AAS – CNS Effects

[eryximachus]

For a cycle, benzos are probably safest. The risks you mention don't generally apply to the responsible bodybuilder (heavy drinking, opioids). 2mg of Valium is probably enough to keep CNS issues at bay. Definitely 5mg is enough. I don't think 5mg of Valium for 3 months will cause a serious withdrawal syndrome.

For antipsychotics, I think Abilify is a great choice. Doesn't cause that much water retention and the dopamine stabilization/partial agonist activity causes less of a sedated feeling or more likely none at all.

I don't in any way say these drugs are ideal for years, but that's true of most psych meds.

 

[BuildABro]

For a cycle, benzos are probably safest. The risks you mention don't generally apply to the responsible bodybuilder (heavy drinking, opioids). 2mg of Valium is probably enough to keep CNS issues at bay. Definitely 5mg is enough. I don't think 5mg of Valium for 3 months will cause a serious withdrawal syndrome.

For antipsychotics, I think Abilify is a great choice. Doesn't cause that much water retention and the dopamine stabilization/partial agonist activity causes less of a sedated feeling or more likely none at all.

I don't in any way say these drugs are ideal for years, but that's true of most psych meds.

I've primarily been using Trazodone, which does work for me, but it takes a pretty hefty dose to overcome the Trensomnia. 200 mg is my default at present, or 250 on some nights. I have already ordered more as a precautionary measure since I am going through it more rapidly than I had anticipated.

I do have some Restoril in reserve as a contingency plan, but I would much prefer to steer clear of Benzos entirely unless absolutely necessary.

 

[AlexDavis43]

steer clear of Benzos entirely

^

 

[fw190jd]

Steroids and addiction

ive been at this for over 20 years, nothing very heavy but cycles nonetheless. why did i start using steroids? they work ! i always enjoyed lifting weights but just stopped growing no matter what i did. my body simply reached its full potential.
however, i was also insecure and somewhat shy. additionally i was depressed as well, off and on but enough to always make me feel as if i was different from everyone else.
steroids : i was always intrigued with steroids but had the usual trepadation of taking them; after all, they made you go bald and caused cancer and sterility. really ?. well, after some research, i came to the conclusion that steroids, when taken resposibly are actually pretty darn safe.
my first cycle was winstrol tabs ( 2 mgs 3x per day) . i put on 12 pounds in 8 weeks and was finally benching over 300 which was alot considering i weighed 168..i loved the pumps i got innthe gym, i loved seeing my shirts get tighter, and i loved seeing my body transform itself into the body i should of had with all the work i put into the gym. 6 mgs of winstrol tabs a day is barely a cycle but i justresponded so well. thats when i started my 3 months on, 3 months off career and graduated to anadrol-50 as well as parabolan and permistril. keep in mind, the the late 1980's and early 90's, i had a friend in the service over in europe and he would send us things straight from a pharmacy..none of this powder from china bull shit to where the powder says tren but its only test....
anyway, more than anything, i loved the person i had become..i became much more confident and out going ..plenty of friends and girl friends..a good thing of course...
problem was, my insecurity and shyness was still there but was masked by the steroids. what hapapens when i go off and revert back to " normal" ? where will all of that confidence come from
now? if im at a club with a hot girl no one will screw with a big guy. a small guy, forget it.. everyone will hit on her. this is what kept me going. i was always afraid to stay off and confront my true issues and this is what i am dealing with now.. this is the addiction part of it. NOT EVERYONE is taking steroids for the same reasons as i was but there are plenty that do. remember, for whatever reason, you are going to have to eventually come off. eventually the music does stop and you will need to get your confidence from within. when you are on a cycle, you have an edge in life, you are bigger, stronger, and walk with a swagger . but when its all gone, how will you deal with it? i guess you could just worry about that when the time comes.

Thanks for sharing I appreciate you humility. I see the same thing that you described even in myself go to the gym constantly and I see others that go to the gym constantly they all look the same they don't look as good as the amount of work that they put into it. They train hard they eat right they look the same. That is the thing that a lot of people don't talk about. I'm always looking for the answer to that question I've tried eating a thousand different ways I try changing my routines etc etc I think steroids are the missing link if you're looking for size increased muscle mass and definition. Course I'm just coming to that thought in my own head. I'm 63 so I don't think steroids are going to be part of my life I think that time has come and gone trying to get to that physical appearance that I've always dreamed of. But most importantly the thing you really hit on is the confidence, or do I just not like the way I look to the point which not healthy. I think you get to a certain point where you just have to accept who you are and I think that's where true confidence comes in. Because as you accurately said you're going to have to stop at some point, you're going to get old at some point and things are just not going to work the way they used to. That's a harsh reality.

 

[AlexDavis43]

Thanks for sharing I appreciate you humility. I see the same thing that you described even in myself go to the gym constantly and I see others that go to the gym constantly they all look the same they don't look as good as the amount of work that they put into it. They train hard they eat right they look the same. That is the thing that a lot of people don't talk about. I'm always looking for the answer to that question I've tried eating a thousand different ways I try changing my routines etc etc I think steroids are the missing link if you're looking for size increased muscle mass and definition. Course I'm just coming to that thought in my own head. I'm 63 so I don't think steroids are going to be part of my life I think that time has come and gone trying to get to that physical appearance that I've always dreamed of. But most importantly the thing you really hit on is the confidence, or do I just not like the way I look to the point which not healthy. I think you get to a certain point where you just have to accept who you are and I think that's where true confidence comes in. Because as you accurately said you're going to have to stop at some point, you're going to get old at some point and things are just not going to work the way they used to. That's a harsh reality.

As was mentioned in your other thread. Those people are in cruise control (gym-wise). They're not working out nearly as hard as the people whose physiques are improving.

You're in your 60's. I wouldn't expect you to be able to put in that kind of work. Gear will help, but it's not like someone in their 20s or 30s who can work a lot harder.

So yeah, the harsh reality.

 

[malfeasance]

Nevertheless, one can still build a respectable physique at 63. Just don't expect it to be a "huge" physique. The cardiovascular consequences of carrying around 60 or 70 pounds of extra muscle on a heart at 65 are not going to be good.

But there is no reason one cannot still be muscular and lean at that age and look better than almost everybody, including most younger guys.

 

[fw190jd]

Nevertheless, one can still build a respectable physique at 63. Just don't expect it to be a "huge" physique. The cardiovascular consequences of carrying around 60 or 70 pounds of extra muscle on a heart at 65 are not going to be good.

But there is no reason one cannot still be muscular and lean at that age and look better than almost everybody, including most younger guys.

And that's what I'm after, I don't want to put on all that extra muscle some muscle a little bit more volume up top and on the legs and a leaner look.

 

[AlexDavis43]

Nevertheless, one can still build a respectable physique at 63. Just don't expect it to be a "huge" physique. The cardiovascular consequences of carrying around 60 or 70 pounds of extra muscle on a heart at 65 are not going to be good.

But there is no reason one cannot still be muscular and lean at that age and look better than almost everybody, including most younger guys.

No doubt you're a jacked grandpa and look better than most at the gym, who are mostly either fat fat or skinny fat. Even the females.

 

[fw190jd]

No doubt you're a jacked grandpa and look better than most at the gym, who are mostly either fat fat or skinny fat. Even the females.

Yes..

 

[malfeasance]

And that's what I'm after, I don't want to put on all that extra muscle some muscle a little bit more volume up top and on the legs and a leaner look.

Legs are the tough part as you age. You will see leg development start to lag in the masters classes at around age 50.

Just focus on them knowing you need to devote that much more effort as compared to upper body.

Increased lower body strength will help you with a lot of various aging difficulties.

 

[fw190jd]

Legs are the tough part as you age. You will see leg development start to lag in the masters classes at around age 50.

Just focus on them knowing you need to devote that much more effort as compared to upper body.

Increased lower body strength will help you with a lot of various aging difficulties.

Thank you and how true that is my father is 85 in the nursing home now he is healthy but he can't walk he had surgery on his knees and never dedicated it to his Rehabilitation. As a result he can no longer walk and he can no longer be home alone and he hates being in a nursing home.