232 lbs to 171 lbs

[Sk8man101]

Welcome to Meso.

I would guess around 15-17%

Great progress so far. I wouldnt cycle just yet, work on cutting and getting to 10-12%.

A beginner cycle is:

12-15 weeks of Test E or Cyp 500mg a week
HCG 500iu twice a week during cycle
Aromasin on hand and used during cycle when needed
PCT Nolva and Clomid 2 weeks after last shot

If you decide to cycle make sure you have everything I listed BEFORE you start.

NO. This is a bro science cycle.
15 weeks of cyp means your gunna have test in your system and be shut down for like 18-19 weeks!! For a first cycle?
The two week rule does not apply to cyp. Or even Test e.

The rest of this advice is good though.

 

[Sk8man101]

No I'm not, 2 weeks after last shot is recommended.

No no no!!

Recommended by fucking who??
Tell me who is spreading this bro science around and I will be happy to link them some stuff to read.

Half lives! Active lives!

 

[Sk8man101]

Thanks buddy! Means a lot.

I’m really tempted in doing a test E only cycle for 10-12 weeks at 500 mg every week. The only problem is I’m not sure if I should continue cutting whilst on cycle or start a clean bulk. I just don’t want to pack on fat again.

MOST people will recommend a bulk for a first cycle.
Remember steroids make you GAIN weight. Your caloric intake will determine whether you burn fat or not.

 

[SuperMaroid]

No no no!!

Recommended by fucking who??
Tell me who is spreading this bro science around and I will be happy to link them some stuff to read.

Half lives! Active lives!

Dave Palumbo. My info is 100% correct and is not bro science.

 

[Sk8man101]

I said I dont know the science, but Dave does lol. Dave knows his shit, and I already agreed to add 2-3 weeks in my pct protocol I recommend. There are no scientific studies comparing starting 2 weeks after to 3 weeks after.

Good god. Man I respect you cause you contribute to this board but this is inc

Dave Palumbo. My info is 100% correct and is not bro science.

Well advise on what you think is best but you'll be losing respect here on meso at an alarming rate.

No disrespect but I'm gunna link some threads here

https://thinksteroids.com/community...-to-run-my-next-cycle.134382281/#post-1816245

https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/third-week-of-pct-libido-death-please-help.134382218/

https://thinksteroids.com/community...-after-last-injection.134382204/#post-1813097

Edit:
Also I'll add if you are pinning once cyp once per week at 500mg, 2 weeks after your last pin you will have more than 200mg still left in your system. Probably putting your TT around 1200ish.
Did the math in my head^ but I'm pretty close I think.

 

[SuperMaroid]

Good god. Man I respect you cause you contribute to this board but this is inc

Well advise on what you think is best but you'll be losing respect here on meso at an alarming rate.

No disrespect but I'm gunna link some threads here

https://thinksteroids.com/community...-to-run-my-next-cycle.134382281/#post-1816245

https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/third-week-of-pct-libido-death-please-help.134382218/

https://thinksteroids.com/community...-after-last-injection.134382204/#post-1813097

Edit:
Also I'll add if you are pinning once cyp once per week at 500mg, 2 weeks after your last pin you will have more than 200mg still left in your system. Probably putting your TT around 1200ish.
Did the math in my head^ but I'm pretty close I think.

Not 1 injection a week. 2 injections, 500mg total per week. 12-15 weeks is normal length for a cycle. Test only first cycle. And PCT 2-3 weeks after last shot. Daves protocol was actually 2 weeks but I'm doing 2-3 weeks because @mands made some good points.

What part exactly do you disagree with? Just the PCT?

There have been no studies comparing people who took PCT on the 2-3 week to the 4-5 week. If there are I'd love to see them and I will gladly change my mind. Dave did go into the science behind why he does 2 weeks, and hes a pretty smart guy so I do have trust in what he says.

 

[Sk8man101]

Also I'll add if you are pinning once cyp once per week at 500mg, 2 weeks after your last pin you will have more than 200mg still left in your system. Probably putting your TT around 1200ish.
Did the math in my head^ but I'm pretty close I think.

Not 1 injection a week. 2 injections, 500mg total per week. 12-15 weeks is normal length for a cycle. Test only first cycle. And PCT 2-3 weeks after last shot. Daves protocol was actually 2 weeks but I'm doing 2-3 weeks because @mands made some good points.

What part exactly do you disagree with? Just the PCT?

There have been no studies comparing people who took PCT on the 2-3 week to the 4-5 week. If there are I'd love to see them and I will gladly change my mind. Dave did go into the science behind why he does 2 weeks, and hes a pretty smart guy so I do have trust in what he says.

3 weeks is better.
For cyp I'd give it an extra few days on top.

 

[OldFatAndSlow]

I did 22 days post on 650 cyp/wk It was funny, on day 20 or so it felt like someone flipped the off switch, lol. Two days later I started pct.
Its awesome to see your story as we’re a lot alike. Only difference is I’ve had quite a bit of AAS experience in prior years and I carry a bit more muscle. I too got lazy and fat fucked up to about 228. I started leaning out 5 weeks ago and I’m down to 195. I plan to get to 175ish before going on a short bulk, then prep for my first show later this year. Good luck brother, and follow the experience around here, they’ll do you right.

 

[5percentbrah]

OP, really great work on the weight loss- it's impressive!

Seriously though, don't even consider gear yet. The weight loss is impressive, but from here, you could gain a TON of mass still naturally. Why screw with your natural test levels when you've barely scratched the surface of where they could still get you?