ALBUTEROL VS ENDOGENOUS TESTOSTERONE QUESTION

[ddp7]

Well, I have a doubt regarding the albuterol dose.

Its safe regard the endogenous testosterone?

Albuterol will be SHUTDOWN me?at what dose?

THANKS IN ADVANCE!

 

[Docd187123]

It's not random google searches or pubmed studies. It's literally textbook Nutrition 101.

Please don't engage him in his safety zone. His fragile ego is not able to handle the scrutiny of his bullshit

 

[ergomaniac]

And that's why the body doesn't operate like an ATM machine



Keto sticks are only an indirect indicator of ketosis. True ketosis is defined by plasma levels of ketones but since it's not that easy to test those, keto sticks are an OK replacement.

And False to the rest of your post. Ketones come from free fatty acids release from adipose tissue. Adipose tissue releases FFAs and glycerol when insulin levels are low and glucagon and epinephrine levels are high. In the cells that can metabolize these FFAs, RBCs cannot for example, they mix with co-enzyme A to form acyl-CoA. Once in the cells mitochondria they get metabolized to acetyl-CoA by beta oxidation.

This by product then mixes with oxaloacetate to make ATP but bc oxaloacetate has been diverted by the liver towards gluconeonetic pathways under specific conditions (trying to enter ketosis by restricting carbohydrate intake is one of these conditions), it's not available for the condensation process. Now bc of this, Acetyl-CoA is diverted to make acetoacetate and beta-hydroxybutyrate which low and behold are you ketones....



That's a load of bullshit. It has nothing to do with someone's previous carb intake lol.

Of course some people feel great on keto, I never denied that. I only said some feel terrible on it and it has nothing to do with what you suggested here.

Then there's the fact that the evidence out there points to a loss of performance in most athletic populations with keto bc the body's preferred source of energy is glucose for everything.....THATS WHY YOU NEED TO RESTRICT CARBS TO ENTER KETOSIS IN THE FIRST PLACE lol.

you are correct. mcts have a more direct path to ketones.

I cant imagine someone who eats a high fat/low carb diet having problems dropping some of those carbs and entering ketosis. its generally those people who are used to eating a high carb diet who suffer trying to enter into ketosis.

I never said you denied some people feel good on a ketogenic diet. and its been suggested that some people do feel euphoric on a ketogenic for the reason I suggested.

I never mentioned athletic performance, although I guess its assumed that's what were talking about. and from some things ive read carbs are not the preferred fuel for everything.

I'm a little hurt that you lol'd at my post.. lol . and while ive come to have a good deal of respect for the information you post here and think you are one on the better posters, I respectfully disagree with some of what you said before and am unsure of some of the rest of it.

I going to gracefully bow out of this thread. I work 12 hour shifts, have worked 3 including last night, and have 2 more to go. I should be either getting ready for bed on fitting in some more lifting. its not an excuse, its life. and ive had maybe an hour since my last post to look up anything useful to support what ive said. I think I will though, pick up some textbooks on the subject and read through them since I feel I may be lacking some basic knowledge. feel free to post anything you feel is relevant and/or would help me further my lack of knowledge and I will read through it.

and I see you've made a new friend .

 

[ddp7]

@Remmebersoandso

Well, what part of I detest being inflamed by an excess of proteins or by a stressful diet, do not you understand fella?

Here it seems that any idiot comes and offends gratuitously trying vague to those who have a different experience, for whatever reason.
(It seems that ignorance has become fashionable or any relevant philosophical discussion such as the thread of God, are "random" discussions taken from google - let me guess high-middle class term to give you more status no?

 

[ddp7]

Well I did an update in my log

 

[Docd187123]

you are correct. mcts have a more direct path to ketones.

I cant imagine someone who eats a high fat/low carb diet having problems dropping some of those carbs and entering ketosis. its generally those people who are used to eating a high carb diet who suffer trying to enter into ketosis.

There are many examples of high carbers going to keto and having no issues to the point that I don't see that being the case. None of the research I've seen supports that either.

I never said you denied some people feel good on a ketogenic diet. and its been suggested that some people do feel euphoric on a ketogenic for the reason I suggested.

Then you have my apologies for reading more into your post than I should have.

I never mentioned athletic performance, although I guess its assumed that's what were talking about. and from some things ive read carbs are not the preferred fuel for everything.

I assume most on here are, or at the very least should be, concerned with athletic performance. Performance dictates progress. If performance suffers you don't get the most out of your training sessions. I've seen many instances where ppl try to force keto upon others who don't do well on it. Why force someone to diet on a suboptimal path is beyond me. On the flip side I've also see. People try to force carbs upon others who do extremely well on keto, ie, those that may suffer from insulin sensitivity issues.

Then you have people like rambosmurf on pg 1 suggesting he not take any AAS but rather take DNP, insulin, and T3 while forcing keto down OP's throat who already posted he doesn't do well on keto with the stipulation that he monitors OP

I'm a little hurt that you lol'd at my post.. lol . and while ive come to have a good deal of respect for the information you post here and think you are one on the better posters, I respectfully disagree with some of what you said before and am unsure of some of the rest of it.

I only lol'ed bc glucose is the preferred fuel source for the body and I thought you were trying to imply it wasn't. I should have clarified earlier that there is one lone exception and that's the heart.

I respect you a great deal as well and have no issues with you disagreeing with me. We have interacted on many topics and I am more than happy to continue that here. We can start by explaining what it is exactly that you disagree with me about?

I going to gracefully bow out of this thread. I work 12 hour shifts, have worked 3 including last night, and have 2 more to go. I should be either getting ready for bed on fitting in some more lifting. its not an excuse, its life.

I'm averaging between 70-75 hours per week at work right now so I know EXACTLY what you feel like lol. Not much time to devote to things that aren't necessities.

and ive had maybe an hour since my last post to look up anything useful to support what ive said. I think I will though, pick up some textbooks on the subject and read through them since I feel I may be lacking some basic knowledge. feel free to post anything you feel is relevant and/or would help me further my lack of knowledge and I will read through it.

As far as textbooks go, anything dealing with human physiology and/or biochemistry will be a good read. One that is highly recommended is "Biochemistry" by Berg, Tymoczko, and Stryer I believe it's called.

I'm not 100% sure on what you disagree with me so I'm not sure what to post specifically.

and I see you've made a new friend .

You know me, I'm always making new friends

 

[ddp7]

The big deal with keto,in "ayurveda critical terms" is like cannabis effect issue.

It´s a trick to move the bioenergy,believe or not Doc.

I assure you that if I start to eat breakfast in the morning I would get the same feeling as eating meat and nuts ala poliquin.

The difference is that poliquin run the poliquin breakfast - this is not a repetition - and his work is the gym, so anyone can

There are many examples of high carbers going to keto and having no issues to the point that I don't see that being the case. None of the research I've seen supports that either.



Then you have my apologies for reading more into your post than I should have.



I assume most on here are, or at the very least should be, concerned with athletic performance. Performance dictates progress. If performance suffers you don't get the most out of your training sessions. I've seen many instances where ppl try to force keto upon others who don't do well on it. Why force someone to diet on a suboptimal path is beyond me. On the flip side I've also see. People try to force carbs upon others who do extremely well on keto, ie, those that may suffer from insulin sensitivity issues.

Then you have people like rambosmurf on pg 1 suggesting he not take any AAS but rather take DNP, insulin, and T3 while forcing keto down OP's throat who already posted he doesn't do well on keto with the stipulation that he monitors OP



I only lol'ed bc glucose is the preferred fuel source for the body and I thought you were trying to imply it wasn't. I should have clarified earlier that there is one lone exception and that's the heart.

I respect you a great deal as well and have no issues with you disagreeing with me. We have interacted on many topics and I am more than happy to continue that here. We can start by explaining what it is exactly that you disagree with me about?



I'm averaging between 70-75 hours per week at work right now so I know EXACTLY what you feel like lol. Not much time to devote to things that aren't necessities.



As far as textbooks go, anything dealing with human physiology and/or biochemistry will be a good read. One that is highly recommended is "Biochemistry" by Berg, Tymoczko, and Stryer I believe it's called.

I'm not 100% sure on what you disagree with me so I'm not sure what to post specifically.



You know me, I'm always making new friends

 

[Docd187123]

The big deal with keto,in "ayurveda critical terms" is like cannabis effect issue.

It´s a trick to move the bioenergy,believe or not Doc.

I assure you that if I start to eat breakfast in the morning I would get the same feeling as eating meat and nuts ala poliquin.

The difference is that poliquin run the poliquin breakfast - this is not a repetition - and his work is the gym, so anyone can

I realize that it forces your body to use something other than glucose as the primary source of energy but for a portion of the population it is better than eating carbs. For example, people who suffer from insulin sensitivity problems may tend to feel lethargic after a carb meal and they don't get athletic performance improvement from carbs. Rather these people do muh better with keto diets. Also, epileptics have had very good success reducing or eliminating seizures with keto. If you don't like it then don't do it. I'd never force keto or any other diet upon anybody.

Oh and, me gusta la mota

 

[Remmebersoandso]

@Remmebersoandso

Well, what part of I detest being inflamed by an excess of proteins or by a stressful diet, do not you understand fella?

Here it seems that any idiot comes and offends gratuitously trying vague to those who have a different experience, for whatever reason.
(It seems that ignorance has become fashionable or any relevant philosophical discussion such as the thread of God, are "random" discussions taken from google - let me guess high-middle class term to give you more status no?

No I understand now, you wish to remain lazy and fat, with no muscle mass.

 

[ddp7]

I realize that it forces your body to use something other than glucose as the primary source of energy but for a portion of the population it is better than eating carbs. For example, people who suffer from insulin sensitivity problems may tend to feel lethargic after a carb meal and they don't get athletic performance improvement from carbs. Rather these people do muh better with keto diets. Also, epileptics have had very good success reducing or eliminating seizures with keto. If you don't like it then don't do it. I'd never force keto or any other diet upon anybody.

Oh and, me gusta la mota

It's not like that,Doc.

The problem is that such a perspicacity to extrapolate sick diets to healthy people is absurd.

In addition to me in my university, and I'm serious, I do not know ANYONE, who makes ketogenic diets or low carbs.

You're talking like everyone in the world eat our yankees scrambled eggs at breakfast haha, absurd. That's not it.

The bastard of poliquin, yes, another bastard, thinks that everyone is weak because he does not eat his damn breakfast.

The real problem is not carbohydrates is testosteroneand the hormonal balance in general.

And the paleo false argument has not an scientific basis

In fact, I challenge you to do your research, regarding the time when poliquin became "the self-styled sensei of force."

Suck this coconut bastard

 

[Remmebersoandso]

It's not like that,Doc.

The problem is that such a perspicacity to extrapolate sick diets to healthy people is absurd.

In addition to me in my university, and I'm serious, I do not know ANYONE, who makes ketogenic diets or low carbs.

You're talking like everyone in the world eat our yankees scrambled eggs at breakfast haha, absurd. That's not it.

The bastard of poliquin, yes, another bastard, thinks that everyone is weak because he does not eat his damn breakfast.

The real problem is not carbohydrates is testosteroneand the hormonal balance in general.

And the paleo false argument has not an scientific basis

In fact, I challenge you to do your research, regarding the time when poliquin became "the self-styled sensei of force."

Suck this coconut bastard

Random question, what country are you from?

Okay, forget keto, scrap all that.

I genuinely want to hear what you think you need to do @ddp7

Also, Doc187123, what's your recommendation for him, how can he lose weight with dbol and donuts?

 

[ddp7]

Random question, what country are you from?

Okay, forget keto, scrap all that.

I genuinely want to hear what you think you need to do @ddp7

Also, Doc187123, what's your recommendation for him, how can he lose weight with dbol and donuts?

Nothing special mate, lift at least 3 times a week and fasting cardio at least 3 times a week. That's my plan. A little var to help with recovery nothing more.

What happens is that I left the fasting cardio,started to gain weight. On the other hand, when I enter the fasting cardio loop, I usually start eating less. My experience. That's why I try to leave the cardio for after the lifts,in general terms.

 

[Remmebersoandso]

Nothing special mate, lift at least 3 times a week and fasting cardio at least 3 times a week. That's my plan. A little var to help with recovery nothing more.

What happens is that I left the fasting cardio,started to gain weight. On the other hand, when I enter the fasting cardio loop, I usually start eating less. My experience. That's why I try to leave the cardio for after the lifts,in general terms.

Awesome, done.

And for your diet?

 

[ddp7]

Awesome, done.

And for your diet?

Well breakfast: oatmeal porridge with 3whole eggs
Half morning chicken 150grs and apricot
Lunch:Lets say rice,pasta with tuna
half evening: whey apricot or low glycemic fruit, almonds
Dinner:Similar to the lunch with less food

 

[Remmebersoandso]

Well breakfast: oatmeal porridge with 3whole eggs
Half morning chicken 150grs and apricot
Lunch:Lets say rice,pasta with tuna
half evening: whey apricot or low glycemic fruit, almonds
Dinner:Similar to the lunch with less food

Awesome, your done. Off you go.

 

[ddp7]

Awesome, your done. Off you go.

Haha thanks mate,It's good to know that I have a decent diet and exercise routine.

 

[master.on]

Well, I have a doubt regarding the albuterol dose.

Its safe regard the endogenous testosterone?

Albuterol will be SHUTDOWN me?at what dose?

THANKS IN ADVANCE!

Albuterol wont shut you down...... it's an asthma drug. Not a steroid.

What did you eat today? I think you should start reading some recipes and learn the basics of TDEE before you start popping all these pills big guy.

Albuterol won't shut down Test
but you can feel short of breath after stopping cold turkey, especially if higher doses were used.

 

[ddp7]

Thanks @master.on

What the hel is cold turkey?

Thanks

 

[Docd187123]

It's not like that,Doc.

The problem is that such a perspicacity to extrapolate sick diets to healthy people is absurd.

In addition to me in my university, and I'm serious, I do not know ANYONE, who makes ketogenic diets or low carbs.

You're talking like everyone in the world eat our yankees scrambled eggs at breakfast haha, absurd. That's not it.

The bastard of poliquin, yes, another bastard, thinks that everyone is weak because he does not eat his damn breakfast.

The real problem is not carbohydrates is testosteroneand the hormonal balance in general.

And the paleo false argument has not an scientific basis

In fact, I challenge you to do your research, regarding the time when poliquin became "the self-styled sensei of force."

Suck this coconut bastard

You're not understand a word I say.

I said I don't ever force a diet upon someone who doesn't do well on it. I'm not trying to force keto or any other diet on anyone. I'm not talking like everyone eats scrambled eggs bc I understand differences in culture and food choices. Don't put words in my mouth that I never once said.

I don't have to stuy anything about Poliquin or the time he became big. I already know all about it.

I never once mentioned Paleo nor do I think it has any benefit whatsoever over any other intelligently designed diet.

 

[Docd187123]

Random question, what country are you from?

Okay, forget keto, scrap all that.

I genuinely want to hear what you think you need to do @ddp7

Also, Doc187123, what's your recommendation for him, how can he lose weight with dbol and donuts?

Donuts and dbol don't prevent anyone from losing weight. It's not the food choices so much as it is the quantity of food choices and how they fit within one's diet. I can get to 10% BF eating ice cream and brownies regularly, my buddy earned his pro card eating brownies, ice cream, mcdonalds, donuts etc up to 4-5wks out from his show. Now I won't be able to get to 10% BF if I eat gallons of ice cream daily but that doesn't mean I can't have a few scoops every few days if I want to.

What I recommend for OP is to get into a calorie deficit. Anywhere from a 10-20% or larger deficit depending how fast he wants to achieve fat loss. Maintain a sufficient protein intake of 1-1.25g/lb. Meet his minimum dietary fat requirements. If he doesn't want to go keto then add in as many carbs as he wants so long as he maintains the calorie deficit. After 2 wks do a refeed. As he gets leaner he might need more frequent refeeds. Cardio isn't needed for fat loss but if he wants to do it (he says he likes swimming) then do some light to moderate cardio/swimming.

 

[ddp7]

You're not understand a word I say.

I said I don't ever force a diet upon someone who doesn't do well on it. I'm not trying to force keto or any other diet on anyone. I'm not talking like everyone eats scrambled eggs bc I understand differences in culture and food choices. Don't put words in my mouth that I never once said.

I don't have to stuy anything about Poliquin or the time he became big. I already know all about it.

I never once mentioned Paleo nor do I think it has any benefit whatsoever over any other intelligently designed diet.

Yes man, if I understand what you say. What I mean is that you talk as if the idea of forcing a diet was merely a psychological question. That's my point but relax, I'm really not fighting with you, I'm just telling you about my experience.
I did several experiments and I can definitely observe that avoiding carbs at breakfast for me is a bad thing.
And of course, when I enter the loop to avoid carbohydrates at breakfast, for me it is an easy induction towards low carb or even keto logic.
In any case I never eat more than 300-400grs carbohydrates a day available, and I do not even measure it. It's also true that I'm small in comparison to the average Yankee, so that's also important to consider.There are also days like half of that and sometimes less, simply because I'm not hungry or I've drunk too much caffeine.
Anyway you could say that I like the normocaloric diets because I have no problem eating the same thing.
Really if I had to make a confession, I would tell you that the most unpleasant moment of the day, for me, is breakfast. I try to vary and be objective with a glucometer, I have ever had milk with chocolate and bread or eggs with jam and sugar with coffee, and the blood glucose is lower than egg whites/whey with oats porridge. But the energy is different. Although I have also tried to adapt to the breakfasts of normal person, because frankly I hate oats in the morning.