3.5 years Steroids recovery log

[Juced]

I think you misread something, i DO a full pct.
I am starting my serms, both clomid and nolva on Monday.
I have two more injections of hcg to go, then I will start the serms.

I am doing the power pct.

The thing about coming off cold, was just me saying that its worthless going to an endo here as they cost a shitton of money and want you to just stop the AAS without further medication. In my trainingspartners case, he still recovered but Im not taking risks. He might have been lucky, but it also makes me very confident i will recover as good or even better with proper (self prescribed) pct.
My trainingspartner paid more for an endo; who let him go off cold turkey than i did to get all the legit pct products.

MY bad, I guess I took that in wrong.
Yes is always a good idea to do a PCT like you mentioned, its not overly costly and will only help recovery.

good luck man!
Let us know how it goes, update!

 

[nervje]

Alright, big update
I couldnt post much because i had a stressy working week.
So, to sum up:
Last test p pin was at march 28th.
The last 10 days before my last test pin i did 5 shots of hcg@2000iu eod. after the last pin another 10 days of hcg@2000iu eod. i had like a little hcg in a prefilled syringe which i injected too, so its 11 injections in total. Last injection was on friday, 7th of april.
I did get bloodwork on monday, 10th of april, which looks as followed:

LH: 0,0 (Range: 0,5-12,1)
FSH: <0,05 (Range: 1-12)
Testosterone: 0,38 (Range: 2,53-8,05)
Estrogen: 19 (Range: 11-44)

Right after the bloodwork, I started the serms, which are now at

50mg clomid ed
20mg nolva ed

Currently I run the hgh/peptide/slin protocol as followed:

Morning:
100mcg Ghrp2/cjc no dac
20 mins later
3iu hgh
60mins later
10iu humalog

Preworkout:
100mcg Ghrp2/cjcnodac
10iu slin

Post workout:
10iu Slin

Pre-bed:
100mcg ghrp2/cjcnodac
20 mins later
2iu hgh

Training goes on normally atm, no strength or weightloss really, good pumps, sore after each workout.
Im not as motivated sometimes, somestimes im aggressive as fuck.

Opinions on bloodwork?
Does it look primary hypogonodal?
Does lh/fsh sink down to 0 after lets say 5 days of the last hcg pin?
Cuz totai it was 20000ius hcg in 20 days?

 

[Erin]

Alright, big update
I couldnt post much because i had a stressy working week.
So, to sum up:
Last test p pin was at march 28th.
The last 10 days before my last test pin i did 5 shots of hcg@2000iu eod. after the last pin another 10 days of hcg@2000iu eod. i had like a little hcg in a prefilled syringe which i injected too, so its 11 injections in total. Last injection was on friday, 7th of april.
I did get bloodwork on monday, 10th of april, which looks as followed:

LH: 0,0 (Range: 0,5-12,1)
FSH: <0,05 (Range: 1-12)
Testosterone: 0,38 (Range: 2,53-8,05)
Estrogen: 19 (Range: 11-44)

Right after the bloodwork, I started the serms, which are now at

50mg clomid ed
20mg nolva ed

Currently I run the hgh/peptide/slin protocol as followed:

Morning:
100mcg Ghrp2/cjc no dac
20 mins later
3iu hgh
60mins later
10iu humalog

Preworkout:
100mcg Ghrp2/cjcnodac
10iu slin

Post workout:
10iu Slin

Pre-bed:
100mcg ghrp2/cjcnodac
20 mins later
2iu hgh

Training goes on normally atm, no strength or weightloss really, good pumps, sore after each workout.
Im not as motivated sometimes, somestimes im aggressive as fuck.

Opinions on bloodwork?
Does it look primary hypogonodal?
Does lh/fsh sink down to 0 after lets say 5 days of the last hcg pin?
Cuz totai it was 20000ius hcg in 20 days?

1) Your bloodwork doesn't actually tell much because you were using HCG during washout, right up until your blood test (see 3).
2) No, it's not primary because LH and FSH are undetectable.
3) HCG suppresses LH and FSH. That is why HCG should not be used during washout.

Too late to change anything now. Stay on your SERMs - always keep another month's supply on-hand in case you want to continue therapy.

 

[nervje]

1) Your bloodwork doesn't actually tell much because you were using HCG during washout, right up until your blood test (see 3).
2) No, it's not primary because LH and FSH are undetectable.
3) HCG suppresses LH and FSH. That is why HCG should not be used during washout.

Too late to change anything now. Stay on your SERMs - always keep another month's supply on-hand in case you want to continue therapy.

But isnt the point of power pct to kickstart gonads at the very end of a long cycle, transition into washout and then continue the serms? U think i shouldve waited until the test cleared then do the hcg?

 

[Erin]

But isnt the point of power pct to kickstart gonads at the very end of a long cycle, transition into washout and then continue the serms? U think i shouldve waited until the test cleared then do the hcg?

I think the point is to "(re-)sensitize"/"prime" the Leydig cells for LH. That makes sense on-cycle when endogenous LH is suppressed anyway, but during washout, it's just going to continue to suppress the H-P axis.
No, you should not have waited until the exogenous test washed out, you should have used HCG throughout the cycle, or at least stopped HCG with your last test injection.

 

[tubesox]

So to motivate myself to keep diet and training in check, i will create a log here, commentating my recovery from a 3.5 years 'cycle' of AAS use.
Also this may be quite educational for people who think about start using steroids, especially the young ones.


All I am going to talk about in here, is based on personal experience and im going to be as detailed as possible.

I am 23 right now myself, I started my first injection of testosterone shortly after my 20th birthday.
Before I started juicing, I have been training for 3 and a half years, all natural, never had any training logs, but I remember weighing around 60kgs when I started training at 5'8 height.
After those years of natural training, I was around 90kgs, of course fairly high body fat percentage, but I had a little belly when I started training at 16 already.
I had noone to teach me how to lift, no one to show me how to diet properly, all I knew back than, and actually all I know now, comes from internet research, from error and trial, watching my body change on certain training routines, diets, cycles.

Before I continue, Id like to ask certain people if they could at least stop their trolling/flaming in this thread, its more of a personal thing, and like I said educational thing because I could never find a detailed pct log from years of abuse after countless hours of researching.
So if you did not do the same thing as me (even though its not smart) and youve just ran a bunch of 10 week cycles and come here to talk shit now, fuck off and go play in the ball pit.

So lets continue with my small introduction.
My first 'cycle' was, like every beginners cycle should be, test enanthate 250mg e5d.
I ran it for almost half a year, gained alot of weight, strength, puffy, water and fat as fuck.
Then I changed source, and I have got ahold of some fakes. And I shot those fakes for almost another half a year, wondering why strength doesnt increase, size doesnt increase, but weight increase, because I was getting fatter. So after almost another 6 months of shooting fake gear, I found out I had the testosterone level of an infant. Talked about it with the source, boom, got ahold of alpha pharma test, thats where everything went up.
So 6 months of test e 250mg e5d, 6 months of olive oil, 2 and a half more years of minimum 750mg testosterone enanthate or cypionate a week.
Yep I didnt blast and cruise, I blasted the ongoing 2.5 years at a fairly high dose, a minimum of 500mg e5d (750mg a week), sometimes did 750mg e5d (1g a week), sometimes added in tren ace at 350mg for a few weeks, tren enanthate at 700mg for a few weeks, I had used dbols, short 3 or 4 week blast of deca 400mg a week, lots of clen cycles.
So in this 2.5 year period I did test, tren, deca, dbols and clen, the tren i did mostly for like 8 weeks, had 1 or 2 months off, upped my test in that off period , then did another trenblast so pretty crazy and uncontrolled abuse of steroids.
What I learned from this?

Steroids wont do shit for you if you dont do shit.

Tren is useless if youre not gonna do that cardio and proper training.
Its not all about taking shit, it wont replace a proper diet and proper training.
Most of the 'crazy' dosages were in 2015, in 2016 I only had 2 tren hex runs, both around 2 months, in the very beginning and then before christmas time, controlled, low dosed and way better body and strength than on the crazy dosages.

So how did my body change over time?

well like i said, when i had my first injection i was around 90kgs, I did the typical bulk and cut approach, I enjoy food too much to be consistent year around.
So my highest weight basically was in august 2016, at 115kg at 5'8.
Since then ive been dieting, now im almost down to 90kg, lowest bodyfat I have been in my entire life, almost the strongest I have been in my entire life.
Currently I run test propionate, 0.7ml eod, to have 250mg a week, tapering off from enanthate, let it flush out.
Same time i am on 4ius of hgh ed.
I will continue to shoot 4 ius of hgh throughout my pct, to help with training recovery and to help keep as much tissue as possible.
I decided to make my pct look like this:

I will start the hcg shots, when I have 10 days of test propionate left (20 days hcg protocol from power pct)

10 days of hcg, at 2000iu EOD
-LAST PROPIONATE PIN
10 days of hcg, at 2000iu EOD
2 days after my last hcg shot I start the SERMS:

4 weeks clomid at 50mg ed
6 weeks nolva at 20mg ed

So I will keep this updated with training progression, bloodlevels, random statements how training went, how I feel like and stuff like that.

Oh, and for the shittalkers,
my trainingspartner who did the exact same cycle as me, went off cold turkey in november, no pct no nothing, as advised by his endo, and got positive bloodwork back today.
Ranges are in the lower end, but went back up from being 0, so no neighbours gonna bang my future wife, im looking at you justfish lol

After a substantial 6 month cycle I went to and endocrinologist. I was on 50 mg clomid for six months and three months worth of hcg therapy. Just a thought. Good luck man.

 

[suncom3]

wow 6 months, what were your t levels and lipids like for most of that period?

 

[nervje]

So I went to chest training yesterday, all hgh/insulin shots were as planned, strength was amazing, i did more weight and reps than last session, overall i can still say no single pound of strength/weightloss so far.
Only problems i have are joints and tendons for sure. I could feel my chest tendons ache when i benchpressed, i did legs 4 days ago and today cant even properly sit down to take a piss.
My whole hips hurting as fuck, knees hurt and whatnot.
Any tips on supporting my joints and tendons so i can keep my training up?

Also noticed alot more acne, idk if its just like randomly or if it is the hormonal imbalance but i started to ger pimples on chest, abs, shoulders and back again . Didnt really have much problems with acne on abs abs and chest the last 3 years before. Any tips on that, except roaccutane?
Im afraid the hgh will be useless since roaccutane and nolva both seem to lower igf1 levels?

 

[Erin]

Also noticed alot more acne, idk if its just like randomly or if it is the hormonal imbalance but i started to ger pimples on chest, abs, shoulders and back again . Didnt really have much problems with acne on abs abs and chest the last 3 years before. Any tips on that, except roaccutane?
Im afraid the hgh will be useless since roaccutane and nolva both seem to lower igf1 levels?

Don't take Roaccutane. Try to shower and exfoliate both morning and evening.

 

[nervje]

Don't take Roaccutane. Try to shower and exfoliate both morning and evening.

Yes thats what im trying to do.
Had acne problems when i first started tesoststerone at 250mg a week, roaccutane cleared it all back then; thats why im wondering since its been said to me that it makes the acne go away forever since the medication changes your skin glands kind of (sorry dont know the exact english words)

 

[Erin]

Yes thats what im trying to do.
Had acne problems when i first started tesoststerone at 250mg a week, roaccutane cleared it all back then; thats why im wondering since its been said to me that it makes the acne go away forever since the medication changes your skin glands kind of (sorry dont know the exact english words)

Yes, it induces apoptosis of sebaceous gland cells.
The acne should subside as your hormones stabilize.

 

[nervje]

Alright, new update

Had back session today, and strength actually did shoot up.
i hit a new deadlift pr, so very curious how the next few trainings will be.
Definately keeps my mood up.
sex drive still up, when the gf demands sex, the boys follow lol

 

[nervje]

training, strength bodyweight etc still the same.
only changes are in libido, it crashed horribly. i can get it hard but itll fall back down midsex
any suggestions on what i can do to help libido?
is it caused by the pct meds? or only the low test levels?

 

[Erin]

training, strength bodyweight etc still the same.
only changes are in libido, it crashed horribly. i can get it hard but itll fall back down midsex
any suggestions on what i can do to help libido?
is it caused by the pct meds? or only the low test levels?

Sounds like now would be a great time to get a blood test to see

 

[nervje]

Sounds like now would be a great time to get a blood test to see

which blood levels should be checked to determine the cause of ed?
i guess test, estrogen and eventually prolactin right?

 

[Erin]

which blood levels should be checked to determine the cause of ed?
i guess test, estrogen and eventually prolactin right?

Yes, hormone panel with prolactin. Note that this will not likely tell you the cause of ED - it's just the first step.

 

[nervje]

so im off the insulin and the peptides now, only 5iu hgh a day.
I feel really unmotivated to train, i lost a bit of strength, 3 weeks ago i deadlifted 220x6 easily, yesterday i could barely get 215x3.
Dropped the clomid out and got 2 more weeks of nolva.
Sex drive is non existent since like 3 weeks but comes back once in a while.

 

[Apexvallen]

Hows your acne? You getting any other obvious high estro sides? Bloating?
Any improvement on libido? You can go to your doc and get free cialis samples just to make sure you stay hard during, that should keep the lady happy. Won't help with libido obv but it can improve your confidence.

 

[nervje]

Hows your acne? You getting any other obvious high estro sides? Bloating?
Any improvement on libido? You can go to your doc and get free cialis samples just to make sure you stay hard during, that should keep the lady happy. Won't help with libido obv but it can improve your confidence.

acne got way better, also no bloating, i was bloated when i used the insulin, now i wake up in the morning and sometimes wonder how flat my stomach actually is.
Appetite got way less which sucks a bit so i have to forcefeed meat and oats to get at least the calories in

 

[Apexvallen]

Good to hear man. Enjoying your thread.