just want to put this out there. I still can't seem to start a new thread. I have been through all the features on the site and can't find the new thread option. I have been bulking for about three months now pretty hard. I don't want to add a lot more fat on top of current bf. If I still go for best lean bulk, with minimum surplus calories, what product is best for maximizing muscle gains while minimizing fat gains? I know oft3, clen, GH, and GW516. Based on your experiences, which would best modify my metabolism to allow me to reach this goal? Or if you know another thread, please point.
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Unfortunately my living arranagements now don't permit a very clean diet. My macros are on point but not always clean. Because of higher percentage of simpler carbs I want to calibrate my metabolism to use almost all carbs for muscle as well as prevent most fat storage. I know T3 raises your metabolic rate and utilization of fats, protein, and carbs. GH hinders fat storage and encourages lipolysis by releasing free fatty acids from fat stores. I just don't have first hand experiences.
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Multiple steroids and slightly above, or even at maintenance with a little toggling of calories. Not as effective at building as an all out bulk, but it is going to come down to diet, those drugs won't just do what you want. But steroids can favor muscle to a degree, but if you have much of a surplus for building, some will get to fat stores.
If you don't want to gain much more fat than you have, you should be cutting, and get to a really low bf that gives you room to build muscle without getting fatter than you want by the time you are done.
If you don't want to gain much more fat than you have, you should be cutting, and get to a really low bf that gives you room to build muscle without getting fatter than you want by the time you are done.
If your macros are on point then the "cleanliness" of them doesn't matter.
So you would say that as long as my carbs fall around the 40% mark or so and are evenly timed throughout the day then it doesn't matter if they are simple or complex? Of course high insulin levels plays a role. Insulin is non-specific in terms of being a storage hormone...carbs may go to muscle or fat. What is your take?
The timing of your carbs will affect your performance not your body composition. Find whatever timing allows you the best performance and stick to that.
The percentage carbs doesn't matter on it's own. It's how many calories you need and how many you're taking in. If you eat less carbs you'll probably eat more fats and vice versa.
Insulin's role is highly overrated. Don't worry about insulin unless you're taking it exogenously
Hey Doc. I see you point about insulin and calorie totals. But I still tend to think if you drank soda all day as your carb source you would get much fatter. Constantly high insulin levels. Metformin might help with that issue. Ruckin, best deal on GH I have seen is $200 for 100iu. Is that average price? Pharmacom for example.
If you're in a calorie deficit please explain how drinking soda as your carb source would make you fat?
I don't understand. You saying you don't have a refrigerator and microwave? 80% of your progress will be in the kitchen.
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Fat gain is a result of the surplus / size of the surplus, not individual foods regardless of where they are in the GI. Insulin will still stay within normal physiological range regardless of what you eat or where it is on the GI.
These effects people attribute to insulin only exist when insulin levels are supraphysiological, and no high GI food will cause insulin to exceed normal physiological range.
The glycemic index is a worthless tool for anyone but diabetics or those taking exogenous insulin.
I think you are not including rates of secretion in your thoughts here. The faster glucose hits your blood the more insulin is needed to maintain normal range blood glucose. This is the underlying cause of adult onset diabetes. If the need for burning that glucose in lower than that fluxing though the system it will store as glycogen and fat that ladder after conversion to triglycerides.
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I believe that at the end of the day it doesn't make a difference, insulin in normal people goes up as a result of eating food. In between meals and during sleep insulin levels are reduced. This would only be a concern if such a diet would lead to excessively high insulin levels 24/7, but this is not the case because insulin levels will lower in between meals or during sleep.
Everything ends up being balanced out at the end of the day, especially because insulin levels will stay within normal physiological ranges.
It really isn't worth worrying about GI and insulin levels in non-diabetics or those not using insulin. It becomes especially pointless when you consider things like - adding protein alongside a high GI carb meal can drastically change the GI of a meal, protein itself can cause a strong blood sugar response, certain foods have a low GI due to causing a high insulin spike in the first place, etc....
Do you eat a meal composed of solely carbohydrates? If not then why are you worried about how fast blood glucose will spike? You do realize that when you eat dietary fats, protein, or fiber among with whatever carbs you're eating it will slow the digestion of those carbs and thus slow the rise in blood glucose levels.
I strongly disagree but you have to do what works best for you. It makes a big difference for me and dose for most as we age. Your last point has some value and I think can be used as a tool to help balance nutrient import rates. In any event keep an open mind and especially as you age. Things change and need adjustment. If you have no issues with consumption of fast carbs right now consider yourself blessed. It might not stay that way.
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