Aren't all religions the same? Is Christ the only way to God?

[Chip Bronson]

and i'm trying to jack-up my post count...

 

[CyniQ]

Lets put one of our arguments above in formal logical format and see what happens:

If you are a Man, then you are fallible (If M then F)
Jesus is a man (M)
_____________________
Therefore, Jesus is fallible (F) (Modus Ponens Format)

If you are God, then you are not fallible (If G then ~F) (~=not)
Jesus is God (G)
_____________________
Therefore, Jesus is not fallible (~F) (Modus Ponens Format)

Now we have:

Jesus = F and Jesus = ~F

That is not logically possible as the Law of Non-Contradiction does not allow it.

This was just an example, as I am NOT trying to make a theological point here.

I believe that Jesus was a MAN. Perfect in the same sense as Adam and no more. That is what the scriptures support and that is what makes ransom sacrifice work. Adam was a perfect human being with free will. He freely chose to sin against God and was rejected by Him. God forsaw that some of Adam's offspring would be righteous so He made provision for them by means of a "ransom". A life for a life. If Jesus and Adam were equal as human beings then the ransom works.

 

[Chip Bronson]

and i'm very frustrated today...

 

[Grizzly]

What if told my child: All birds can fly (which would be false), and No turkey is a bird (which is also false). Using that logic, my child could conclude that No Turkeys Can Fly (which would be true).

That's what I hate about formal logic. Technically(FL speaking), it is a sound argument, but it's really not. Or maybe it is. Now I rember why I hated that class.

What about

F
T
____
F or T?

Which would it be?

Let's say we have...

All Virgins suck dick because they won't have sex(False)

That girl is a virgin (True)

________________

That girl will suck your dick(I don't know, it depends on that particular vigrin)

What's the correct answer to that one?

I should know the answer, but I missed/slept through my logic class more than the others.

 

[Chip Bronson]

and my left nut is hanging lower than my right nut and this is fucking with my chi...

 

[CyniQ]

and i'm trying to jack-up my post count...

I'm a little new at this, what's a "post-whore" exactly?

 

[Chip Bronson]

and blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah...

 

[Chip Bronson]

and i'm almost at 1000 posts!!! yeah, starting to feel better now...

 

[Rod]

"I'm afraid Rod that Mr. Mensa is correct about Augustine. As I have stated before, Augustine was known to be a sun-worshipper even after his conversion. He was deeply influenced by Plato and possibly even more by Plotinus. The Catholic Encyclopedia says: 'Augustine gradually became aquainted with Christian doctrine, and in his mind the fusion of Platonic philosophy with revealed dogmas was taking place.' "

CyniQ, I do not doubt that Augustine was influenced by Plato. What I did doubt was the statement that Mark made: "Augustine ... actually seems to give Plato more credit for Christianity than Christ himself.

Your quote from the Catholic Encyclopedia does not show that Mark was correct.

CyniQ, what was the degree and extent of Augustine's sun-worship? It certainly doesn't come through in his "Confessions".

 

[garyzilla]

I believe that Jesus was a MAN. Perfect in the same sense as Adam and no more. That is what the scriptures support and that is what makes ransom sacrifice work. Adam was a perfect human being with free will. He freely chose to sin against God and was rejected by Him. God forsaw that some of Adam's offspring would be righteous so He made provision for them by means of a "ransom". A life for a life. If Jesus and Adam were equal as human beings then the ransom works.

Your missing this thing called sin. How can just any human die for the the sins of humanity. They can't, a sinful human cannot die for another sinful human. Jesus did not have an earhtly father. Mary and Joseph did not have sex and produce Jesus. Mary was the mother but the father was the Holy Spirit ( the third person of the God head).

 

[Bob Smith]

and my left nut is hanging lower than my right nut and this is fucking with my chi...

LOL!

Damn, Chippy, pretty soon youre gonna overtake Grizzly for the # 3 spot in posts.

 

[Grizzly]

Damn, an awful lot happened in the time it took my to make my last post.

Bob- Chip doesn't stand a chance. As long as this baby is till hopping, I can post all day. Let's keep it going peoples!

 

[Rod]

and i'm almost at 1000 posts!!! yeah, starting to feel better now...

Congratulation Chip, keep up your prolific output of senseless and silly blather and you will be there in no time.

 

[CyniQ]

"I'm afraid Rod that Mr. Mensa is correct about Augustine. As I have stated before, Augustine was known to be a sun-worshipper even after his conversion. He was deeply influenced by Plato and possibly even more by Plotinus. The Catholic Encyclopedia says: 'Augustine gradually became aquainted with Christian doctrine, and in his mind the fusion of Platonic philosophy with revealed dogmas was taking place.' "

CyniQ, I do not doubt that Augustine was influenced by Plato. What I did doubt was the statement that Mark made: "Augustine ... actually seems to give Plato more credit for Christianity than Christ himself.

Your quote from the Catholic Encyclopedia does not show that Mark was correct.

CyniQ, what was the degree and extent of Augustine's sun-worship? It certainly doesn't come through in his "Confessions".

Crap. You busted me. Good show. Constantine was a sun-worshipper. My bad. Sometimes I get on a "pagan influence in modern Christianity" roll and get my stuff mixed up. So much for my claims of infallibility.

 

[Bob Smith]

Damn, an awful lot happened in the time it took my to make my last post.

Bob- Chip doesn't stand a chance. As long as this baby is till hopping, I can post all day. Let's keep it going peoples!

Dont be surprised if Chip sends you a virus-laden email thereby rendering your computer worthless, just to be able to overtake you in 3rd. A distant 3rd, I might add.

 

[CyniQ]

Your missing this thing called sin. How can just any human die for the the sins of humanity. They can't, a sinful human cannot die for another sinful human. Jesus did not have an earhtly father. Mary and Joseph did not have sex and produce Jesus. Mary was the mother but the father was the Holy Spirit ( the third person of the God head).

I'm not missing anything. I didn't say a sinful human could die for another sinful human. You're a pastor. Truthfully that means nothing to me (no flame intended). Based on your posts here I can see that you have some knowledge of scripture. You are therefore aware that the word "trinity" and the doctrine as such are not found anywhere in the Bible. How can you support something unfounded in scripture?

 

[garyzilla]

I'm not missing anything. I didn't say a sinful human could die for another sinful human. You're a pastor. Truthfully that means nothing to me (no flame intended). Based on your posts here I can see that you have some knowledge of scripture. You are therefore aware that the word "trinity" and the doctrine as such are not found anywhere in the Bible. How can you support something unfounded in scripture?

Just because the word Trinity is not found in the Bible does not mean that it does not exist. Using the Bible I will enlighten you on the doctrine of the Trinity. I do not have the time to do it know.

 

[Chip Bronson]

Congratulation Chip, keep up your prolific output of senseless and silly blather and you will be there in no time.

this is a compliment right rod?... i love you too bro.

 

[Rod]

Does anybody know where I can find the complete text of CS Lewis' "Mere Christianity" on line? I found it once but forgot to save it as a favorite and haven't been able to find it since.

 

[CyniQ]

Does anybody know where I can find the complete text of CS Lewis' "Mere Christianity" on line? I found it once but forgot to save it as a favorite and haven't been able to find it since.

Hmm. No. But I could loan you my Chronicles of Narnia if you wish.