48hrs after inject ,painful and hot !

[digler]

I injected masterone and test mix , two different labs so I won't say the name , into the top of my thigh 48 hrs ago . The first day was crippling and I passed it off for pip , and now the pain gotten less but still hurts , but it's red hot and tight . It's not at the injection sight exactly but around the area ! This sucks !

 

[WhiteLedgen]

I injected masterone and test mix , two different labs so I won't say the name , into the top of my thigh 48 hrs ago . The first day was crippling and I passed it off for pip , and now the pain gotten less but still hurts , but it's red hot and tight . It's not at the injection sight exactly but around the area ! This sucks !

How many cycles do you have under your belt ??

Lets not forget that we all react different to different compounds and esters. Ace and prop esters seams to have/give more pip than others.

 

[sscales]

Is your thigh virgin muscle to injections? I'm sensitive to Ethyl Oleate and experience the same side affects when I inject Ethyl Oleate. Major PIP and the site will be warm to touch for 3-4 days after.

 

[digler]

How many cycles do you have under your belt ??



Lets not forget that we all react different to different compounds and esters. Ace and prop esters seams to have/give more pip than others.

Ive been clean for over 10 yrs , and just a few cycles . so last sat I injected into my top lower rigt thigh ,100 test p and 100 mast p , I got some pip but it was manageable , that's gone compleatly today , then I switched over to use a longer ester first in this cycle to 200 test and 200 mast enath on Monday , and 5hrs after the shot it was starting to cripple me . 24 hrs post inject I could walk again and still feel pain ant hot an slightly red . I've been iceing it and 48 hrs latter it still hurts and hot .

 

[digler]

Is your thigh virgin muscle to injections? I'm sensitive to Ethyl Oleate and experience the same side affects when I inject Ethyl Oleate. Major PIP and the site will be warm to touch for 3-4 days after.

Yes it is vergin , I'm not familiar with ethyl oleate ? I hope it is what your saying . It's warm and hurts like a mother .

 

[TheGuy85]

I have never had an issues of swelling, crippling pain, or redness from using short esters like Test Prop and Tren Ace. And I see more and more people complaining about the long esters causing pain, swelling, and redness.

I was always told not to ice it. But I wouldn't even use gear that put me through so much pain I had trouble walking. If it improves considerably by tomorrow, you could try another injection and see if you react the same. But it sounds like a gamble to me. If you respond better to short esters, maybe you should stick with short esters (though you have to do a lot of spot rotating to avoid build up of scar tissue ). Hope you feel better, and was it Test cyp or Test Enan?

 

[digler]

I have never had an issues of swelling, crippling pain, or redness from using short esters like Test Prop and Tren Ace. And I see more and more people complaining about the long esters causing pain, swelling, and redness.



I was always told not to ice it. But I wouldn't even use gear that put me through so much pain I had trouble walking. If it improves considerably by tomorrow, you could try another injection and see if you react the same. But it sounds like a gamble to me. If you respond better to short esters, maybe you should stick with short esters (though you have to do a lot of spot rotating to avoid build up of scar tissue ). Hope you feel better, and was it Test cyp or Test Enan?

Thx Bro , I'm going to do separate shots for my next shot , thT way I can tell what lab I'm having problems with , I had also used a 21g this time , that's all I had , to a 25g , I just hope it not some infection . And I agree why put myself thu this when it supposed to be helping my training and ridding and now I caint do legs . I don't get it !

 

[Candyskull]

Thx Bro , I'm going to do separate shots for my next shot , thT way I can tell what lab I'm having problems with , I had also used a 21g this time , that's all I had , to a 25g , I just hope it not some infection . And I agree why put myself thu this when it supposed to be helping my training and ridding and now I caint do legs . I don't get it !

I'm gonna say I'm 99% sure it's not the gear. Quads hurt even when they're not virgin and you don't hit a good sized blood vessel or nerve on your way in. Just man up and limp for a few days and it'll get a lot easier the more you stick them.

 

[Kubrick]

It shouldn't be hot at all. This could be a problem. Keep an eye on it.

 

[digler]

I'm gonna say I'm 99% sure it's not the gear. Quads hurt even when they're not virgin and you don't hit a good sized blood vessel or nerve on your way in. Just man up and limp for a few days and it'll get a lot easier the more you stick them.

I'm doing , I got a strong threshold for pain , it's the warmth and the redness , that has me concerned .

 

[Candyskull]

I'm doing , I got a strong threshold for pain , it's the warmth and the redness , that has me concerned .

See if it's histaminic response. Take a Benadryl and see if the redness fades. What's the mg/ml of the gear?

 

[digler]

It was 200 test e and 200 mast e , wouldn't it itch if it was a histamine reaction ? Thx

 

[Candyskull]

It was 200 test e and 200 mast e , wouldn't it itch if it was a histamine reaction ? Thx

Not always. I had a couple quad shots that got what I would call "irritated" early on. They hurt in the muscle below the injection site, and my skin had a hives like look. It wasn't really any hotter to the touch than anywhere else, but my skin is usually hot to the touch anyways. I've had the same kind of reaction from tetanus shots before. Took a Benadryl and the redness went away, and the pain subsided over about 2-3 days.

That's not to say you shouldn't pay very close attention, but infections take time and typically the pain starts 48 hours after inject and then keeps getting worse. I haven't had one personally, but I have friends that are medical professionals, and I'm going off of what they've told me.

 

[beezil]

digz,

throw a heating pad on it when you get a chance... anytime i get PIP... which is very rare these days...

that seems to help... Im guessing the BA was pretty high in the gear you're using.

 

[Candyskull]

Also, it just occurred to me too that you dumped 2ml into a virgin quad as well. The large volume is harder on a muscle anyways, let alone one that's never had anything in it. Also, you are using the Vastus Lateralis, correct?

 

[digler]

Also, it just occurred to me too that you dumped 2ml into a virgin quad as well. The large volume is harder on a muscle anyways, let alone one that's never had anything in it. Also, you are using the Vastus Lateralis, correct?

If that is the top of the quad yes on all the above , lol , but once again or maybe you can teach me , isn't pip considered a Charlie Horse feel , sometimes severe sometimes not as bad ? This is a burning Charlie horse that's hot to touch ! But what you say makes complete sense !

 

[digler]

digz,



throw a heating pad on it when you get a chance... anytime i get PIP... which is very rare these days...



that seems to help... Im guessing the BA was pretty high in the gear you're using.

Thx Beez , I have a friend that is trying the same labs prop and said the same " must have a high BA cause he was in pain also " so I hope that's all it is !

 

[Candyskull]

If that is the top of the quad yes on all the above , lol , but once again or maybe you can teach me , isn't pip considered a Charlie Horse feel , sometimes severe sometimes not as bad ? This is a burning Charlie horse that's hot to touch ! But what you say makes complete sense !

There are 4 quad muscles mate. The Vastus Lateralis is the outermost muscle. The injection site is a hands length above the knee, and a hand length below the hip to the outer portion of the leg. That is the muscle you'd like to use.

My PIP has never felt like a Charlie horse. It's felt like a pulled muscle a couple days after it's pulled, which is to say slightly tight and generally achy. The couple times I spoke of I'm relatively certain I hit a nerve or blood vessel as I had pain upon needle entry, and a stinging following the injection.

Is it soft or hard to the touch? What size pin? How many ml/min injection time? More info would help try and diagnose further.

 

[digler]

That's the muscle , and it was hard but seems to be getting softer , the pain is not as bad as earlier but I took 800mg of Advil , that was a 21g 1/12 needle at200ml dosage . I injected up higher at arms length but the area of pain is below about open hand size down to the top of the knee . Like it drained down from injected point . I used about an inch an a qtr of the needle not the whole thing . Hope this helps , I want to think it's getting better , but feel that it shouldn't happen in the first place , I don't want to deal with this again , it's fucking up my training ! I'm due for my next shot tomorrow , what do I do ?

 

[Candyskull]

That's the muscle , and it was hard but seems to be getting softer , the pain is not as bad as earlier but I took 800mg of Advil , that was a 21g 1/12 needle at200ml dosage . I injected up higher at arms length but the area of pain is below about open hand size down to the top of the knee . Like it drained down from injected point . I used about an inch an a qtr of the needle not the whole thing . Hope this helps , I want to think it's getting better , but feel that it shouldn't happen in the first place , I don't want to deal with this again , it's fucking up my training ! I'm due for my next shot tomorrow , what do I do ?

21g

You need smaller pins!!! Was that also your draw needle? Holy shit lol. Try a 25g 1" if you can get it. You can't keep whacking with pins that big. You're going to hate life, and you're going to get bad scar tissue.

Okay, it's sore down the muscle. That's REALLY common of quad injects. The muscle absorbs it down just because of gravity and muscle fibers. It was hard because you pushed too much, and probably too fast. I push faster than a lot of guys here, but the standard recommendation is 1ml/min. The fact that pain is reduced with an NSAID is a good sign. Just keep an eye on it. If it starts to hurt worse, gets HOT, gets mushy, or just generally turns really fucking weird, do not pass go, do not collect $200, get your ass to a clinic.

If you only have 21g and you have to pin again tomorrow, I'd go for the dorsal glutes (upper outer ass cheek), but make sure you change pins between draw and inject. Also follow proper procedure of alcohol swap bottle and inj site. If you have a smaller pin, I'd dump 1ml in the other quad SLOW, and the other ml in a delt again, SLOW.

Bad news is it's going to take a few injections to break your muscles in. Just something you're going to have to deal with if you're gonna juice. Break each new muscle in with just 1ml (except dorsal glutes; they'll take 2 OK). Good luck, and keep us updated.