1st cycle, out of shape, high bodyfat

[vgc]

Self administered. I live on an island in the middle of nowhere, and the docs here will not prescribe TRT to patients.... but 250mg per week.

Given you have higher bodyfat, you'll probably have some aromatization going on with 250mg. I'd DEFINITELY suggest splitting the dose up to twice a week at least. For "legit" TRT, most guys start at 100mg/week, and go up from there if the need it to get blood levels in the right range. I need 175mg/week to hit 850 ng/dl, but for whatever reason I need more T than most guys do to get those numbers. 250mg will almost definitely put you above the physiological norm.

Make sure you watch your E2, hematocrit, and blood pressure. Do you have an AI on hand in case you need it?

Assuming E2 stays under control, my guess is you'll see big body composition changes in a hurry.

Not trying to be a mother hen here, just want to make sure you don't set yourself back by not keeping an eye on your E2 levels in the short term, and the health stuff in the long term!

 

[vani11agori11a]

Given you have higher bodyfat, you'll probably have some aromatization going on with 250mg. I'd DEFINITELY suggest splitting the dose up to twice a week at least. For "legit" TRT, most guys start at 100mg/week, and go up from there if the need it to get blood levels in the right range. I need 175mg/week to hit 850 ng/dl, but for whatever reason I need more T than most guys do to get those numbers. 250mg will almost definitely put you above the physiological norm.

Make sure you watch your E2, hematocrit, and blood pressure. Do you have an AI on hand in case you need it?

Assuming E2 stays under control, my guess is you'll see big body composition changes in a hurry.

Not trying to be a mother hen here, just want to make sure you don't set yourself back by not keeping an eye on your E2 levels in the short term, and the health stuff in the long term!

25mg Exemestane daily for AI, and taking Sibutramine as well for weight loss, been on that a week and a half now, love it.

And I had the wrong body fat percentage, wife was on the wrong page of my log..... as of today I'm at 24.3% still high, but not the 33-36 she had read off to me.

And I will get new bloods done around my 30th bday, about 6 weeks from now.

If someone can tell me exactly what to ask for... last time I had them do a full on panel testing absolutely everything, ran me 600 bucks.

 

[vgc]

25mg Exemestane daily for AI, and taking Sibutramine as well for weight loss, been on that a week and a half now, love it.

And I had the wrong body fat percentage, wife was on the wrong page of my log..... as of today I'm at 24.3% still high, but not the 33-36 she had read off to me.

And I will get new bloods done around my 30th bday, about 6 weeks from now.

If someone can tell me exactly what to ask for... last time I had them do a full on panel testing absolutely everything, ran me 600 bucks.

Nice! Make sure you keep tabs on your BP too, it can sneak up on you.

For bloods, you need CBC, CMP, TT and E2. The full male or female hormone panel from most online bloodwork services includes TT and E2, and often costs less than ordering those tests individually. The CMP isn't 100% mandatory, but keeping tab on blood sugar, liver, and kidneys is a good idea.

 

[HuckingFuge]

bloods at $600 is a waste of money. IMHO

 

[vani11agori11a]

bloods at $600 is a waste of money. IMHO

I know, that was at my doc and with insurance.... Alaska is crazy expensive.

 

[HuckingFuge]

blood work and PCT are both over rated.


stay consistent with diet and training. than you will become a future Demi God

 

[double-leg]

blood work and PCT are both over rated.


stay consistent with diet and training. than you will become a future Demi God

Do you really think so? Im just curious if what i feel is a placebo.
Ive did my first few cycles without AI. I buy bulk so i can get several cycles in obe shipment. I did bloods with and without Ai. With AI i felt dryer looked harder and my bloods came back like 200-300ng/dl higher on the cycle with ai. Estro with ai was 38. But with out i think was like 100+. Im thinking less test conveted to estro. I know extra test level 200-300 is not much of a difference
But it did make a difference in estro.

 

[vani11agori11a]

blood work and PCT are both over rated.


stay consistent with diet and training. than you will become a future Demi God

Thanks Hucking, I appreciate all the help and info.

Thank you all.

This forum has been a great motivational and educational experience. I'm glad I stumbled upon it.

 

[HuckingFuge]

Do you really think so? Im just curious if what i feel is a placebo.
Ive did my first few cycles without AI. I buy bulk so i can get several cycles in obe shipment. I did bloods with and without Ai. With AI i felt dryer looked harder and my bloods came back like 200-300ng/dl higher on the cycle with ai. Estro with ai was 38. But with out i think was like 100+. Im thinking less test conveted to estro. I know extra test level 200-300 is not much of a difference
But it did make a difference in estro.

I never said AI wasn't needed. I said PCT was over rated.

 

[vani11agori11a]

Well, Monday was another killer session, chest and tri's. Felt stronger yet again, more energy....
Yesterday all my bosses flew in from up north, and timed it so they arrived just before lunch time, so I didn't get my lunch break to hit the gym, and worked from 7am to 230am... today I should get in for back and bi's.... surprisingly, 2 days after chest and tri's and I'm not super sore like I usually am... puzzling.

 

[vani11agori11a]

Killed it for back and bi's today. Pinned my 250mg first thing this morning. And to top it off I'm exhausted.... just want to fuck my wife and go to sleep. Lol.

 

[Mofotyler]

I'm not looking for BS hazing... I just want to state my case and see if anyone has any positive input even if its telling me to steer clear...

I have had multiple serious injuries to my knee and back over the last couple of years, and am now sitting at about 300lbs with an estimated 33 percent body fat.

before this string of injuries, I was at 220 and roughly 13% bf.

I have just recently resumed training, having been back to the gym for about a month. I am interested in dropping this body fat as fast as humanly possible. This is why I have considered doing my first cycle, however I've seen multiple posts stating that people with high body fat should not in fact run a cycle. which I previously would have completely understood, but given my current state I'm reasonably desperate to get back into proper condition.

I willing to do whatever it is that I need to do, so my question is this...

should I just put in a good amount of time trying to get back into shape with the gym alone over the next 6-12 months , or would adding a cutting cycle be worth it to boost the process? Keep in mind that I recently had a testosterone level test done and according to the doctor he said I was still within range even though I was right at the lower limits of normal, thus would not prescribe TRT..

And IF I cycle would be worth doing, what would be a good stack to run?

Thanks in advance for your helpful feedback.

The most crazy body transformation I have ever seen. Was a guy running 400 test-e a week for 14 weeks. Along side that he ran 50 anavar ed for 8 weeks. With .5 adex eod. He ran a ketosis diet at around 1400 calories a day. 40 carbs and 150 protien. He was avg about 6 lbs of weight loss a week. He did 0 cardio just did high reps with minimal rest between sets. 3 day total body work out then 1 day off. He lost over 70lbs by the end of cycle. Only draw back to this was. With the extreme rapid weight loss. He had lots of lose skin. He also put back about 15lbs. First month after he finished. Not to mention last I heard he had gained just about all the weight back.

 

[vani11agori11a]

Left is today, right is a month ago..... nothing to ooh and ah over, but my body weight is down 12 pounds, my strength and endurance is up and I feel that I've been adding some decent lean mass, otherwise my weight would be even lower.... progress!

Wonder how much longer until I'm stripped back down to this...

8 years ago, at 208, and those are my serratus, not ribs lol.

I'd like to strip down all my bodyfat and then add pure lean mass and walk around about 230.

 

[Mofotyler]

Keep the musle you have and shed the body fat. You will look like a beast in no time. I would say don't try to compare to the old you. rip off the rear view mirror and just keep on trucking to the new you.

 

[vani11agori11a]

A little hard to not look in the rear view. The scenery was much more pleasing to the eye lol.... but you are right!
I'd like to think I have the ability to be a big shredded beast at some point. ..... here's hoping!

 

[Mofotyler]

I actually went through what you are going through now. My mom got cancer I stoped going to the gym. I put on about 60 lbs. All the going out of town for treatment. I ate a lot of fast food. Not to mention the added stress. I didn't handle it very well at all. I ate my sadness away. I'm back to where I was before bf% wise. Been hard at it for a while now. Everything is right back to where I was when I stoped working out. However I don't look the same. I will never have a 6 pack again. Very depressing to me. So I just look in the mirrior get pissed at myself. That motivates me to just make a new me everyday.
I can't wait to see your end results. Keep hard at it everyday!

 

[HuckingFuge]

keep up the hard work. Rome wasn't built in a day.

 

[vani11agori11a]

I actually went through what you are going through now. My mom got cancer I stoped going to the gym. I put on about 60 lbs. All the going out of town for treatment. I ate a lot of fast food. Not to mention the added stress. I didn't handle it very well at all. I ate my sadness away. I'm back to where I was before bf% wise. Been hard at it for a while now. Everything is right back to where I was when I stoped working out. However I don't look the same. I will never have a 6 pack again. Very depressing to me. So I just look in the mirrior get pissed at myself. That motivates me to just make a new me everyday.
I can't wait to see your end results. Keep hard at it everyday!

Yeah, I've had a lot of crazy crap happen over the last few years, about 6 months after that old picture that I just posted, my mom was diagnosed with breast cancer. So I moved back to Oregon from Georgia. then wound up meeting my now wife and we have a few kids. and there's been a few times that I've bounced back and then got severely injured and then fallen even further off track. that old picture of me is at 208 pounds, my peak was about 8-10 weeks ago at 317 pounds. and just this year alone I had to deal with my dad going in for surgery and being 2200 miles away, my mom being hospitalized for 3 weeks and almost dying, and my grandpa passing away, all while being stuck up in Alaska and not having the ability to come back and see them or pay my respects when my grandpa passed...... throw in the fact that over the last couple years I've started drinking every night, and it's a recipe for disaster...... the plus side is that when you look in the mirror and get enraged, it provides motivation to DO WORK. Today I am exactly 1 month from 30, and am more angry than when I had to be but on an anti-psychotic cocktail as a teenager, and more more determined than when I spent a year prepping for my first bodybuilding competition (that I wound up not being able to compete in).... this time next year I WILL be a force of destruction. A genetic freak. Come hell, high water, or the grave. I will bounce back and perfect my physique.

 

[Mofotyler]

Yeah, I've had a lot of crazy crap happen over the last few years, about 6 months after that old picture that I just posted, my mom was diagnosed with breast cancer. So I moved back to Oregon from Georgia. then wound up meeting my now wife and we have a few kids. and there's been a few times that I've bounced back and then got severely injured and then fallen even further off track. that old picture of me is at 208 pounds, my peak was about 8-10 weeks ago at 317 pounds. and just this year alone I had to deal with my dad going in for surgery and being 2200 miles away, my mom being hospitalized for 3 weeks and almost dying, and my grandpa passing away, all while being stuck up in Alaska and not having the ability to come back and see them or pay my respects when my grandpa passed...... throw in the fact that over the last couple years I've started drinking every night, and it's a recipe for disaster...... the plus side is that when you look in the mirror and get enraged, it provides motivation to DO WORK. Today I am exactly 1 month from 30, and am more angry than when I had to be but on an anti-psychotic cocktail as a teenager, and more more determined than when I spent a year prepping for my first bodybuilding competition (that I wound up not being able to compete in).... this time next year I WILL be a force of destruction. A genetic freak. Come hell, high water, or the grave. I will bounce back and perfect my physique.

Fuk yeah that's what I'm talking about. Get pissed and get riped.

 

[kkk123]

25mg Exemestane daily for AI, and taking Sibutramine as well for weight loss, been on that a week and a half now, love it.

And I had the wrong body fat percentage, wife was on the wrong page of my log..... as of today I'm at 24.3% still high, but not the 33-36 she had read off to me.

And I will get new bloods done around my 30th bday, about 6 weeks from now.

If someone can tell me exactly what to ask for... last time I had them do a full on panel testing absolutely everything, ran me 600 bucks.

Great job!

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