Black Americans, the GI bill, inequality/poverty and crime.

I will preface with MY own conclusions before citing history. Although I am a conservative in many regards, I find the denial of historically recent racism to be delusional on the part of "the right". Although the democrats have traditionally in recent history done more to keep the black community in poverty. The correlation of income inequality and crime has been well studied and documented and a quick Google search for more articles can back these assertions.

This is but one example.

The Jim Crow laws that were in effect at the end of World war II directly deprived black veterans and the black community of 1 BILLION dollars of GDP at THAT time (1966 for argument sakes). The implications of that STILL have a major impact on today! That is adjusted for inflation
$7,913,395,061.73

Although non of us today have anything to do with it and should not feel guilt whatsoever! This doesn't change the long term repercussion felt here and now.

While the white veterans prospered (rightly so) the same black veterans who went through the same hell were hung out to dry when they returned. The income gap created by this will be felt for years to come with no solution on the table.

Maybe that's why the flag and thes concepts of freedom we have, mean another thing to the black community.

As opposed to touting narratives and following party lines, maybe we should all shut the fuck up, listen and find solutions!



African American veterans benefited less than others from the G.I. Bill.

The G.I. Bill aimed to help American World War II veterans adjust to civilian life by providing them with benefits including low-cost mortgages, low-interest loans and financial support. African Americans did not benefit nearly as much as White Americans. Historian Ira Katznelson argues that "the law was deliberately designed to accommodate Jim Crow".[1] In the New York and northern New Jersey suburbs 67,000 mortgages were insured by the G.I. Bill, but fewer than 100 were taken out by non-whites.[2][3]

Additionally, banks and mortgage agencies refused loans to blacks, making the G.I. Bill even less effective for blacks.[4] Once they returned from the war, blacks faced discrimination and poverty, which represented a barrier to harnessing the benefits of the G.I. Bill, because labor and income were immediately needed at home.

Most southern university principals refused to admit blacks until the Civil Rights revolution. Segregation was legally mandated in that region. Colleges accepting blacks in the South initially numbered 100. Those institutions were of lower quality, with 28 of them classified as sub-baccalaureate. Only seven states offered postbaccalaureate training, while no accredited engineering or doctoral programs were available for blacks. These institutions were all smaller than white or nonsegregated universities, often facing a lack of resources.[5]

By 1946, only one fifth of the 100,000 blacks who had applied for educational benefits had been registered in college.[6] Furthermore, historically black colleges and universities (HBCUs) came under increased pressure as rising enrollments and strained resources forced them to turn away an estimated 20,000 veterans. HBCUs were already the poorest colleges. HBCU resources were stretched even thinner when veterans’ demands necessitated an expansion in the curriculum beyond the traditional "preach and teach" course of study.[4]

Though blacks encountered many obstacles in their pursuit of G.I. benefits, the bill greatly expanded the population of African Americans attending college and graduate school. In 1940, enrollment at Black colleges was 1.08% of total U.S. college enrollment. By 1950 it had increased to 3.6%. However, these gains were limited almost exclusively to Northern states, and the educational and economic gap between white and black nationally, widened under the effects of the G.I. Bill.[7] With 79 percent of the black population living in southern states, educational gains were limited to a small part of black America.[4]

Wikipedia


The link between poverty and crime is a subject that has been examined by sociologists, governments and organizations such as the World Bank and United Nations for decades now. Robbing, for example, is most commonly reported to take place in areas of extreme poverty in the Americas (Latin America and the Caribbean) at a rate of 21 percent, and robbery and assault are among the most commonly reported crimes in communities that are predominantly poor. Places with high income inequality in particular have higher incidences of crime – overwhelmingly so, in fact. A 2002 study by The World Bank found that crime rates and inequality are positively correlated, and an increase in income inequality has the effect of intensely increasing crime rates. That same study also found that increases in a country’s GDP has the ability to lessen the incidence of crimes in that country, showing that poverty alleviation has a crime-reducing effect.

That being said, other studies have revealed that the upper class commits far more crime than the lower class, which contradicts the assumption that crime is more predominant among the poor. In 1993, blue-collar criminals stole $15.3 billion but in that same year white-collar criminals stole $200 billion through embezzlement and fraud. In terms of violent crime, 23,271 people were murdered that year by street criminals, but the decisions made by high-value corporations led to the deaths of at least 318,368 people through worker safety violations, pollution, etc. Why are we conditioned to believe crime is limited to the lower and middle classes? Why is that when a white-collar worker is taken to court they gets far less media coverage than that of their blue-collared counterpart? The way the general public perceives crime is classist to say the very least.

Take the following statistic as an example. South Africa holds a reputation for having the highest rape incidence in the world, at 500,000 annually. One associates the country’s high crime rates with the disproportionate levels of inequality that have ravaged the country since the apartheid era. In 2011, it was found that the average annual income of white households was at least six times higher than that of black households. Is this what led to the murder rate in 2013 of 33 per 100,000 people being more than five times higher than the global average of 6.2 per 100,000? It is perceived to be so. For years now worsening poverty, unemployment and inequality have seen crime rates grow, with violent crime especially on the rise, seeing 49 people murdered every day in South Africa.

But in Sweden, a country of perceived wealth, high GDP and income equality, also reported among those countries with the highest incidence of rape in the world, with 46 rape cases per 100,000 in 2009. How is this so, you ask, given the general patterns seen around the world that link high levels of poverty with crime? Turns out that https://econlife.com/2016/04/swedish-wealth-distribution/. For a small country, Sweden has a relatively high number of millionaires and ranks among the top 20 nations for ultra-high net worth individuals. The growth in inequality in Sweden since the 1980s has in fact been the largest among all OECD countries.

So, is it not so much the level of abject poverty but more the level of income inequality that lead to high crime rates in a country?

The reaction to the recent financial recession in the United States tells us that yes, this is indeed the case. According to official FBI statistics, crime rates actually dropped across the country in 2009, despite the fact they had been gradually increasing in the lead up to the financial meltdown. Murder, rape, assault, theft, robbery – you name it, the incidences of it fell across the board, destroying the idea that the root cause of crime lies in poverty and rather, affirming that it lies in widespread income equality. This too was seen during the recession of 1893, in 1907, the Great Depression of the 1930s. In all of these economic catastrophes, crime did not increase at all, showing that, as inequality between the rich and the poor shrunk, so too did the number of crimes committed.

So, what can we take from this? Is the answer to preventing crime such as robbery and break-ins improving public education, installing better security screens in our homes, or hiring security guards? Apparently not. It seems we need to focus more on lessening income inequality in countries around the world, targeting social justice and poverty in the fight against crime. In this way, we will perhaps be able to see a vast reduction in the instances of crime, both violent and non-violent, around the world – and especially in poorer countries.
 
In my personal opinion EVERYONE is completely shitting the bed here. Too busy assigning blame as opposed to listening and thinking and realizing that it's the politicians that created and perpetuate this garbage! They and the media should be strung up for treason! If blacks, whites, and every other damn race were united those cunts would be powerless ! Instead we are too bust fighting against our fellow man to grow the fuck up and FIX this! The problem is we are all on the defensive as everyone tries to lay blame!
 
I'm just waiting for the excuses to come in because Barak Obama was President....like that ended racism

I've been screwed over financially by partners, clients companies.

I am entitled to zero of it.

I'd be worth so many fucking millions today if it wasnt for all those times.

Instead, I pull my socks up and get back to work.
Past is the past.

Equality today
 
I've been screwed over financially by partners, clients companies.

I am entitled to zero of it.

I'd be worth so many fucking millions today if it wasnt for all those times.

Instead, I pull my socks up and get back to work.
Past is the past.

Equality today
now just imagine if that happened on a constant basis to your family for generations....no matter how hard you work..you are stuck in place by the color of your skin no other reason...and when the "shackles" are finally somewhat loosened, you are years behind the curve financially and are always playing catch up...not everyone thrives in that kind of enviornment
 
@Silentlemon1011 @Dresden

Still you are both trying to "prove " a point. It doesn't fucking work that way. Subjective reality and it's influence on though process is radically different for both of you. Without hearing and understanding the other "side" no conclusion to the problem can happen. Neither side can force a solution on the other. We have historically tried to do this over and over and it always ends in bloodshed!
 
now just imagine if that happened on a constant basis to your family for generations....no matter how hard you work..you are stuck in place by the color of your skin no other reason...and when the "shackles" are finally somewhat loosened, you are years behind the curve financially and are always playing catch up...not everyone thrives in that kind of enviornment

Definitely years behind the curve financially
The G.I thing isnt the only example, that's for sure.

All I'm saying is, NO ONE is going to help black people.
They just wont.

The thing that needs to be pushed is equality of education only.

Reparations wont ever happened (I don't believe it should yo be honest... that would just create another vacuum where other minorities and groups will have to foot the bill.)

Educational reforms and equalities of expenditure on a per DISTRICT basis.
Black neighborhoods get fuck all funding.

But I'm saying it needs to be a discussion about our impoverished, not our races.

That way, everyone can get what they need.

@Silentlemon1011 @Dresden

Still you are both trying to "prove " a point. It doesn't fucking work that way. Subjective reality and it's influence on though process is radically different for both of you. Without hearing and understanding the other "side" no conclusion to the problem can happen. Neither side can force a solution on the other. We have historically tried to do this over and over and it always ends in bloodshed!

No point

Dresdan and I just have good viewpoints and discussions
I believe we both want the same thing, but view the verbage and paths to get there differently
 
Actually you are "entitled " to it. Reality is you will never get it!

Lol
True
At some point, you just realize to not bother
Will cost you 100k to win 50k
Why bother?

I could say that about reparations as well.

Sure, would be nice if we could throw a few billion to prop up the black communities.

But the reality is, without education... it wont be of much use.

Kinda like the Chappelle show skit.
 
It is much better for these shit bag politicians if we are divided

Hence elimination of the racial debate.

Attack the SOURCE of the issue.
Black people are not as educated as whites/Asian etc.

They are also poor as a result of this.

Help the poor, while not dealing with Racial political and fuck stick politicians taking advantage of us and trying to put us at each others throats.

If black people are predominantly poor.
Then they will be helped the most
If whites become the poorest, they will be helped the most.

Stop buying into the Neo-Liberal Facist schemesand plots
 
@Silentlemon1011 @Dresden

Still you are both trying to "prove " a point. It doesn't fucking work that way. Subjective reality and it's influence on though process is radically different for both of you. Without hearing and understanding the other "side" no conclusion to the problem can happen. Neither side can force a solution on the other. We have historically tried to do this over and over and it always ends in bloodshed!
I hear you bro...but dialog like this, aas long as it's civil is important...i have nothing but respect for @Silentlemon1011
 
I think most blacks want real solutions and they want them now.

Erase arrest records of those with non-violent arrests and convictions.

Housing, education, healthcare, make this secure.

America is a rat race, securing essential resources can be a nightmare if you don't have them you can become a menace to society.

Secure these resources for all people and you won't have near as much problems, but America doesn't like that. They want people competing, at each others throats.

Dog eat dog mentality has created way too much suffering in this country, buying tons of shit, owning tons of shit doesn't lead to long term happiness. Gotta move past the shopping mentality the materialist trap. Giving blacks a pile of cash will quickly disappear and then what, you'll be right back where you started if you don't address the issues I brought up.
 
I think most blacks want real solutions and they want them now.

Erase arrest records of those with non-violent arrests and convictions.

Housing, education, healthcare, make this secure.

America is a rat race, securing essential resources can be a nightmare if you don't have them you can become a menace to society.

Secure these resources for all people and you won't have near as much problems, but America doesn't like that. They want people competing, at each others throats.

Dog eat dog mentality has created way too much suffering in this country, buying tons of shit, owning tons of shit doesn't lead to long term happiness. Gotta move past the shopping mentality the materialist trap. Giving blacks a pile of cash will quickly disappear and then what, you'll be right back where you started if you don't address the issues I brought up.
Low income housing has been around for ever.
Food stamps have been around for ever.
Free tuition to colleges has been around for ever.
Obamacare is here.

Yet the same folks have the same problems. :oops:

Eventually you have to go the extra mile for YOURSELF instead of waiting for someone to help you.

Put those hands to work instead of holding them out palm up.

In regards to criminal records. You want a clean record? Don’t break the fucking law!!!;)
 
now just imagine if that happened on a constant basis to your family for generations....no matter how hard you work..you are stuck in place by the color of your skin no other reason...and when the "shackles" are finally somewhat loosened, you are years behind the curve financially and are always playing catch up...not everyone thrives in that kind of enviornment

Do you therefore apply that same logic to the Lithuanian, Polish, Czech, Hungarian, Serbian, Albanian, etc who suffered the exact same thing and worse at the hands of the Bolsheviks?

Or what about the Irish who were enslaved? The Scottish who were raped by the English?

You're pretending like only one ethnic group has suffered at the hands of idealistic and power hungry elites.

You're part of the problem. You're playing victim, as if everyone born in the lower and working class hasn't suffered at some point.

As long as the elites have people like you, willing to blame thier neighbors for the problem, they'll continue to get away with stealing from us all.

As long as the democrat party can convince people like you and poor blacks in places like Detroit, Baltimore and Chicago that all their problems are because of poor white people living in trailer parks outside of town, in places like Nebraska and Idaho and not because of the people you've selected as your leaders then nothing will ever change.

As long as we let them exploit our differences, we'll never solve our common problems.

I get the black power bullshit, and I'm glad you're proud of yourself.

But wake the fuck up man. Stop hating your neighbor who's paler than you, and look at the situation for what it is. Because we're all in the same boat here.
 
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Low income housing has been around for ever.
Food stamps have been around for ever.
Free tuition to colleges has been around for ever.
Obamacare is here.

Yet the same folks have the same problems. :oops:

Eventually you have to go the extra mile for YOURSELF instead of waiting for someone to help you.

Put those hands to work instead of holding them out palm up.

In regards to criminal records. You want a clean record? Don’t break the fucking law!!!;)

This! People cannot accept personal responsibility nowadays and their failures and shortcomings are ALWAYS someone else’s fault. No one is holding down minorities anymore in this country, not in the slightest bit. People are holding themselves down though. Minorities from all over the world risk their life to come here because they know if they work hard, they can get ahead in this country. I’m tired of people playing the bullshit “systemic racism” card to try to justify why they aren’t further ahead in life. In regards to African Americans, there are countless black folks in this country that came from absolutely nothing and are now extremely successful. Why? Because they took personal responsibility and they put in the work to get to where they are today. White people do not just get handed shit, and there are millions of white people living in extreme poverty in the US. Not everything has to do with race, but race sure is a convenient cop out!

An example is that people think systemic racism exists in law enforcement when the data completely refutes that hair brained idea. Here’s a statistical brief from the DoJ on crime and race.


And an excerpt from it since people inevitably won’t read it: “Among the most serious incidents of violent crime (rape or sexual assault, robbery, and aggravated assault), there were no statistically signifcant diferences by race between ofenders identifed in the NCVS and persons arrested per the UCR (table 3). White and black people were arrested proportionate to their involvement in serious nonfatal violent crime overall and proportionate to their involvement in serious nonfatal violent crime reported to police.”
 
As long as blacks continue to invest in an identity of victimhood they will continue to suffer the consequences.

Today they are ruled over just as easy as they have been ruled over in the past. They have traded their agency for low income housing, food stamps, and a hundred other worthless distractions.

Blacks must become difficult to rule. I’m not talking about riots. I’m talking about the never ending grind of accepting responsibility for your place in this world and choosing to make the most out today in order to build a better tomorrow.

Prosperity from the ground up is built on restraint, and never ever accepting the status of a victim. Never trade your autonomy and your agency for an easy way out.
 
As long as blacks continue to invest in an identity of victimhood they will continue to suffer the consequences.

Today they are ruled over just as easy as they have been ruled over in the past. They have traded their agency for low income housing, food stamps, and a hundred other worthless distractions.

Blacks must become difficult to rule. I’m not talking about riots. I’m talking about the never ending grind of accepting responsibility for your place in this world and choosing to make the most out today in order to build a better tomorrow.

Prosperity from the ground up is built on restraint, and never ever accepting the status of a victim. Never trade your autonomy and your agency for an easy way out.

Spot on. And to add to that, the path of least resistance is to just blame problems on someone else, the white man in this instance. Funny how no other minority races consistently blame the white man, and a decent portion of the black community doesn’t blame the white man and those are the ones who get ahead. Today we’re not even holding criminals accountable for their crimes and instead blaming police officers. It’s backwards. Victimizing criminals and criminalizing police.
 
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