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if the topic is above your comprehension level simply ask me to explain it in words you can understand. It's not my fault you lack common sense and a little bit of logic to piece the puzzle together but I'll be a sport and give in to your special needs
Comparing 2 isocaloric diets one low carb high fat (diet 1) the other high carb low fat (diet 2) with both diets having protein intake controlled.
In the presence of carbohydrates, glucose is the body's primary source of energy. With high carbs your body oxidizes more carbs bc carbs are almost never stored as fat. They're primary fat is oxidation while dietary fat's fate is to be stored. With diet 2 assuming a calorie deficit, you burn more carbs, burn less total fat bc there's no need to oxidize as much fat, but you also store less fat bc you're eating less of it relative to diet 1. Net change is X pounds.
In diet 1, you have little carbs so little glucose. Very little carb oxidation so fat oxidation goes up but you also eat a lot more dietary fat so fat storage also goes up. The goal change in weight again is the same X pounds as above.
If that doesn't highlight your error maybe this will:
How We Get Fat Part 3: Back to Nutrient Intake, Oxidation and Storage
Now, here’s where people got confused by http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/nutrition/excess-protein-and-fat-storage-qa.html, and where they would have been unconfused by clicking the linked article on http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/nutrition/nutrient-intake-nutrient-storage-and-nutrient-oxidation.html. In fact, I’d suggest you go read it right now, it’s not that long and since I’m not going to retype all of it here (that’s why I wrote it the first time), it’d be a good idea. I’ll wait.
However, since I know most of you will have just ignored my suggestion to actually read that piece, I’m going to summarize a few points from it (as well as from the Q&A):
Let’s work through this backwards. When you eat dietary fat, it’s primary fate is storage as its intake has very little impact on fat oxidation (and don’t ask me a bunch of questions about “But people say you have to eat fat to burn fat?” in the comments. That idea is fundamentally wrong but would take an entire article to address). It also doesn’t impact greatly on the oxidation of the protein or carbohydrates.
- Carbs are rarely converted to fat and stored as such
- When you eat more carbs you burn more carbs and less fat; eat less carbs and you burn less carbs and more fat
- Protein is basically never going to be converted to fat and stored as such
- When you eat more protein, you burn more protein (and by extension, less carbs and less fat); eat less protein and you burn less protein (and by extension, more carbs and more fat)
- Ingested dietary fat is primarily stored, eating more of it doesn’t impact on fat oxidation to a significant degree
Carbohydrates are rarely converted to fat (a process called de novo lipogenesis) under normal dietary conditions. There are exceptions when this occurs. One is with massive chronic overfeeding of carbs. I’m talking 700-900 grams of carbs per day for multiple days. Under those conditions, carbs max out glycogen stores, are in excess of total daily energy requirements and you see the conversion of carbohydrate to fat for storage. But this is not a normal dietary situation for most people.
A few very stupid studies have shown that glucose INFUSION at levels of 1.5 total daily energy expenditure can cause DNL to occur but this is equally non-physiological. There is also some evidence that DNL may be increased in individuals with hyperinsulinemia (often secondary to obesity). There’s one final exception that I’ll use to finish this piece.
But when you eat more carbs, you burn more carbs and burn less fat. And that’s why even if carbs aren’t directly converted to fat and stored as such, excess carbs can STILL MAKE YOU FAT. Basically, by inhibiting fat oxidation, excess carbs cause you to store all the fat you’re eating without burning any of it off. Did you get that? Let me repeat it again.
Carbs don’t make you fat via direct conversion and storage to fat; but excess carbs can still make you fat by blunting out the normal daily fat oxidation so that all of the fat you’re eating is stored. Which is why a 500 cal surplus of fat and a 500 cal surplus of carbs can both make you fat; they just do it for different reasons through different mechanisms. The 500 calories of excess fat is simply stored; the excess 500 calories of carbs ensure that all the fat you’re eating is stored because carb oxidation goes up and fat oxidation goes down. Got it? If not, re-read this paragraph until it sinks in.
Oh yeah, the same holds for protein. Protein isn’t going to be converted to and stored as fat. But eat excess protein and the body will burn more protein for energy (and less carbs and fat). Which means that the other nutrients have to get stored. Which means that excess protein can still make you fat, just not by direct conversion. Rather, it does it by ensuring that the fat you’re eating gets stored.
Of course protein also has the highest thermic effect, more of the incoming calories are burned off. So excess protein tends to have the least odds of making you fat under any conditions; but excess protein can make you fat. Just not by direct conversion to fat; rather it’s indirectly by decreasing the oxidation of other nutrients.
Ok, is the above clear enough? Because I can’t really explain it any simpler but will try one last time using bullet points and an example. Let’s assume someone is eating at exactly maintenance calories. Neither gaining nor losing fat. Here’s what happens with excess calories. Assume that all three conditions represent identical increases in caloric intake, just from each of the different macros. Here’s what happens mechanistically and why all three still make you fat:
Got it? All three situations make you fat, just through different mechanisms. Fat is directly stored and carbs and protein cause you to store the fat you’re eating by decreasing fat oxidation.
- Excess dietary fat is directly stored as fat
- Excess dietary carbs increases carb oxidation, impairing fat oxidation; more of your daily fat intake is stored as fat
- Excess dietary protein increases protein oxidation, impairing fat oxidation; more of your daily fat intake is stored as fat
And I’d note again, since someone will invariably misread this that that doesn’t mean that a low-carb and/or low-protein diet is therefore superior for fat loss. I’m not saying that and don’t think that I am. Because in such a situation, while you may be burning more fat, you’re also eating more dietary fat. So net fat balance can be unchanged despite the dicking around with macronutrient content. It still comes down to the deficit.
Hey remember-whatever the rest of your name is:
Instead of spouting off more bullshit than a soap opera series, let's get you a book on basic human physiology so you can at least get a grasp on the most basic of issues.
@Docd187123 good read sir thanks for the post I may come pick your brain one day.if the topic is above your comprehension level simply ask me to explain it in words you can understand. It's not my fault you lack common sense and a little bit of logic to piece the puzzle together but I'll be a sport and give in to your special needs
Comparing 2 isocaloric diets one low carb high fat (diet 1) the other high carb low fat (diet 2) with both diets having protein intake controlled.
In the presence of carbohydrates, glucose is the body's primary source of energy. With high carbs your body oxidizes more carbs bc carbs are almost never stored as fat. They're primary fat is oxidation while dietary fat's fate is to be stored. With diet 2 assuming a calorie deficit, you burn more carbs, burn less total fat bc there's no need to oxidize as much fat, but you also store less fat bc you're eating less of it relative to diet 1. Net change is X pounds.
In diet 1, you have little carbs so little glucose. Very little carb oxidation so fat oxidation goes up but you also eat a lot more dietary fat so fat storage also goes up. The goal change in weight again is the same X pounds as above.
If that doesn't highlight your error maybe this will:
How We Get Fat Part 3: Back to Nutrient Intake, Oxidation and Storage
Now, here’s where people got confused by http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/nutrition/excess-protein-and-fat-storage-qa.html, and where they would have been unconfused by clicking the linked article on http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/nutrition/nutrient-intake-nutrient-storage-and-nutrient-oxidation.html. In fact, I’d suggest you go read it right now, it’s not that long and since I’m not going to retype all of it here (that’s why I wrote it the first time), it’d be a good idea. I’ll wait.
However, since I know most of you will have just ignored my suggestion to actually read that piece, I’m going to summarize a few points from it (as well as from the Q&A):
Let’s work through this backwards. When you eat dietary fat, it’s primary fate is storage as its intake has very little impact on fat oxidation (and don’t ask me a bunch of questions about “But people say you have to eat fat to burn fat?” in the comments. That idea is fundamentally wrong but would take an entire article to address). It also doesn’t impact greatly on the oxidation of the protein or carbohydrates.
- Carbs are rarely converted to fat and stored as such
- When you eat more carbs you burn more carbs and less fat; eat less carbs and you burn less carbs and more fat
- Protein is basically never going to be converted to fat and stored as such
- When you eat more protein, you burn more protein (and by extension, less carbs and less fat); eat less protein and you burn less protein (and by extension, more carbs and more fat)
- Ingested dietary fat is primarily stored, eating more of it doesn’t impact on fat oxidation to a significant degree
Carbohydrates are rarely converted to fat (a process called de novo lipogenesis) under normal dietary conditions. There are exceptions when this occurs. One is with massive chronic overfeeding of carbs. I’m talking 700-900 grams of carbs per day for multiple days. Under those conditions, carbs max out glycogen stores, are in excess of total daily energy requirements and you see the conversion of carbohydrate to fat for storage. But this is not a normal dietary situation for most people.
A few very stupid studies have shown that glucose INFUSION at levels of 1.5 total daily energy expenditure can cause DNL to occur but this is equally non-physiological. There is also some evidence that DNL may be increased in individuals with hyperinsulinemia (often secondary to obesity). There’s one final exception that I’ll use to finish this piece.
But when you eat more carbs, you burn more carbs and burn less fat. And that’s why even if carbs aren’t directly converted to fat and stored as such, excess carbs can STILL MAKE YOU FAT. Basically, by inhibiting fat oxidation, excess carbs cause you to store all the fat you’re eating without burning any of it off. Did you get that? Let me repeat it again.
Carbs don’t make you fat via direct conversion and storage to fat; but excess carbs can still make you fat by blunting out the normal daily fat oxidation so that all of the fat you’re eating is stored. Which is why a 500 cal surplus of fat and a 500 cal surplus of carbs can both make you fat; they just do it for different reasons through different mechanisms. The 500 calories of excess fat is simply stored; the excess 500 calories of carbs ensure that all the fat you’re eating is stored because carb oxidation goes up and fat oxidation goes down. Got it? If not, re-read this paragraph until it sinks in.
Oh yeah, the same holds for protein. Protein isn’t going to be converted to and stored as fat. But eat excess protein and the body will burn more protein for energy (and less carbs and fat). Which means that the other nutrients have to get stored. Which means that excess protein can still make you fat, just not by direct conversion. Rather, it does it by ensuring that the fat you’re eating gets stored.
Of course protein also has the highest thermic effect, more of the incoming calories are burned off. So excess protein tends to have the least odds of making you fat under any conditions; but excess protein can make you fat. Just not by direct conversion to fat; rather it’s indirectly by decreasing the oxidation of other nutrients.
Ok, is the above clear enough? Because I can’t really explain it any simpler but will try one last time using bullet points and an example. Let’s assume someone is eating at exactly maintenance calories. Neither gaining nor losing fat. Here’s what happens with excess calories. Assume that all three conditions represent identical increases in caloric intake, just from each of the different macros. Here’s what happens mechanistically and why all three still make you fat:
Got it? All three situations make you fat, just through different mechanisms. Fat is directly stored and carbs and protein cause you to store the fat you’re eating by decreasing fat oxidation.
- Excess dietary fat is directly stored as fat
- Excess dietary carbs increases carb oxidation, impairing fat oxidation; more of your daily fat intake is stored as fat
- Excess dietary protein increases protein oxidation, impairing fat oxidation; more of your daily fat intake is stored as fat
And I’d note again, since someone will invariably misread this that that doesn’t mean that a low-carb and/or low-protein diet is therefore superior for fat loss. I’m not saying that and don’t think that I am. Because in such a situation, while you may be burning more fat, you’re also eating more dietary fat. So net fat balance can be unchanged despite the dicking around with macronutrient content. It still comes down to the deficit.
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Lmao [emoji23] [emoji23] [emoji23] I'll take my chances!No problem brother but be careful picking my brain. According to rambosmurf, I'm the reason people will never reach their fitness goals
I'm surprised you're still posting. You can't back up a single thing you say, you won't buy a human physiology textbook to teach yourself, and you won't accept me teaching you for free as a philanthropic endeavor. If you wish to remain clueless that is well within your rights but I will draw the line when you attempt to take others down with you
I was the only who offered to help @ddp7, your just supporting his laziness by spouting garbage in mass quantities to try and persuade people your right. Massive walls of text don't mean it's true. Random google searches and pubmed studies done on rate 400 years ago don't provide evidence.I won't back anything up that I say because what your posting is such tripe that I would have to write a novel to correct your novel. I'm not a novel writer.
Take others down with me
Oh well, I'll carry on stepping on stage, and you can carry on with your studies and tinfoil hat making
I won't back anything up that I say because what your posting is such tripe that I would have to write a novel to correct your novel. I'm not a novel writer.
Take others down with me
Oh well, I'll carry on stepping on stage, and you can carry on with your studies and tinfoil hat making
