Advice on bloodwork from power pct

[ScruffMcBuff]

I was on self trt taking 150mg weekly test cyp split mon/thur with .5 adex twice weekly also. I stopped the protocol and started dr scallys power pct monday july 29th. I lowered the dose of hcg and went with
Day 1-16 : 1500iu HCG every other day.
Day 1-30 : Nolva 20mg/day; Clomid 100mg/day (50mg taken twice per day)
Day 31-45 : Nolva 20mg/day.

On day 22 yesterday I took a set of bloods just to see what I was looking at. I took a total test and sensitive estradiol while i was on self trt so I’m not sure if that makes a big difference to these most recent results. I am not sure if I should continue this protocol and wait another month to take another set of bloods or if these results show that I will need trt.

My bloodwork prior was taken at the beginning of june which I will post as well. Any feedback greatly appreciated as this was my first time researching and following through with the power pct protocol. Iam just unsure if i just wait this out and give it more time or if this shows i’m going to need trt.

 

[Dw725]

How long were you using trt?

 

[ScruffMcBuff]

How long were you using trt?

was doing trt for at least a year it’s been

 

[Sharkweek]

Lh and fsh are still tanked. Need more time on clomid/nolva. If you dont have more than the original 30 days worth, you need to get more.

Drop the clomid to 50 mg/day. Run that plus the nolva at 20 until your lh and fsh come up.

I had bloodwork done after 12 days, and had similar results to yours. After 30 days mine were much improved. I would guess that another 2-3 weeks those numbers will have came up some.

 

[Mac11wildcat]

Finish the protocol. Nothing to lose. Can’t get any worse than 91 for a T result

 

[ScruffMcBuff]

Lh and fsh are still tanked. Need more time on clomid/nolva. If you dont have more than the original 30 days worth, you need to get more.

Drop the clomid to 50 mg/day. Run that plus the nolva at 20 until your lh and fsh come up.

I had bloodwork done after 12 days, and had similar results to yours. After 30 days mine were much improved. I would guess that another 2-3 weeks those numbers will have came up some.

Appreciate it yeah I figured more time would be needed. Hoping these numbers climb up.

 

[Theworm]

Ok, day 16 you did 1500 hcg, it’s now day 22nd with these labs. TT is over 800 and LH essentially zero. So the hcg is what raised your TT... ie the Hpta is still shut down.
I’d do another month of nolva and clomid and recheck... personally I would do 25 mg enclomiphene alone for a month and recheck

 

[functional]

I'm a little surprised your testosterone is that low. Maybe the HCG was cleared out enough when you got your test taken. You've only been off HCG for 6 days and that's suppressive to LH and FSH. Keep taking the nolva and clomid without hcg for a few more weeks and check again. Your pituitary has just now started the recovery process. I think you need to be on SERMs for at least another 4 weeks, probably 6.

 

[ScruffMcBuff]

I'm a little surprised your testosterone is that low. Maybe the HCG was cleared out enough when you got your test taken. You've only been off HCG for 6 days and that's suppressive to LH and FSH. Keep taking the nolva and clomid without hcg for a few more weeks and check again. Your pituitary has just now started the recovery process. I think you need to be on SERMs for at least another 4 weeks, probably 6.

Appreciate it. That gives me hope.

 

[Dw725]

was doing trt for at least a year it’s been

Not a super long time. I personally know people who have cruised much longer and bounced back, even at middle age. Of course everyone is different, but I think continuing the protocol will be helpful and you have a good chance of recovery.

 

[The Terminator]

The first test with ~800 T levels, was that from trt or hCG?

 

[ScruffMcBuff]

The first test with ~800 T levels, was that from trt or hCG?

From the TRT

 

[The Terminator]

From the TRT

That’s what I thought, I would go back on hCG until you get to at the very least 400-450 TT.

 

[Sk8man101]

Hey OP when did you start you PCT?
How many days after your last pin????

 

[Sk8man101]

My assumption is you started your PCT to soon after your last pin.
Even at a low dose Cyp will take like 3 weeks to get metabolized by your system.
So you first 2-3 weeks of your pct may have been wasted because you stall had synthetic test in your system so of course your not going to recover

 

[ScruffMcBuff]

My assumption is you started your PCT to soon after your last pin.
Even at a low dose Cyp will take like 3 weeks to get metabolized by your system.
So you first 2-3 weeks of your pct may have been wasted because you stall had synthetic test in your system so of course your not going to recover

I was told to start right away but i waited 4 days after my last pin which from what you said is too soon. Thanks though it makes sense

 

[The Terminator]

I was told to start right away but i waited 4 days after my last pin which from what you said is too soon. Thanks though it makes sense

The hCG you can start whenever, but serms won’t be as helpful starting so soon, unless you were planning on an extended pct.

That’s what I thought, I would go back on hCG until you get to at the very least 400-450 TT.

Reason you’d want to use hCG till you get normal T levels is to make sure your balls are working. You can test after a couple weeks. If $ is an issue ulta labs charges $12.95 + $6 draw fee for TT test. You’d probably have an idea based on feelz if it’s working cause you’d feel better. I remember 3-4 weeks after my last trt shot my TT was ~175 and felt better after my first shot of 1000iu of hCG.

 

[ScruffMcBuff]

The hCG you can start whenever, but serms won’t be as helpful starting so soon, unless you were planning on an extended pct.



Reason you’d want to use hCG till you get normal T levels is to make sure your balls are working. You can test after a couple weeks. If $ is an issue ulta labs charges $12.95 + $6 draw fee for TT test. You’d probably have an idea based on feelz if it’s working cause you’d feel better. I remember 3-4 weeks after my last trt shot my TT was ~175 and felt better after my first shot of 1000iu of hCG.

Awesome thanks for the info i’m glad i have a little extra hcg

 

[ScruffMcBuff]

The hCG you can start whenever, but serms won’t be as helpful starting so soon, unless you were planning on an extended pct.



Reason you’d want to use hCG till you get normal T levels is to make sure your balls are working. You can test after a couple weeks. If $ is an issue ulta labs charges $12.95 + $6 draw fee for TT test. You’d probably have an idea based on feelz if it’s working cause you’d feel better. I remember 3-4 weeks after my last trt shot my TT was ~175 and felt better after my first shot of 1000iu of hCG.

I’m about to hop on hcg again. What dose do you recommend and how frequent during the week?

 

[The Terminator]

I’m about to hop on hcg again. What dose do you recommend and how frequent during the week?

Well I did about 1000iu eod for a week before going to 1000iu 3x/wk mwf...same thing lol. Of course I’m more doing an extended pct, not the power pct, and I used hCG the last 8/20 months I was on trt at ~1000iu/wk so that may have made me more sensitive.

Anyway did you feel good while you were on 1500iu eod? You could try 1000-1500iu either 3x/wk or eod, after a couple weeks get blood tests. You have quite a bit of room to up the dose if it’s not enough. If you feel like it wasn’t enough you could go 2000iu. I started lower cause I figured it would work plus I wasn’t in a rush to end pct.