"25% of young steroids users have clogged coronary arteries"

[explodingHeart]

25% of young steroids users have clogged coronary arteries

In 1 in 4 young men who train with weights and use steroids, coronary arteries are silting up. Brazilian researchers at the Universidade de Sao Paulo studied a group of 20 young steroids users.

www.ergo-log.com

The longer the history of use, the lower the concentration of HDL in the blood of the steroid users.



When the researchers determined the condition of the coronary arteries with scans, they found no indications of coronary disease in sedentary men and natural bodybuilders.



However, the researchers did find a preclinical deterioration of the coronary arteries among the steroids users. In this group, a quarter of the men had clogged or calcified coronary arteries. The more years of steroids use, the greater the amount of plaque the users had in their coronary arteries.

Take aways:

Bad lipids are doing irreversible permanent damage to your arteries.

Atherosclerosis begins in childhood. We all die with it. Most never notice it until they have a heart attack.

Check your lipids during the peak of your cycles to see how much damage you're doing to yourself.

Personally I'd aim for an LDL under 70 and an ApoB of under 60. However even if you (hopefully) use statins to smash down your awful lipids, there's still a question of low HDL which most steroid users almost always have.


"But my CAC scan!"
It's somewhat of a worthless test because it takes decades for plaque to calcify and show up on the scan. By the time you see any, you're already screwedd.

John Meadows had a decent CAC score at 45 right before his death.

View: https://www.instagram.com/p/BelwbuUFJv4/

 

[boogieboard55]

Good post, im aiming for under 70mgdl LDL.

i think pcsk9 inhibitors will be a game changer if they come down in price.

 

[Zerg]

Scary shit.

 

[finroid]

So how many other (non-AAS plebeians) young people had clogged arteries? For some weird reason past 2 years there has been quite uptick in sudden heart attacks and heart diseases in young people..

 

[Zerg]

So how many other (non-A plebeians) young people had clogged arteries? For some weird reason past 2 years there has been quite uptick in sudden heart attacks and heart diseases in young people..

this is a good point. The military can't even find kids heathy enough to pass basic fitness test that they have already nerfed.

 

[Ttran1485]

Make sure to run your statins people. I find it ironic that most aren't afraid of using grams of gear but fear Atorvastatin

 

[freakyjacked29]

more so take a blood thinner medication like apixaban or warfarin or aspirin to prevent blood clotting or a stroke far superior for longevity

This is how John died due too a blood clot cause of having a blood clotting conditioned and the vaccine having serious death in people with factor five Leiden
(genetic blood clotting factor)

 

[Rido]

more so take a blood thinner medication like apixaban or warfarin or aspirin to prevent blood clotting or a stroke far superior for longevity

Absolutely not eliquis or Coumadin. This should be prescribed by a doctor

taking that can cause you to have a hemorrhage and bleed to death. It shouldn't be used unless necessary

 

[freakyjacked29]

Absolutely not eliquis or Coumadin. This should be prescribed by a doctor

taking that can cause you to have a hemorrhage and bleed to death. It shouldn't be used unless necessary

Yes you have to be careful with certain supplements as it can cause bleeding but no food interactions like with warfarin warfarin is a horrible drug inr levels never stable interacts with many supplements anabolics etc very bad

apexiban no issues whatsoever been 5 years now.

 

[Rido]

Yes you have to be careful with certain supplements as it can cause bleeding but no food interactions like with warfarin

These drugs are a different level. I mean it when no one should take it unless prescribed... It's alot stronger than baby aspirin

 

[OmL]

I take rosuvastatin daily. I tolerate it so well that I don’t even know I’m using it.

 

[freakyjacked29]

These drugs are a different level. I mean it when no one should take it unless prescribed... It's alot stronger than baby aspirin

Yeah only use this if prescribed and monitored I agree do not self mediate but it is a life saver for people like me with factor five lieden who would’ve been dead by now.

 

[Rido]

Yeah only use this if prescribed and monitored I agree do not self mediate but it is a life saver for people like me with factor five lieden who would’ve been dead by now.

Yea.. I mean they typically save it for people with history of a thrombosis, hypercoagulation, things like your illness, etc.

 

[TinyLegs]

These drugs are a different level. I mean it when no one should take it unless prescribed... It's alot stronger than baby aspirin

My Total cholesterol was 228, went on a statin I am now at 118 in a few months. LDL still sucks tho.

Do you believe I should do baby aspirin protocol as well? I did years of blast cycles (one cycle after another) there was a couple periods of 6+ month breaks, but overall I did steroids hard for 10 years or so.

At this point in my life I’m dialing it back. Taking vitamins and proven herbal supplements that can help the heart and body.

Will probably see a cardiologist in the next couple months to see the extent of damage I did to the heart.

Catching COVID a few times also did a number on the heart I feel like.

 

[Rido]

My Total cholesterol was 228, went on a statin I am now at 118 in a few months. LDL still sucks tho.

Do you believe I should do baby aspirin protocol as well? I did years of blast cycles (one cycle after another) there was a couple periods of 6+ month breaks, but overall I did steroids hard for 10 years or so.

They had some changes to the reccomendation of baby aspirin. They said they don't reccomend it anymore.

But if you have a family history of blood clots I don't see how it cause more harm than good... People been doing it for so many years... But ask your doctor...

Other factors that can play a role in blood clots other than clotting and cholesterol is elasticity of blood vessels which can be an issue for sure. nicotine is the most infamous one for hardening of vessels.

The definition of arteriosclerosis vs atherosclerosis is a little weird.

The whole thing of total cholesterol seems like it keeps changing and I haven't kept up with the reccomendations. My cholesterol hasn't been messed up except for being on tren.


Typically if people remain nearly isocaloric with no genetic issues they should be fine (obviously drugs change this)

But if you are genetically predisposed then you may be fucked.

I haven't looked too much in cholesterol aiding agents as I had no need to look into it. Especially if my main reading of poor cholesterol was tren induced.

 

[TinyLegs]

They had some changes to the reccomendation of baby aspirin. They said they don't reccomend it anymore.

But if you have a family history of blood clots I don't see how it cause more harm than good... People been doing it for so many years... But ask your doctor...

Other factors that can play a role in blood clots other than clotting and cholesterol is elasticity of blood vessels which can be an issue for sure. nicotine is the most infamous one for hardening of vessels.

The definition of arteriosclerosis vs atherosclerosis is a little weird.

The whole thing of total cholesterol seems like it keeps changing and I haven't kept up with the reccomendations. My cholesterol hasn't been messed up except for being on tren.


Typically if people remain nearly isocaloric with no genetic issues they should be fine (obviously drugs change this)

But if you are genetically predisposed then you may be fucked.

I haven't looked too much in cholesterol aiding agents as I had no need to look into it. Especially if my main reading of poor cholesterol was tren induced.

Mostly I’m trying to off set the heart from working so much and be more efficient. I dropped weight from 240 to 215 to be more helpful on the heart. Muscle or fat doesn’t matter, heart is working overtime. Hate looking smaller, but that’s life man. I got more veins now than Wolverine so I guess that’s cool.

My Fitbit says my resting bpm is 75-80 but during the day when I am awake it’s more like 90-100.

I have had bad cholesterol since I was 18 years old also was doing anabolics around that time as well so no shocker anabolics didn’t help, but they weren’t the sole cause as I believe it is likely genetics.

 

[Rido]

Mostly I’m trying to off set the heart from working so much and be more efficient. I dropped weight from 240 to 215 to be more helpful on the heart. Muscle or fat doesn’t matter, heart is working overtime. Hate looking smaller, but that’s life man. I got more veins now than Wolverine so I guess that’s cool.

My Fitbit says my resting bpm is 75-80 but during the day when I am awake it’s more like 90-100.

I have had bad cholesterol since I was 18 years old also was doing anabolics around that time as well so no shocker anabolics didn’t help, but they weren’t the sole cause as I believe it is likely genetics.

Yes. Just have to try to minimize damage for sure. Better to look good for a longer period of time than an early grave.

That's funny you mentioned it.
I just got a Fitbit to focus more on my cardiovascular health. I got the inspire 3. I wish I got it sooner. I love this thing.

 

[Deleted member 134759]

So how many other (non-AAS plebeians) young people had clogged arteries? For some weird reason past 2 years there has been quite uptick in sudden heart attacks and heart diseases in young people..

The clot shot killed a lot of otherwise healthy young people and athletes

 

[HB_22]

Not sure if I would have any benefit by taking a statin. I think I have pretty good lipid levels, probably due to genetics.


This is how they look on cruise (150mg Test + 30mg Primo):

Hdl: 71
Ldl : 61
Triglycerides: 43





During small blast (400mg Test + 200mg primo):

Hdl: 40
Ldl: 71
Trigs: 63






This was 3 years ago with 1g total, 800mg of test + 30mg anavar ed + 0,5mg arimidex e3d:





The good thing is they dont get any worse than that. Lowest I got hdl to was 35 with 1g of weekly gear and that included anavar as oral, ldl was low too. Every time I try low dose atorvastatin (5mg ed) I get muscle pain a couple days in and then I just stop. I think my ldl is generally too low, not sure why, but I guess that's more like a blessing in this case, what you guys think?

I wonder if it's even possible to build up more plaque than usual with my low levels of cholesterol? Is there any study on it?

 

[Adg99]

Does anyone have any success keeping anything healthy while on tren? Even less than 200mg per week?