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Thats what I figured. I remember when stretch addressed the forum.
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Thats what I figured. I remember when stretch addressed the forum.
I agree with this 100%. Look on the boards that have *very* experienced GH users. The overwhelming consensus is Chinese GH is garbage. If you're lucky enough to actually get any active product in your rips, hyges, hugs, or whatever, you're getting a GH-like product with who knows what in it. The bloat reported from rips is not normal.
People that believe you can get legit GH from China at 1/5th the cost either don't understand how difficult it is to make OR they have an agenda like Stretch. If you want to run GH, you have to pay the piper. Period. Pharm grade is the only way to go, IMO.
Pericles
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Thank you very much! I have been drooling over them, and the price is good.
My main man told me last night he can get pharm HGH for $4-500. You all probably know this, but AIDS patients (who are also drug addicts) sell them and spend the money on drugs. However the Naps are less than half that price.
To Kamala and Candy, you guys have more to like about each other than dislike. Ironically, Mike and I got off on the wrong foot but now we are friends (no homo).
I agree with the majority of vets on this board that whatever your getting from China is not GH. I used IPs product off and on for years and a female friend of mine started using it in her fifties. She lost weight, felt better, slept better, everything. I've already mentioned that my doctor thought I was already using GH after I had blood work done and went to him to try HRT. I would think that after all these years somebody would have let the cat out of the bag and we would know, or at least have a pretty good idea, of just what in the hell we are injecting. I guess like Dr. Jim said, a combination of peptides? but what peptides, and what's it doing to you?
Pericles
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Hey PC I have an honest question after reading your posts here. May I ask why you are not interested in the products from PEP or any other "legit" source on the forums at the moment? I understand you need to have legit products for your clients but from what I have seen and along with the labmax tests all the products have passed. I'm just curious about what you think of these labs or what your thought process is
Good question. The short answer is I have not had the time to go through every thing. Those threads are on my to do list.
Not to be too personal here, but I recently lost my store. By training, I am a Political Scientist. I gave up a secure teaching job because I had the boss from hell. She was scheduling me to teach in one place at 8 am, then @ another of our campuses 70 miles away. She would send me to an academic conference, and not pay me for it (long story). The academic job market has been devastated over the last 10 years. I was making $60 K teaching @ a 2 year college w/ a PhD from a tier 1 University. I had a 4.82 average in teaching evals. Unfortunately, administrators run colleges, not teachers.
I had the opportunity to purchase a business that sells Smoothies and supplements. I was great at supplements, but was not good at smoothies.
Smoothies are high margins. supplements are low. I lost more tha $100k Fortunately, I had people on training and diet programs that were getting excellent results. I was working out at a gym in an area where people are very wealthy. I met them all from my store.
In regards to gear, I never push it. In fact, 9 out of 10 times I talk people out of it. Having said that, I also was getting a lot of higher level competitive bbers' coming to me. Remember, everyone, that if you do not train and eat correctly, gear does not matter. Proper training is really my area of expertise. I also am very good w/ diuretics.
Word of mouth spread, people transformed their bodies. Frank has put on 23 lbs of muscle w/ bf that went from 11 to 9%
When my store closed, I started going to my old gym. I changed my body so much (fat 230...like 23% bf level fat, to 244 @14% fat) that people did not even recognize me. I am prepping one guy for competition from my new gym. He is hell bent on running gear, but I explained that at 22 I will not get him anything. We are going to do a drug tested show. He also does not train or eat properly (thinks he can grow on 120 grams of protein a day). I train his gf, who is going to compete in Bikini, along w/ 4 other people (2 natural).
I am also working w/ people from this board. 1 is prepping for a BB comp.
When we started, he sent picks and my first thought was "no way is he or will he be ready by summer." He his also older so we need to be more careful w/ his gear.
Well, he has massively improved himself. At some point, he will post up some picks. I am very proud of him. I told him what needed to be done, and he did it. I still think he may be a bit over his head in the open, but I am positive he will make night show in the open, and he is going to smoke everyone in the masters division.
People may say "it is just the gear that has changed him." They are wrong yes, he is running a lot, but it takes more than just gear.
So, after this long rant, I agree yes, I am going to go look at those threads, and thank you for the heads up. Any advice from those that I can trust is appreciated.
Ironically, anyone remember the "God" thread? Stretch was defending his belief. Does not the "Though shall not steal commandment cover scamming[
)]I believe in god (makes scientific sense). In this case, I lost my store, but now a new door has opened.
Back to gear, I have a question: Should I get the NAPS growth, or the HK (assuming I am in the right zip code)? Also, of the new ugls, what are you opinions?
I have to go to the gym now, but tonight I will definately get on nthose threads. Gotta admit, MESO is a Damn good place.
Thank you, everyone
Pericles
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Yes, manufacturing growth takes way more thanngear...but the Rips sure have helped me.
Having said that, I recently found out the pharm growth goes for $400 around here.
fit2beking
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If that is the case Perc I would definitely go with the pharm grade over generic.
Spyder
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I just can't see it being peps - I have used them for quite sometime and I don't think it is comparable.
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I take credit for that transformation. When I called you a lardass, it motivated you to lose the blubber.
You're welcome.
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I really hate to keep beating a dead horse, but if the gh your getting from China is not peptides, which I've been told that it probably was, then could it be pharm grade HGH that has been cut with peptides? sort of underdosed, as you say. Someone said that you shouldn't have any water retention (swelling) (edema) with pharm grade HGH, but that is listed as a potential side effect in the pharm. companies webs. PC said that the RIP was helping him. What do you mean by that PC? How much are you taking each day? and how is it helping you? and what would be different in the effects if you were taking pharm grade?. If it is just underdosed then you would have to take, say, twice as much as the real thing to get the same effects, just like an underdosed test or EQ., you may be taking 500mg a week of your UGL product, but really, how much of it is Test or EQ? This is all new to me, so please bear with me on my questions.
ironwill1951
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i have used gh for many years i started out with pharm then switched to generic ive tried them all ,
now i switched back to pharm , all i can say is that i wasted alot of time and alot of money on generic. and i have never seen any other gh make you retain water like rips thats not normal even for generic.
the chinese are masters at counterfiting everyhing from rolex watches.gucci handbages, designer clothes, and last but not least HGH
now i switched back to pharm , all i can say is that i wasted alot of time and alot of money on generic. and i have never seen any other gh make you retain water like rips thats not normal even for generic.
the chinese are masters at counterfiting everyhing from rolex watches.gucci handbages, designer clothes, and last but not least HGH
Spyder
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So true a while back I bought this
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Candyskull
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According to a friend that works there, even the prostitutes are counterfeit occasionally. They look like real women, but they have all the wrong parts included.
Pericles
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Now that we are BFF's would love to give you credit, but it was financial and personal.
No one is going to hire a fat trainer/fitness consultant. [
)]Also, I hoped that if I leaned out, it would motivate my wife to get back in shape. My wife is beautiful, 15 years younger, sweet (I call her the anti-bitch) half Asian half Spanish (I have a thing about Asian and Latina women) but has gained more than 25 lbs since since she started paying the bills. I paid most of the bills for 7 years, her car note, bought her a Porsche Cayenne and a Merc E350, but she has been paying most bills (I still pay the mortgage) during the last 1.5 years. She has even taken my garage parking space
[)] Don't try this at home, guys. A lot of women will leave you if you go from 6 figures (I made a lot of money in the real estate run up/melt down, almost 7 figures) but burned through a lot of that due to my car racing addiction (I did have a hell of a time). There is quite a bit of footage of me in my 800 rwhp GT2. I can PM a link, and yes, I was a fat fuck back then. Don't be impressed guys...money does not make you a better person...in my case it just fueled my arrogance.
Damn, why I have I become so touch feely talk about my personal shit today? Clearly, Estrogen has run amuck, I need to up the AIs'
Back to what is important: I got phenomenal results from 2 kits of Rips. Every bit as good as the first time I ran gear. I eat 10 times a day now but keep losing fat? Are you suggesting that I got all that from peptides? My IGF-1 levels were lower that whale poop, but still from what I understand he results from peptides alone cannot manage that.
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C said that the RIP was helping him. What do you mean by that PC? How much are you taking each day? and how is it helping you? and what would be different in the effects if you were taking pharm grade?Whatever I am using, it has done A LOT! I use 2 ius' a day, and am reducing that to 1.2. My body is recompositioning dramatically. I ran some goodies out to Frank lat night. He stepped back, tilted his head sideways and just looked at me like "what the fuck." Ironically, he is the one who gets pharm grade kits for 400 and the single nords, but he claims that gear does more than GH for him. However, he has not run GH in a while. When he was younger he ran the pharm grades. We were supposed look at his labs specifically his IGF-1 levels last night, but he couldn't find them.
There are test results for Rips over at NAPs. They look robust, and it would not make sense for NAPs to post fraudulent data.
Last, I get a lot of hand numbness from 2 IUs' of the Rips. It is my understanding that the Chinese products, assuming they are legit, have more sides.
You're spot on. Look at it like this: if you went on Ebay and bought a $100 I-phone from China, would you expect it to be a real I-phone? Would you expect it to work as well as a real I-phone? After all, it looks like real - same design, packaging, markings, color, etc, and it might even work (for a while) but it's only 1/5th the price of a genuine I-phone.
I think the vast majority people will elect to pay full price and KNOW what they're getting rather than risk buying a cheap Chinese knockoff. Why don't people feel the same about GH?
Spyder
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Now that we are BFF's would love to give you credit, but it was financial and personal.
No one is going to hire a fat trainer/fitness consultant. [
Also, I hoped that if I leaned out, it would motivate my wife to get back in shape. My wife is beautiful, 15 years younger, sweet (I call her the anti-bitch) half Asian half Spanish (I have a thing about Asian and Latina women) but has gained more than 25 lbs since since she started paying the bills. I paid most of the bills for 7 years, her car note, bought her a Porsche Cayenne and a Merc E350, but she has been paying most bills (I still pay the mortgage) during the last 1.5 years. She has even taken my garage parking space
Don't try this at home, guys. A lot of women will leave you if you go from 6 figures (I made a lot of money in the real estate run up/melt down, almost 7 figures) but burned through a lot of that due to my car racing addiction (I did have a hell of a time). There is quite a bit of footage of me in my 800 rwhp GT2. I can PM a link, and yes, I was a fat fuck back then. Don't be impressed guys...money does not make you a better person...in my case it just fueled my arrogance.
Damn, why I have I become so touch feely talk about my personal shit today? Clearly, Estrogen has run amuck, I need to up the AIs'
Back to what is important: I got phenomenal results from 2 kits of Rips. Every bit as good as the first time I ran gear. I eat 10 times a day now but keep losing fat? Are you suggesting that I got all that from peptides? My IGF-1 levels were lower that whale poop, but still from what I understand he results from peptides alone cannot manage that.
Kawalt (quote)
Whatever I am using, it has done A LOT! I use 2 ius' a day, and am reducing that to 1.2. My body is recompositioning dramatically. I ran some goodies out to Frank lat night. He stepped back, tilted his head sideways and just looked at me like "what the fuck." Ironically, he is the one who gets pharm grade kits for 400 and the single nords, but he claims that gear does more than GH for him. However, he has not run GH in a while. When he was younger he ran the pharm grades. We were supposed look at his labs specifically his IGF-1 levels last night, but he couldn't find them.
There are test results for Rips over at NAPs. They look robust, and it would not make sense for NAPs to post fraudulent data.
Last, I get a lot of hand numbness from 2 IUs' of the Rips. It is my understanding that the Chinese products, assuming they are legit, have more sides.
The way you started out your post you remind me of Russell Crowe.
ChrisWarrenH
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Because pharm grade gh is not as readily available as "actual brand" iphones. lol
ChrisWarrenH
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PC I tried what you suggested today for chest day. I literally used 50lb dumbbells to just get the feel. I almost didn't even feel my arms work until the last half of the motion. I felt full activation in my chest after 5-6 warmup sets, then just continues my incline and decline with light weight to get the feel... Great chest day today. I had tons of blood in my chest, and will just up my weight slowly and keep focusing on the form and feel.
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