Best lean bulk drugs-ephedrine,clen,GH,T3,or GW516?

[RaveHead]

just want to put this out there. I still can't seem to start a new thread. I have been through all the features on the site and can't find the new thread option. I have been bulking for about three months now pretty hard. I don't want to add a lot more fat on top of current bf. If I still go for best lean bulk, with minimum surplus calories, what product is best for maximizing muscle gains while minimizing fat gains? I know oft3, clen, GH, and GW516. Based on your experiences, which would best modify my metabolism to allow me to reach this goal? Or if you know another thread, please point.

 

[Docd187123]

@Docd187123 your views on nutrition in relation to body composition are perfectly aligned with mine. So refreshing to see, lol.

Definitely. I'm having much more fun eating foods is really enjoy than I did when I forced foods down. My progress has never been better. And it's not like I go around eating poptarts all day, that's just intraworkout nutrition lol, I do eat foods most would consider clean also n

 

[Sworder]

So you are a judoka? You use seoinage? I was a seoinage player when I was younger. Now more tio touche and uchi mata.

LOL yeah I get the IIFYM bit. I think it's horse pucky though.. and Gregg V is a nut but he is funny as hell. I thought it would be funny to post his rant. It was an attempt at humor to break the tension. i think IIFYM is fatally flawed. Calories of food are based on bomb calorimetry and have nothing to do with human metabolism. So calories are a rough guide at best. to base a peudo religion like IIFYM on this cross food stuffs flawed set of numbers has little value. We could expand the discussion to food additives as well, many of which could be considered metabolic poisons.IIFYMs tend toward junk so are prone to ingest stuff not so close to the earth. I'll stick with veggies out of my garden, fresh herbs and meats from the Dutch market. If IIFYM works for some guys more power to them. Not for me with my body type and age.

Calories of food have nothing to do with human metabolism? That's just a stupid statement. So if a meal has 5000 calories that has nothing to do with my metabolism? C'mon, I understand your point but don't make it to the point where it is plain retarded.

The food you have in your Dutch market or in your Dutch stores is actually considered food, here in America the "food" is crammed full of shit no matter where you go. You know how you squeeze bread to feel if it is fresh? Here in America the bread is always soft lmao, and it's not because it is fresh

 

[SEOINAGE]

So you are a judoka? You use seoinage? I was a seoinage player when I was younger. Now more tio touche and uchi mata.

I picked out the name when I was in a judo club in college, haven't studied martial arts since then, but it was a lot of fun. I would like to do something maybe once a week, but would be an hour there and back.

 

[glycomann]

I've never been a fan of counting calories. But in certain instances I will do so, long enough to know roughly what I am consuming and a few other specific cases. I've had good results advising people on food quality alone, but sometimes it gets to a point that it isn't sufficient, or they need a dose of reality. I've also gotten fat on good calories. But it really is beyond the point. You can have success without requiring all carbs come from low gi sources etc. Personally I have an autoimmune disease, so things like sugar and certain foods that are borderline dirty give me complications and sometimes slow progress. I wonder if that is sometimes the case for others. I've had to cut out "clean" foods in regards to this as well though.

I'm in a similar boat. Autoimmune diseases are in my family.

 

[glycomann]

I picked out the name when I was in a judo club in college, haven't studied martial arts since then, but it was a lot of fun. I would like to do something maybe once a week, but would be an hour there and back.

I've played since I was a kid. I'm 54. I still play once or twice a week. It's an hour from my house but 1/2 between work and home. it's a great sport. It can be rough on the joints but it will make you more fit than most sports especially if you do a lot of ground work and stand-up randuri.

 

[SEOINAGE]

I need to get started, options are just limited here. I broke my hand in February then the urge to do things I couldn't do popped up. I do hill sprints, gpp and hiit, some racquetball on a somewhat regular basis, but if I get into something where you regular do practice matches, that is hard to beat.
Edit: mostly want to do it for fun.