Attempting to discontinue/pct after 20 months on trt

[The Terminator]

Subs as in suboxen or how ever it’s spelled?

Yea suboxone

 

[The ole man]

Yea suboxone

Interesting. I have some friends on subs. And test. They probably have no idea of the damage they might be doing.

 

[The Terminator]

Interesting. I have some friends on subs. And test. They probably have no idea of the damage they might be doing.

Supposedly not as bad as other opioids due to it being a partial agonist but it can definitely kill libido for several hours even when you’re on roids just like morphine or fentanyl maybe not as bad. So you it definitely has some affect.

 

[The ole man]

Supposedly not as bad as other opioids due to it being a partial agonist but it can definitely kill libido for several hours even when you’re on roids just like morphine or fentanyl maybe not as bad. So you it definitely has some affect.

I see. Well I will still pass on the info.
I’ve been reading the thread. I plan to pct after 10 months cruising and blasting and I’m 47 so definitely been paying attention to your thread.

 

[The Terminator]

I see. Well I will still pass on the info.
I’ve been reading the thread. I plan to pct after 10 months cruising and blasting and I’m 47 so definitely been paying attention to your thread.

I think if you can get your nuts working then you’ll likely be good. I’ve kinda been doing this pct my own way, taking my time not rushing etc. My drs never checked whether issue was primary or secondary/tertiary but I’ve discovered that it wasn’t primary since my balls are working at least with hormones, now to just start phase II of pct

 

[kosp]

And what about marijuana? I feel my libido down when smoking

 

[The Terminator]

And what about marijuana? I feel my libido down when smoking

I heard it can lower T and increase E.

 

[The Terminator]

I think I’m like the only guy that actually kinda likes clomid, as long as I don’t go over 50mg.

 

[BirdieNumNum]

Curious, were those benzos taken to get rid of the negative mood caused by hypogonadism after your aas use?

Yeah I Still Take Them Now Chronically I have a Bit Of An Issue To Be Honest. Yeah benzos are good whilst your going through that shit.

 

[BirdieNumNum]

I heard it can lower T and increase E.

maybe, affects fsh production via the receptor. Not sure about lh

 

[BirdieNumNum]

I think I’m like the only guy that actually kinda likes clomid, as long as I don’t go over 50mg.

how u don't want to punch the fuck out of people, I will never know.

 

[BirdieNumNum]

What do you mean u by you busted a nit whilst taking benzos

 

[BirdieNumNum]

There's no data or study since I was referring to my own living experience. Maybe if I was prescribed hcg and my testes never atrophied I would've recovered, who knows? But it's been 7 years now with no recovery and I don't see any other way but TRT.

I don't understand what you guys are discussing. TRT and steroids obviously permanently lower testosterone and disrupt the hpta axis. There are tons of ex abusers who need TRT and tons of studies that show hypogonadism from steroid abuse.

But your theory is they are secretly taking other drugs and those are the cause? Nice mental gymnastics.

wait what youve been hypogonadal for 7 years? Have you taken complete shit advice from a certain member of the forum called Drjim? Even if that shithouse was a doctor regarding the endocrine system he doesn't know enough.

 

[The Terminator]

maybe, affects fsh production via the receptor. Not sure about lh

Don’t remember exactly but I read it disrupts the balance..

What do you mean u by you busted a nit whilst taking benzos

That’s slang for orgasm, basically saying that I rarely had any type of sex whether with my hand or a woman during that time.

how u don't want to punch the fuck out of people, I will never know.

At times I feel irritated/angry or more aggressive but nothing so out of the ordinary that I’d think was caused by anything other than having more hormones than 1.5 months ago. On Tren things that normally irritated me kinda got me like I nearly ran an suv off the road but still not that bad. Besides one week I did 100mg I usually did 50mg then <25mg 5 days a week, the lower dose was for FSH.

 

[kosp]

maybe, affects fsh production via the receptor. Not sure about lh

In any case, is that even relevant? Maybe just a temporary adjustment of the body. Next day from smoking you are the same.

Marijuana lowers aggresiveness greatly and instantanely, so It makes sense that maybe it takes down testosterone for a while, in order to go into full relaxation.

 

[BirdieNumNum]

In any case, is that even relevant? Maybe just a temporary adjustment of the body. Next day from smoking you are the same.

Marijuana lowers aggresiveness greatly and instantanely, so It makes sense that maybe it takes down testosterone for a while, in order to go into full relaxation.

who knows? I'd say it is relevant i.e. catabolism.

 

[kosp]

who knows? I'd say it is relevant i.e. catabolism.

I don't wanna be a muscle-obsessed

 

[Athleticgingerpta]

wait what youve been hypogonadal for 7 years? Have you taken complete shit advice from a certain member of the forum called Drjim? Even if that shithouse was a doctor regarding the endocrine system he doesn't know enough.

Yeah man. I got my own thread on here. Been hypo since a six month TRT run back in ~2013. I’ve read you’re threads and I’m considering also doing long term HCG. My labs are showing that I’m primary which is weird to me since I never did any insane cycles or super long cruise blasts.

Could you PM me what you did?

 

[BirdieNumNum]

Of course mate but remember, it's what I did not necessarily what you should do.

 

[BirdieNumNum]

I don't wanna be a muscle-obsessed

Yeah fuck it I've started smoking again myself ha ha.