AIRBORNE DADDY
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My right nut tries to hide every time I nut. Gets in the way n I'm like hun pull my sack down way outta the way, like push em in my ass or something . They're making my 5.999inch pole shorter...
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Attempting to discontinue/pct after 20 months on trt
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The Terminator
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I’d be happy with that level for myself, not necessary to have 900 to feel good. Definitely smart to give it at least a year to see how well you do, I honestly think some of these guys that say they had to go on trt prob only gave it a couple months which isn’t really that long.
AIRBORNE DADDY
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Truth be told I did it to see if it improved my quality of life with mood, energy, focus, etc...even on 600mg a week and even tren cycles I'm still zombielike, lethargic and tired...only difference is I wanna fuck twice a day and jerk off three lol...I'm taking care of business tho, ekg, echocardiogram came back good...i have a sleep study scheduled. Two sets of labs were golden...well I self let a pint of blood before so levels are within range. Thanks for ur concern brother. I'm near 50 shits not so simple and as a driver diet goes from mediocre to dogshit....
TRT@40
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Have you ever tried relatively high dose HCG with low dose test or completely without test? I ask this because when I add HCG or was on HCG monotherapy for TRT, there is/was more of mood uplifting and well being effect that comes about. I dont know the science behind it. But with HCG you are getting your body/system to work to produce the testosterone as opposed to shutting your internal testosterone production off. Some of the drawbacks are the frequency of HCG injections and rise in estrogen with high HCG (manageable with an AI).
The Terminator
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Yeah I didn’t notice a whole lot of improvements with trt, a little bit of libido at first but then meh. I actually had decreased energy cause I think I developed mild sleep apnea. High dose had me feeling ok, not high energy but stronger, libido and better mood. That’s good that you check your heart, most think blood tests are enough to tell if things are good.
Yeah hCG definitely has a bigger impact on mood and libido than trt. T does help with getting a boner faster..
The Terminator
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Hey I came across your thread from last year re fertility and I was curious if you were able to get count back up etc? Figured I’d ask here instead of bumping a year old thread..
Please help with TRT, PCT, Fertility
TRT@40
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Hey brother, As a result of that thread, I ended up seeing my endo who referred me to Urologist who seemed knowledgeable on reproductive matters. So, the Urologist suggested me to cut exogenous test to 50mg/wk, 1000ius of HCG 3x per week, added Menopur (FSH) 75ius 3x per week. I was told to follow this protocol for 3months and do sperm and hormone test. But I never followed this protocol because the wife on one hand wants another child but keeps complaining about taking care of our 1st lovely and caring child. On her day from work, wife even dropped off the little one at daycare when the little one had a temperature. It is really stressful for me when I see such cold-hearted things from a mother. I do my part to take care of the little one. If decide to provide most of the proper care to 2nd child, for the sake of 1st child to have a sibling or to have a close one to lend an ear when we the parents are old or have left this world, I will follow the above protocol. Sorry I am venting here...
Short answer to your question is that I dont have know since I did not follow the protocol. I might just add the 1000ius of HCG 3x week and 75ius of FSH 3X week to my current cruise test dose of 200mg/wk just to know if I can produce more swimmers with good motility and morphology both of which are very important for natural pregnency. You will most certainly hear from me if I follow this protocol.
The Terminator
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Sorry to hear you’re having some personal issues bro, definitely wise to hold off till things are better. It’s always nice to have a brother or sister, they might not get along all the time at first but when they grow up they would be friends, at least that’s the case with my bro and I.
That cocktail is definitely effective for fertility, I’ve even heard guys having success with lower doses of fsh/hmg, like 50iu or even less 3x/wk. If I have to go back on trt I want may add the fsh/hmg in low doses, hopefully it doesn’t come to that. So the sperm count of 2million/ml or 2 million total was with continued use of hCG, if so how much?
Ive talked to some dudes lately about trt and cycles and shit, they all told me in worst case you just gotta go off trt and supplement hcg and clomid, or hmg (menotropin) and then you can knock up a girl even on gear.
I guess being primary hypo is worse for fertility since its directly an issue with the balls, secondary hypo would be the case where hcg/hmg are used to make u fertile since the glands dont send out signals anymore.
But its just what i found out through research, apparently neither primary or secondary hypo is a reason for infertility, but @Dr.Jim or @Eman can explain better or know more about it
The Terminator
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Yes it’s definitely possible to regain fertility without stopping trt, hCG, or hCG + clomid or hCG + hmg/pure fsh, but I think coming off may give you the best chance. Read a lot of success stories of guys staying on trt and having a baby.
Those with secondary/tertiary hypogonadism have a much better chance with meds since their balls are fine, primary less likely but still possible. I’ve heard they can use the procedure where they extract immature sperm from the balls and mature them outside, it’s worked on some, like 40% of the time in those with Klinefelter syndrome.
Pretty sure both primary and secondary/tertiary hypo can cause reduced fertility or infertility depending on how severe, but not always. As long as the ITT (T inside the testes) is still high it doesn’t matter if serum T is low. When you use aas you’re basically inducing secondary hypo like state.
The Terminator
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Day 39, feel better since adding hCG back, should have done the high dose hCG in the beginning, but libido is still there, I can still get rock hard, and I’m starting to get more oil production on my forehead/face, had been bone dry when I was on serms only. No more weird fogginess I felt on the 2nd week of serm only. Kinda pissed at my poor planning, ran out of hCG on Wednesday, doing eod shots I should be doing them tonight but I placed an order for more yesterday, so I’m hoping I’m lucky and get it tomorrow or Monday. Still have a bunch of serms tho. Only thing is when I get sore from a workout I get sore, like I’d been skipping back and I did lat pull downs, which I hold and flex/squeeze my back muscles, next day I was sore af.
Also had an ultrasound of my balls, nothing unusual but I guess there was a calcification which is benign abs of no significance I guess. The left ball increased by nearly ~5ml and the right by nearly ~3, so I guess the increase wasn’t in my imagination lol. I guess that gives some hope to those that had atrophy..
Also had an ultrasound of my balls, nothing unusual but I guess there was a calcification which is benign abs of no significance I guess. The left ball increased by nearly ~5ml and the right by nearly ~3, so I guess the increase wasn’t in my imagination lol. I guess that gives some hope to those that had atrophy..
The Terminator
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Oh yeah forgot to mention I got an app with the men’s health speciality within my clinic, made sure I got a dr and not a PA or nurse practitioner. They specialize in endocrinology, men’s reproductive and hormone health etc etc, basically any male specific health issue. My dr put in the referral for to have my jizz checked as well, prob gonna have to come clean that I terminated trt, more honest the better the help will be. Apps not for another almost 2 months, which would be almost 90 days post trt, which would be the minimum amount of time to for spermatogenesis, should I have lost it to begin with. Tho my testicular gainz since my last ultrasound have me hopeful.
AIRBORNE DADDY
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Sounds good man....so does a technician putting jelly on deez nuts.
The Terminator
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lol yea my balls were covered in ky jelly, not gonna lie it kinda felt good, if I was a teenager I might of got a boner
The Terminator
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Day 45.5, I ran out of hCG last Wednesday and didn’t get my replacement till yesterday, so I used about 1000iu eod for a week and then nothing for a week. I’m wondering whether the hCG was still working for the week I didn’t have it or if the one week I used it was enough to get my balls to respond to serms cause in that one week I was doing clomid/tamoxifen 50/20 and I didn’t even notice much change, still had great libido and boners the entire week so idk. Now that I resumed hCG I’m gonna get blood tests in a couple weeks to check how I respond to hCG.
The Terminator
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Day 56.5, still on the hCG, feel super horny on it but I also think I might have given myself prosatitis from all the edging I do cause I pee a lot, and my semen pressure although much better than it was 58 days ago is still kinda weak. Anyway I’m planning on checking T and prob E levels here shortly, hoping the numbers reflect how I feel, which is pretty great.
Little weaker in the gym but properly rested and not fasted I’m not much weaker than before, but I’ve been cutting my adderall out so I got pretty winded on the stairs lol. One thing I’ve noticed as well is that I have less hate and jealousy, not that I really ever had a great deal of jealousy issues, I felt it occasionally but never interfered with anything, but yea a lot less hate anger etc.
Anyway I got my fingers crossed that I’ve responded well to hCG and that the tests will reflect that, I mean constantly being horny doesn’t necessarily mean high T levels, whatever will get the tests soon.
Little weaker in the gym but properly rested and not fasted I’m not much weaker than before, but I’ve been cutting my adderall out so I got pretty winded on the stairs lol. One thing I’ve noticed as well is that I have less hate and jealousy, not that I really ever had a great deal of jealousy issues, I felt it occasionally but never interfered with anything, but yea a lot less hate anger etc.
Anyway I got my fingers crossed that I’ve responded well to hCG and that the tests will reflect that, I mean constantly being horny doesn’t necessarily mean high T levels, whatever will get the tests soon.
The Terminator
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Day 60, I ordered blood work, was torn on which test but I went with the female hormone panel from PrivateMDLabs, even tho it’s not the sensitive E test, it has TT, standard elcia E, LH/FSH, CBC and CMP. Could of got a sensitive E test from ulta labs but it woulda been the same price and only sensitive E, TT and FSH. Anyway I’m waiting till Monday since it says to stop biotin for 72 hours before testing, otherwise I’d get it tomorrow morning. Monday would like 80 hours of no biotin.
Anyway I got my fingers crossed it’ll be decent, I’m hoping to have a minimum of 400 TT, I’m horny all the time and get hard boners, oily forehead, balls that increased in size by 40-50% and ~25% etc. If the results are not good there’s still hope, I’ve read studies where severely suppressed guys didn’t respond to a 1000-2500iu 2-3x/week, but finally responded to 5000iu 2-3x/week. Hoping that I’m good at my current dose, cross your fingers and/or pray for me, especially you @T-Bagger
Anyway I got my fingers crossed it’ll be decent, I’m hoping to have a minimum of 400 TT, I’m horny all the time and get hard boners, oily forehead, balls that increased in size by 40-50% and ~25% etc. If the results are not good there’s still hope, I’ve read studies where severely suppressed guys didn’t respond to a 1000-2500iu 2-3x/week, but finally responded to 5000iu 2-3x/week. Hoping that I’m good at my current dose, cross your fingers and/or pray for me, especially you @T-Bagger
The Terminator
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Day 66, finally got some testing done yesterday to check to see what my response to hCG has been, did it at 4ish but figured since I’m on hCG morning draws aren’t as important. Looks like my balls are capable of making T as I came back at 694 TT, hematocrit went from high 40s, 48% last time to low 40s at 43% and hemoglobin dropped 1-2 points, guess that’s why I can’t to quite as much cardio as before. Anyway here’s the results if anyone is interested..
Oh I forgot that i did an extra 1/2 shot the night before, so 500iu, that might have moved the number up higher idk
Oh I forgot that i did an extra 1/2 shot the night before, so 500iu, that might have moved the number up higher idk
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Tizzousa
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It’s seems you have been experimenting to see what works best. What would you say you have found so far as best protocol for you after 66 days?
The Terminator
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I guess you can say that, I tried going on serms without the high dose hCG but my levels dropped to 175, tbh I think if I would of given it some more time the serms would of raised my TT, but I think the way I’m doing it now is better, my balls are bigger as the ultrasound showed and TT shows that they are capable of making T. Now I can taper off the hCG and go on serms, but starting at 50/20 cause 100/40 was a bit uncomfortable. Now to see if I got normal sperm. Only thing I’m disappointed is although my loads are better than on trt they’re still not like they were before but I’m horny all the time so that’s a plus
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