24k Pharma US Domestic Source

Who gives a fuck if you got it fast? So you got something that you have no idea what it is or at what strength but yet you came here bragging about it? Wow, some picky mother fuckers here


Look bottomline is, he wither gets mass specs done or he is just another fly by night, scamming ugl. Nobody should order until he does do the test.

I realize he is going to send in his best product but it at least shows he has access to a quality product, he can brew correctly if he is forced to and it shows good faith. After that its up to us as consumers to spot check him with blooods, lab max and our own mass specs.
 
I don't see the point in giving your experience unless it's a negative one. All your doing is a free commercial spot for 24...

...There are tons of lurkers that are just waiting to throw their money down the drain.

And it just might stop someone from wasting some coin on some hammer shit or some other fuck stain source. Lesser of all evils here. 24 has shown more positive effort. Out of all available srcs, with limited money, he's the safer bet. All the cheerleading is over the top, I agree, but to go so far to slam the one trying the hardest just made me pop in and sound like a fucking Buick commercial. And the first one to toss out the "shill" reference can kindly fuck off - we've covered that.

Back to your regularly scheduled program.
 
We've looked into ecstasydat. To my knowledge their testing is only for identification and not purity or concentration testing. A prior source on another forum had several samples sent in, but they call came back as identification with no purity data, similar to labmax.


How hard is it to google simec ag? If i was a source and wanted mass specs done i would prolly find out how Millard Is having the crowd funding project testing done. Not that hard to read that whole thread. He said he is using simec. How hard is it to Google simec ag Switzerland? In fact he even mentions a second lab that will test in that thread.

We aren't asking a ton here. There are no source fees here, instead we as consumers require testing. Do it or stfu and get out.

This isn't fucking rocket science, we are just asking for the sources to put out a little effort.
 
How hard is it to google simec ag? If i was a source and wanted mass specs done i would prolly find out how Millard Is having the crowd funding project testing done. Not that hard to read that whole thread. He said he is using simec. How hard is it to Google simec ag Switzerland? In fact he even mentions a second lab that will test in that thread.

We aren't asking a ton here. There are no source fees here, instead we as consumers require testing. Do it or stfu and get out.

This isn't fucking rocket science, we are just asking for the sources to put out a little effort.

I have tried before asking for access to the raw data or if it's available for the lab that runs the testing for this fourm. I believe twice now I have asked if there's any availability to the raw graphs and or spectrums> Proof can be found here: https://thinksteroids.com/community...omestic-source.134360993/page-94#post-1361317

I have tried to outline in an earlier post the challenges and why it is not a simple as Googling the lab, contacting them, sending samples and receiving results. There's more details as well, but I cannot go into them in a public setting for security reasons. I hope my history, behavior and actions thus far have shown that I am willing to do what it takes to make it right for customers and willing to compromise to meet the needs and wants of customers. I have nothing against quantitative testing, I am all for it. I openly welcome feedback, positive or negative and it helps me improve my practices. Unfortunately, it is not as simple as some may think for reliable, anonymous, verified and secure routes of quantitative lab testing. As stated before, I am in no way giving up on this avenue. Instead, I am simply saying there are many challenges that sources and suppliers, especially US domestic ones , face.
 
I have tried before asking for access to the raw data or if it's available for the lab that runs the testing for this fourm. I believe twice now I have asked if there's any availability to the raw graphs and or spectrums> Proof can be found here: https://thinksteroids.com/community...omestic-source.134360993/page-94#post-1361317

I have tried to outline in an earlier post the challenges and why it is not a simple as Googling the lab, contacting them, sending samples and receiving results. There's more details as well, but I cannot go into them in a public setting for security reasons.

You can't send something internationally? Guys in Canada and USA have sent samples to Europe in countries like the Netherlands, Switzerland, etc for testing of UGL gear. Figure it out. These are consumers I am talking about too, not sources.

The lab can provide the raw data if you request it I believe, although it doesn't come attached to the report unless specifically requested. Do you feel the need to look over the chemists work? Is the labs credentials and accreditation's not good enough?

Why don't you just email them these questions?
 
You can't send something internationally? Guys in Canada and USA have sent samples to Europe in countries like the Netherlands, Switzerland, etc for testing of UGL gear. Figure it out. These are consumers I am talking about too, not sources.

The lab can provide the spectra's if you request it I believe although it doesn't come attached to the report unless specifically requested. Why don't you just email them these questions?

To answer your first question, it would be more difficult for sources because of the type of volume we would be dealing with. Everything is scaled up for sources, so from a consumer point of view, a sample or two send every month would not incur large risks. But for our type of volume, it could be upwards of a dozen outgoing a month, along with our incoming shipments. It can be done, it just needs to be done carefully and strategically when dealing with source levels of product volume.

As for your second question, the reason I have specifically asked for the raw data from this forum's lab testing is because there is a general acceptance of the legitimacy of the testing program. I understand there is skepticism and wariness surrounding source posted results. Furthermore, there also seems to be a level of skepticism with this site's testing program in regards to surprisingly "good" results. However, that is not a discussion I am in any place to debate about. I am just mentioning these because I want to approach this in a way that legitimizes the results. By providing the raw data that goes with the results with this site's testing program, I can have a better idea of what this community considers legitimate. Hopefully that clarifies.
 
Bullshit, here i will lay it out for you. Contact the lab, send payment, drive 5 or 6 hours west to a large city and seems 5 samples from different places all over the city. The next weekend, you drive east 5 or 6 hours and send 5 more. Continue this going east, west, north and south to remain safe. They send reports to email addy that is setup and checked only through tor, continue to change email info and contact info for every batch. Not that fucking hard. Payment can be handled through the dark net using bitcoin to whatever services.

Or you could match customers dollar for dollar with store credit. Or pay customers through bitcoins after they have ordered and come to you about testing.

Not that difficult really.

Either do the testing or gtfo. And why do you need the raw data? Look at the certification that simec has, what are you gonna say the test is BS? Because that won't get you fat, neither will faking a test.
 
We consider testing performed by simec legit. This allows us to verify, and its an accredited lab. And anybody that questions the lab is stupid. Now could sources get wind of who the buyer is, sure and that is what had people worried.
 
Bullshit, here i will lay it out for you. Contact the lab, send payment, drive 5 or 6 hours west to a large city and seems 5 samples from different places all over the city. The next weekend, you drive east 5 or 6 hours and send 5 more. Continue this going east, west, north and south to remain safe. They send reports to email addy that is setup and checked only through tor, continue to change email info and contact info for every batch. Not that fucking hard. Payment can be handled through the dark net using bitcoin to whatever services.

Or you could match customers dollar for dollar with store credit. Or pay customers through bitcoins after they have ordered and come to you about testing.

Not that difficult really.

Either do the testing or gtfo. And why do you need the raw data? Look at the certification that simec has, what are you gonna say the test is BS? Because that won't get you fat, neither will faking a test.

I apologize but if I were to go further into the logistics of our operation it would jeopardize several processes we use. If you wish to discuss this a little more in-depth I ask that we take this to PM. I believe as a source, we have strong OPSEC measures in place, so this type of sensitive discussion about how we would sent international samples of illegal compounds- I am uncomfortable with discussing in public.

We currently have 100% store credit for any sort of testing done. Unfortunately, we cannot pay ahead of time before the actual testing is done by customers.

I've also stated before that I will leave whenever the community wishes for me to leave. If the majority agrees that I need to leave, then I will oblige. I am simply here now to answer to questions, comments, issues and concerns.
 
To answer your first question, it would be more difficult for sources because of the type of volume we would be dealing with. Everything is scaled up for sources, so from a consumer point of view, a sample or two send every month would not incur large risks. But for our type of volume, it could be upwards of a dozen outgoing a month, along with our incoming shipments. It can be done, it just needs to be done carefully and strategically when dealing with source levels of product volume.

The logistics of minimizing outbound packages and still making sure all batches get tested is something you need to figure out, but you're kidding yourself if you think its something beyond the reach of any competent black market vendor. You already take measures like this for sending product and receiving raws so it's hardly a foreign concept for any source that takes safety seriously.

I understand there is skepticism and wariness surrounding source posted results.

Historically this has been because source posted results used questionable methodology. This community has been receptive and supportive of properly performed testing for the most part.

Furthermore, there also seems to be a level of skepticism with this site's testing program in regards to surprisingly "good" results. However, that is not a discussion I am in any place to debate about.

Yet nobody that I am aware of that has been skeptical of the 'good' results has contacted SIMEC and relayed their questions to one of their chemists. Maybe guys aren't aware that this is a benefit of using an accredited lab with verifiable test results.....
 
"weighted chinup, post: 1386056, member: 66851"]The logistics of minimizing outbound packages and still making sure all batches get tested is something you need to figure out, but you're kidding yourself if you think its something beyond the reach of any competent black market vendor. You already take measures like this for sending product and receiving raws so it's hardly a foreign concept for any source that takes safety seriously.

I believe it is doable, I mentioned it was "It can be done, it just needs to be done carefully and strategically when dealing with source levels of product volume". The sending of product domestically is significantly of smaller risk than dealing international. The receiving of raws is also logistically safer as there is an element of plausible deniability and the mitigation of risks through remailers and other methods we use. The sending of illegal products international is what concerns us because it removes the element of plausible deniability as the sender already has possession of the illegal substance. I agree thought that risks can be minimized, we just need to work on logistics to deal with our type of volume, because even with risks minimize, the safety of ourselves and consequently, our customers is the most important aspect of this whole operation.

Historically this has been because source posted results used questionable methodology. This community has been receptive and supportive of properly performed testing for the most part.

Yet nobody that I am aware of that has been skeptical of the 'good' results has contacted SIMEC and relayed their questions to one of their chemists. Maybe guys aren't aware that this is a benefit of using an accredited lab with verifiable test results.....

I am not questioning the authenticity of the lab, but I do wish for more information and specifically the raw data that corresponds with publicly posted results. As many would agree, one should not blindly trust anyone, there needs to be a level of verification. A publicly available dataset with the spectrums, standards, and analysis of a few of the currently published lab reports is all we are asking for at this time.
 
I believe it is doable, I mentioned it was "It can be done, it just needs to be done carefully and strategically when dealing with source levels of product volume". The sending of product domestically is significantly of smaller risk than dealing international. The receiving of raws is also logistically safer as there is an element of plausible deniability and the mitigation of risks through remailers and other methods we use. The sending of illegal products international is what concerns us because it removes the element of plausible deniability as the sender already has possession of the illegal substance. I agree thought that risks can be minimized, we just need to work on logistics to deal with our type of volume, because even with risks minimize, the safety of ourselves and consequently, our customers is the most important aspect of this whole operation.

I suspect that pretty soon more and more domestic small operations are going to jump on international testing in European labs. You will have to get acclimated sooner or later with this in order to stay competitive. That is speculation on my part, but I've already seen some examples of increased interest in testing thanks to Anaboliclab - labs are starting to realize verifiable testing is available and there is no excuse not to perform analytical testing on raw materials or finished products.

If you aren't motivated to do this now, you will be when your competitors start jumping on international testing.

I am not questioning the authenticity of the lab, but I do wish for more information and specifically the raw data that corresponds with publicly posted results. As many would agree, one should not blindly trust anyone, there needs to be a level of verification. A publicly available dataset with the spectrums, standards, and analysis of a few of the currently published lab reports is all we are asking for at this time.

If your argument is that you want the raw data to look over the chemists work to check for mistakes or something ridiculous like that then I think you are missing the point of an accredited lab. If you want to raw data just to have more disclosure for the sake of having more disclosure then that is commendable. They will more than likely provide it if you request it. That should be the LAST thing stopping you from moving forward.
 
weighted chinup, post: 1386063, member: 66851"]I suspect that pretty soon more and more domestic small operations are going to jump on international testing in European labs. You will have to get acclimated sooner or later with this in order to stay competitive. That is speculation on my part, but I've already seen some examples of increased interest in testing thanks to Anaboliclab - labs are starting to realize verifiable testing is available and there is no excuse not to perform analytical testing on raw materials or finished products.

If you aren't motivated to do this now, you will be when your competitors start jumping on international testing.

I agree. There should be nothing fear if honest labs are doing what they are suppose to do be doing. If raws come back very poor they will finally have credible evidence to go back to their suppliers and can help the community out poor raw suppliers. If raws come back acceptable, then they can dose up to the advertised label, or bring the advertised label to the tested purity. If raws come back good, then proceed to use raws for finished product. If finished products do not come back with the same potency as raws, the source needs to look at their brewing practices. Cost is not an issue, the amount of business and satisfied and reassured customers this would break would be tenfold the investment. Please don't get me wrong, I am supportive of this move, there should be accountability. AAS are not cheap, customers spend their hard earned money on products sources produce. These customers should get what they pay for.


If your argument is that you want the raw data to look over the chemists work to check for mistakes or something ridiculous like that then I think you are missing the point of an accredited lab. If you want to raw data just to have more disclosure for the sake of having more disclosure then that is commendable. They will more than likely provide it if you request it. That should be the LAST thing stopping you from moving forward.[/QUOTE]


That is not our intention, I do not doubt the authenticity or testing methods. The reason we ask is because we have had some labs and suppliers send testing results, COAs, etc that could have been either fabricated, done on purified standards that they themselves do not sell, results from another supplier and not their own, etc. By having access to the raw data to results that have been publicly published, it give us something very real, concrete and applicable, if that makes sense. It matches raw data with a real world application and lab, and the method in which they determined the purity would match the current published reports.

Please understand that I am in no way trying to be contentious or resist the idea of quantitative testing - it would only help and improve our operation. My intention of my first responses was to try and give a, albeit limited, look into why in many cases it is not as simple as it may seem for sources. I am hesitant to give much more information in this regard because of the public nature of this forum. Hopefully you understand.
 
I believe it is doable, I mentioned it was "It can be done, it just needs to be done carefully and strategically when dealing with source levels of product volume".


Then do it.

And report back when you do. Let's be honest, you're still going to get a shit ton of orders of noobs who would Google steroids and buy from the first link they see. And that's fine, business is business and it will far exceed your costs in the meantime. But if you want repeat quality business you know what has to be done.

Enough of the long winded novel responses on this topic. I generally like what you have to say, I won't lie. You make great points in a very well thought out, articulate manner, and seem to actually understand business 101.

But you know the deal. Actions, not words.
 
Then do it.

And report back when you do. Let's be honest, you're still going to get a shit ton of orders of noobs who would Google steroids and buy from the first link they see. And that's fine, business is business and it will far exceed your costs in the meantime. But if you want repeat quality business you know what has to be done.

Enough of the long winded novel responses on this topic. I generally like what you have to say, I won't lie. You make great points in a very well thought out, articulate manner, and seem to actually understand business 101.

But you know the deal. Actions, not words.

We will shift priorities. Admittedly lately we've been trying to bolster our stock as we had continuous request for certain products, our top priorities and actions were not towards working on testing avenues- it was on the list but we were not pursuing it as hard as we should have. If the SIMEC lab is the preferred and accept lab here, that is the avenue I will begin to devote more time and resources to. Please understand though, our security will be our number one certain so if we do pursue this avenue and do procure results - I am hesitant to divulge heavily into follow up. This meaning, if we get results we will post them and not make any comments, and let the community decide. Again this is all tentative and I cannot guarantee it can be done immediately or even give a time frame, but I do promise to make this one of our top priorities if this is the direction the board would like me to go.

In terms of stopping sales, I have ceased advertising or selling on this forum. Again, I am here for questions, concerns, comments, etc. I am here as customer support and to answer anything that comes up. I am on other forums, so it would be unfair to cease sales for other forums due to the wishes of this forum. The auto stock list is in-discriminatory so unfortunately a hard stop to sales cannot be accommodated. Thanks for understanding.
 
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