle. The best diet I ever did was simply giving food time to hit my stomach. You won't be stuffed, but you won't be hungry, either.

 

[Throwback]

@vani11agori11a, in addition to the great advice @Throwback gave you, try cutting your normal portions by 75%. Eat those portions and let it settle. The best diet I ever did was simply giving food time to hit my stomach. You won't be stuffed, but you won't be hungry, either.

Really good advice here....there is a delay time, stomach to brain, where the signal tends to get to the brain about 20 mins later that your full...one of the reasons that it is so easy to over eat, your brain doesn't realize that your full!!!

 

[vani11agori11a]

Awesome advice guys. Greatly appreciated and dually noted.
Good looking out, appreciate it.

 

[jackthegripper2]

Hit a Low test High Tren cycle Boy! that shit will fall off fast! Youd just have to worry about your E2 but it would be worth it.

 

[Throwback]

Hit a Low test High Tren cycle Boy! that shit will fall off fast! Youd just have to worry about your E2 but it would be worth it.

In no way should you do this cycle now...your weight diet and training need to get dialed in first...While I do agree that a test tren Winnie cycle will cut to the bone, just now your not ready...you will be one day but make it down the road a bit when your health and weight are dialed in....

 

[jackthegripper2]

In no way should you do this cycle now...your weight diet and training need to get dialed in first...While I do agree that a test tren Winnie cycle will cut to the bone, just now your not ready...you will be one day but make it down the road a bit when your health and weight are dialed in....

That's your opinion. However if this guy is looking for Fast results which most humans are including most ass users this would be the way. Of course it would come with a lot more risk.

 

[HuckingFuge]

I think after 6 weeks of hitting the gym hard your body should be ready for some AAS use. muscle memory is a great thing

 

[jackthegripper2]

I think after 6 weeks of hitting the gym hard your body should be ready for some AAS use. muscle memory is a great thing

Agreed

 

[biglumber69]

Once I started back to the gym after bracking my back,fused s1 through l5.I lifted and dieted for 3 months. Lost 30lbs. Then I added an eca stack for then 6 weeks that helped me get down to 217lbs. Now I am going to start a clyce and eat a maintenance diet. Before I got hurt I weighted 260lbs with abs. After I got hurt and could not lift or work for 2 yrs I weighted 285lbs fat slob. Remember you did not get fat over note so you can't lose weight over night. Just set up a plan and stick with it. Good luck

 

[Throwback]

That's your opinion. However if this guy is looking for Fast results which most humans are including most ass users this would be the way. Of course it would come with a lot more risk.

The thing about this guys case that would concern me is he has 1)very high b/f %, 2) a recent history of serious injuries resulting in a sedentary lifestyle. 3) With his stated weight and b/f, he is probably borderline diabetic. 4) the above conditions put a massive load on his cardio vascular system. Therefore to advise him to do any type of aas at this point in his quest to cut fat and get in shape is, dangerous to his well being and future goals.
There are a lot of people out there that come to these types of forums because they seek advice in order to achieve a particular goal. It is not always, in fact, never is it in an individuals best interest to jump on aas without proper diet, training and anabolic compound education. This takes time.
There are a couple of docs on this site and some other trainers etc
Maybe we can here from them regarding this fella's situation.

 

[vani11agori11a]

The thing about this guys case that would concern me is he has 1)very high b/f %, 2) a recent history of serious injuries resulting in a sedentary lifestyle. 3) With his stated weight and b/f, he is probably borderline diabetic. 4) the above conditions put a massive load on his cardio vascular system. Therefore to advise him to do any type of aas at this point in his quest to cut fat and get in shape is, dangerous to his well being and future goals.
There are a lot of people out there that come to these types of forums because they seek advice in order to achieve a particular goal. It is not always, in fact, never is it in an individuals best interest to jump on aas without proper diet, training and anabolic compound education. This takes time.
There are a couple of docs on this site and some other trainers etc
Maybe we can here from them regarding this fella's situation.

Yeah, my goal isn't a quick fix that will put me in danger or risk serious negative side effects, YES I want to drop this body fat with a quickness, as I seriously miss my abs, as does my wife lol.... but I'm about doing it smart, if that means holding off until I have a solid foundation built, some bodyfat dropped, and a strong diet and training regimen that sticks, then so be it... I never needed gear in the past.... Just saving it as an option as I know my test levels are much lower than before, and I've heard that cutting cycles can help.....

I appreciate everyones opinions and advice, no matter which side of the bar they are on.... what I've discerned is that I should just focus on cementing my lifestyle of barbells and iron, drop about half my bodyfat and revisit the option of gearing up from there.

 

[Deemo81]

You know you could do some meth and maybe smoke some crack and see how that plays out first