just want to put this out there. I still can't seem to start a new thread. I have been through all the features on the site and can't find the new thread option. I have been bulking for about three months now pretty hard. I don't want to add a lot more fat on top of current bf. If I still go for best lean bulk, with minimum surplus calories, what product is best for maximizing muscle gains while minimizing fat gains? I know oft3, clen, GH, and GW516. Based on your experiences, which would best modify my metabolism to allow me to reach this goal? Or if you know another thread, please point.
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I mostly agree with you and the point you are trying to make up until the eat at a lower surplus, the stuff after that isn't generally required to reach his goals. But like you said Clen and t3 are essentially useless in this case.
Sure eventually it does but I wasn't addressing that in my previous convo with Sworder. My point was the primary fate of dietary fat is storage. After that it can be used in different ways.
I think he is funny as hell. In fact this whole thread is funny as hell. 1/3 of the guys in the thread couldn't explain how bomb calorimetry work but can lecture endlessly on IIFYM. Then there are another third that know their shit and find it difficult to translate pelican into English like me. Then the other third are trying to decide whether to eat a poptart or a chicken breast because both have 200 cals.
Wow.. just wow. You really are clueless.
The only thing funnier than using a Valentino video to prove a nutrition principle is using a bodybuilding.com article for the same purpose. Two peas in a pod...
Wait, this is coming from the guy who posted a Greg Valentino video? Excuse me for spitting my water in your face from my fit of laughter.
So congratulations on once again being Meso's most confused poster and the poster child for keeping kids in school
Not just confused poster, he's the village idiot.
https://thinksteroids.com/community...ready-for-cycle.134367966/page-2#post-1382106
Glycoman, do you have evidence to support your view here? I'd ask Sworder but first he'd have to swing into action and feverishly search Google for a discussion thread where somebody else was discussing this very topic in the hope that they might have posted a study.
I needed a good laugh.
Edit* let's not forget the flagrant lying and deceit about his poor mom
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Glyco, CBS is another guy that is clueless. Don't mind him
Poor Sworder. He tries so hard but always fails. LMFAO
http://forums.steroid.com/hormone-replacement-therapy-low-testosterone-treatment-anti-aging/519006-trenbolone-hrt-better-than-testosterone.html (http://forums.steroid.com/hormone-r...-trenbolone-hrt-better-than-testosterone.html)
Examples of Sworder's extensive knowledge of AAS:
Why can AAS cause your penis to stop working like it should? Hard-ons aren't as hard as they used to be. No more pointing to the sky and sometimes it goes limp during intercourse. viagra and cialis increase the bloodflow to the penis but this is not repairing what caused the ED in the first place. It is simply bypassing the problem. I am not talking about possible low testosterone (hormonal imbalance) being the problem, it is occurring through a different pathway.
Any ideas are welcome!
This was one of his posts on 06-18-2012, 08:02 PM
Ok, first off sorry to soil your mind with the imagery I am projecting.
So, past 3 days after I have been taking a shit I have noticed some what I thought looked like mucus in the toilet. Didn't think about it that much, just thought I had spit in the toilet or something earlier. Found it again 2 days ago, didn't really pay attention. Then yesterday as I am taking a shit, I notice ejaculatory fluids coming out thick as I am squeezing out the turds.
Is this because my prostate is enlarged right now or what is my excrement pushing against to make the fluid discharge(about 5ml, thick yellowish cloudy) out of my phallus ?
p.s I am on a lot of gear right now..
Do obese men require a higher TRT dose to be effective?
Why?
10/7/12
But you're more than welcome to hop off!
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But you need to understand, the IIFYM crowd doesn't say a poptart is hte same as chicken breast, they would match the protein carb and fat intake of a cleaner diet. It isn't if it fits your calories.....
Valentino is a complete and utter moron. I was thinking about it yesterday and I remember in a video he said not to do glut injections because you don't want your ass to get bigger. He may be funny at times, but you will end up dumber from listening to him. I hear so many ignorant things from supposed big shot body builders on the web.
So you are a judoka? You use seoinage? I was a seoinage player when I was younger. Now more tio touche and uchi mata.
LOL yeah I get the IIFYM bit. I think it's horse pucky though.. and Gregg V is a nut but he is funny as hell. I thought it would be funny to post his rant. It was an attempt at humor to break the tension. i think IIFYM is fatally flawed. Calories of food are based on bomb calorimetry and have nothing to do with human metabolism. So calories are a rough guide at best. to base a peudo religion like IIFYM on this cross food stuffs flawed set of numbers has little value. We could expand the discussion to food additives as well, many of which could be considered metabolic poisons.IIFYMs tend toward junk so are prone to ingest stuff not so close to the earth. I'll stick with veggies out of my garden, fresh herbs and meats from the Dutch market. If IIFYM works for some guys more power to them. Not for me with my body type and age.
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I've never been a fan of counting calories. But in certain instances I will do so, long enough to know roughly what I am consuming and a few other specific cases. I've had good results advising people on food quality alone, but sometimes it gets to a point that it isn't sufficient, or they need a dose of reality. I've also gotten fat on good calories. But it really is beyond the point. You can have success without requiring all carbs come from low gi sources etc. Personally I have an autoimmune disease, so things like sugar and certain foods that are borderline dirty give me complications and sometimes slow progress. I wonder if that is sometimes the case for others. I've had to cut out "clean" foods in regards to this as well though.
@Docd187123 your views on nutrition in relation to body composition are perfectly aligned with mine. So refreshing to see, lol.
I don't have any autoimmune diseases or anything but certain foods still impact progress for me. Of they cause too much bloating right before lifting or don't supply me with the energy I need to lift with then I avoid them. It's a very short list for me though of foods I avoid purposely.
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