Hey Ben, curious why you switched from Seros to Genos? I know you’re a connected serostim guy from way back, so surprised that you went with another brand.
I'm still a Serostim guy. An opportunity presented itself to me and I wound up with 180iu's in 5 pens.
I've heard guys ranking their favorite Pharm grade gh over the years. It seems to vary person to person. Some say its the fillers that make the difference. I guess we all react differently to different products.
I won't be jumping ship permanently. Doesn't make financial sense. The different pharm grade gh that is approved by our FDA are all top shelf. They are all are prescribed for specific conditions.
With that goes the fact that USA Pharm grade GH by law cannot be prescribed for off label uses. Physicians have the power to prescribe all other drugs for reasons other than what they were originally approved to treat. GH has been singled out.
EMD Serono hit the Jackpot when their Serostim was approved and then given the distinction of being the only GH that can be prescribed to treat the Wasting Syndrome associated with HIV.
Being diagnosed with HIV doesn't come with a script of Serostim. Its only a small % of guys that have the script. There's a checklist that Physicians use to qualify their patients for Serostim therapy. Basically its the sickest of the sick. When an HIV patients lean muscle mass drops they run the risk of having internal organs shutting down. Serostim, in conjuction with Testosterone and sometimes Oxandrolone, is supposed to pack on lean muscle mass very quickly.
With (4) 126iu kits of Serostim being prescribed weight gain happens pretty quickly.
The insert in each box of Serostim only talks about the Wasting Syndrome associated with HIV because that is the only reason it can be prescribed.
Its also the reason why Serostim is the GH most often seen on the Black Market when its USA Pharm grade GH being bought and sold.
Other USA Pharm grade GH have their specific afflictions they are written for. I don't know how many iu's of GH are prescribed to children with dwarfism? I do know that we're much less likely to see whatever brand of GH is prescribed to kids of abnormally short stature than we are Serostim. A parent is less likely to sell his kids GH out from under him compared to a guy with HIV and a habit.
I don't know if this is fact but I don't think Dr's are writing new scripts of Serostim? I'm told there are different meds and different ways to treat HIV in newly diagnosed patients. I'm seeing the same guys who have had a script of Serostim for many years selling kits.
Once in a while guys would bring a friend who picked up their 2nd or 3rd fill of Serostim who was also looking to sell his kits. Its been a long time since I've seen that. Its middle aged guys who have had a script for years.
These guys are drug addicts who look the part. Skin and bones. I've always been curious as to the discussion these guys have with their Dr's.
"Well, Tom. I called in your script of 18iu's of Serostim every day along with your 10ml vial of Testosterone Cyp 200mg/ml and (60ct)bottle of 10mg tabs of Var. Its been 11 years that you've been on this monthly regiment and you're actually 5lbs lighter than when we started."
Maybe they think the guys will be just a heap of bones if they stop prescribing this $13,000 minimum monthly cost for the above mentioned meds billed to the State of California?
Maybe one day I'll have to convert to the Geno's of Huma's? I hope the flow of Serostim doesn't end while I'm still walking this Earth. I don't want to live in a world of expensive pharm GH. I won't go without, though.
You know, I read some unhappy customers here in 24hr's thread. The issues are issues that can be addressed and fixed. My contact for years at 24hreup has been Ron. Ron is committed to serving the Community. I've gone to him when the scam source adnansanat sold members fake Humatrope. I asked him what, if anything, can 24hreup do to help members of the Community who were ripped off?
He decided to send each effected member a free Humatrope kit. If the member was taken for multiple kits he offered the free kit and then offered the other kits at his cost.
On the subject of testing and the domestic ugl service 24 offers. You all don't know because you can't see behind the scenes, but Ron and 24hreup are constantly trying to improve the service and products offered on their domestic list.
Its a slow process. They just don't pick ugl's out of the air and throw up the ugl's list in the domestic section. 24hr demands test results. I consult with Ron as its easier when there's someone with their feet on the ground on the same continent as the ugl's.
Its not simple as the ugl's that I feel are worthy to be on this longtime Community sources website are few and far between and are already very successful which means they are very busy as it is with day to day operations.
I hope that in 3 to 4 weeks to have a new lab in the domestic section of the 24hreup website.
One of the biggest things was getting samples out to test(20 samples) and now waiting on those results. 24hr is committed to testing. Ron is waiting for my word to cut the check(transfer bitcoin) to cover the cost of testing those samples. Its not his(or mine) lab but the lab will be serving 24hreup customers.
I mentioned this in another post here in this thread; I was pushing for the ugl to cover part of the testing. I thought it was fair. Ron said that testing is the most important part in selecting the ugl's that will serve his customers and he will never skimp when it comes to what his customers put into their bodies. We're not talking about one time testing. 24hr is about random and every new batch of raws being tested. An expensive but worthwhile endeavor.
Back when I first met Ron and he'd say things like he did about testing in my last paragraph and I thought it was for show...or corny. Ron hasn't changed, though. He has a plan for his successful business and he sticks to the plan.
The subbing without notifying customers and selling not knowing if its in stock is an issue that needs to be addressed. I don't know if the problem is logistics? But I'm gonna bring it to his attention.
These issues can be fixed. You can't fix dishonest folks like adnansanat. He's a lost cause. At the core Ron and 24hr have been in the Community and seen it all. They know without us there is no them. They are committed to improving service and quality and they won't scam and steal your money. If they did I'd do my best to take them down as low and as fast as I could. But for years they have proved to me they are in it for the long haul.
You guys who are pissed off and had some issues with whatever it is, if you give them a chance they will make it right. If not, let me know. I am not a rep for these folks or anyone else. I do know the boss and speak with him from time to time. If you aren't satisfied he wants to know.