brutalbuilt
Member
you wanna run 800mg of gear for your first cycle? thats almost a 1000mg smh
idiot.. go ahead fuck yourself up
idiot.. go ahead fuck yourself up
MESO-Rx
Anabolic Steroids
22 y/o first cycle design (Test, Primo, Var)
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Mongo966
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Good man.
PaulHeyman
Member
Wait a few years and test only. Learn how your body reacts. Test alone will make you feel like superman. Eat like a horse and grow
Your body does not care about this. It will react as it is programmed in your genes. And this you don’t know right now.
Test only is what you need, so you can learn how your body reacts
glpfun
Member
lol did research for years and settled on 1:1 test primo ratio, skipped a chapter bro
brutalbuilt
Member
good way to crash estrogen lol
accidentaljedi173
Member
I can see it now op's next thread " help my e2 is -3 what do I do?"
YatesIsBased
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Spend some money and see how far you can get naturally with a good coach. Learn from the coach, focus on diet, training, your career and starting a family.
thejeepguy
Member
I wouldn't recommend any of that. Start with test c. Start slow. Get you blood work done often and whenever changing doses or adding compounds. Hcg will add estrogen. Your balls may never work right again regardless. I jumped right in with deca and it nearly fucked my life up I went completely bat shit crazy. I'd start at 100mg test a week and push it up a little each week until 500mg a week and run your hgh. Get blood work done every 4 weeks until you find a way to balance your e2 and test to the desired levels. Bulk up. Eat everything good and clean. I wouldn't use anavar until the next cycle when your looking to cut. Your not going to listen to anyone anyways. You've got the itch. Keep us posted. Try to play it safe man.
Mongo966
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I don’t think your cycle idea is overly retarded. I just think you might need to be flexible with it. If you feel so compelled to go big on your first cycle, waiting until at least week 9 is a good idea.
If you do blood work in week 7 or 8 you’ll have a good idea of what that dose of test does to your e2. If you aren’t aromatizing much I say forget the primo and just add more test. Lots of it. Go up to like 750mg/week and run that until the end. Check your E2 again a couple more times.
You might find out that you can run 750mg/week without the need for much estrogen control at all. Then you won’t need other compounds for a while. You might find out at week 7 that you’re a heavy aromatizer, in which case you can keep your test at 400, add your primo and go from there.
Don’t underestimate a properly done test only cycle especially for your first run. Your body will change so quickly you’ll be worried.
Odds are you will be fine with that cycle but like others have said you aren’t planning for the future properly. The reason you start with test only and add a new compound each cycle is so you know what testosterone does by itself. Then you know how EQ or Deca treat you. Etc…
Let’s say you don’t react well to one of the compounds which is very possible. You would have to drop everything because you don’t know which one is fucking you up. That’s the reason everyone recommends test only on first run.
Let’s say you don’t react well to one of the compounds which is very possible. You would have to drop everything because you don’t know which one is fucking you up. That’s the reason everyone recommends test only on first run.
You're watching too much Victor Black, but have no idea what these compounds do to you. I dont care about doing one compound per cycle, as long as you have a way to distinguish between them. You need to let one come into it's full effect before changing.
You'd also be well served by bulking 20 pounds naturally, but people will do it anyways so I'll attempt to prevent your off the rails cycle.
1-12 test e/c 300-500mg per week
8-12 oral of choice, or short Ester (low dose)
11-14 hcg 250eod if you want
Keep an ai on hand
The big understanding you should gain from this thread is that you'll still gain 15+ pounds from a 300mg test only cycle. Even if it sounds boring. All the rest is unnecessary.
You'd also be well served by bulking 20 pounds naturally, but people will do it anyways so I'll attempt to prevent your off the rails cycle.
1-12 test e/c 300-500mg per week
8-12 oral of choice, or short Ester (low dose)
11-14 hcg 250eod if you want
Keep an ai on hand
The big understanding you should gain from this thread is that you'll still gain 15+ pounds from a 300mg test only cycle. Even if it sounds boring. All the rest is unnecessary.
Kylesmith1985
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Honestly not too bad of a cycle just too many compounds too soon. I'd just go with test only. You dont want to blow your wad too soon. Even with gear this shit takes years if not decades. Save the other compounds for later cycles. It will make each cycle that much more fun and productive instead of "chasing the dragon" after that magical first cycle.
I will echo "Blast and Cruise and commit. Or don’t do it." Going enhanced is a for life decision. I would go into this with the expectation of needing to be on at least TRT for life.
I will echo "Blast and Cruise and commit. Or don’t do it." Going enhanced is a for life decision. I would go into this with the expectation of needing to be on at least TRT for life.
tweek
Member
Just to reach 195 lbs at 6ft, a goal that is achieved easily as a natural
This guy doesn't need drugs, he just needs more food.
AlwaysHungry
Member
You need to be ready to be married in the needle. I personally don’t know anyone who do cycles and PCT anymore.
However after of 10+ years of juicing I’ve come back to test only that’s what I need I’m an amateur so test + GH and occasionally an oral gives me what I need.
So my opinion go for test when gains stall increase the dosage and that’s it. BUT don’t kidding yourself tell that it’s only one cycle etc if you’re going for only one cycle you’re not gonna be satisfied and after PCT all the gains are gonna be vanished.
GH that’s a good move imo if I would revert the time back I would only ran those two
However after of 10+ years of juicing I’ve come back to test only that’s what I need I’m an amateur so test + GH and occasionally an oral gives me what I need.
So my opinion go for test when gains stall increase the dosage and that’s it. BUT don’t kidding yourself tell that it’s only one cycle etc if you’re going for only one cycle you’re not gonna be satisfied and after PCT all the gains are gonna be vanished.
GH that’s a good move imo if I would revert the time back I would only ran those two
malfeasance
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6', 170 pounds, 12% self estimated
In your three years of research, what sort of diet plan did you put together? Not the future. What did you eat yesterday? Just list the foods, amounts, and the macros for the full day. If it is not a representative day, let us know, post it, anyway, and perhaps add another day that is more usual.
Just cut and paste it off your tracking app.
If you do not track your food, then start.
Then report your diet (actual, not hopeful) here. You need to do this whether you decide to inject hormones, or not, and you need to start before you start any hormones.
Once you figure out diet, your natty gains are better, and your on cycle gains and transformations become superhuman.
If you do not figure out diet, well, let's just say that there are a lot of puffy steroid users in the gym. You'll never hit your potential without proper nutrition.
Daddy Rabbit
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At what dose would you have ran your test and GH at if you could go back and do it over?
