Blood test- Bayer Testoviron (naps)

[dmt31]

Your original thread with blood test mention using 160mg in two shots, and blood was taken at ~50 hours. If you believe you're a fast metabolizer, it would be interesting to see what results you get at 12-24 hours post shot.

Deal. I'm supposed to get bloods in about 4 weeks or so. I'll do them 24 hours after and we'll table the conversation until then. I'm not trying to argue with you, just stating my experience, I hope that came across

 

[Dr JIM]

No I guess that's the average, he didn't get the peak.

Man I know just this: I bought BAYER testoviron, got it legit from the pharmacy, with a nice script. Injected 2x week 500mg/wk and drawn blood around week 5. Tested 1980 ng/dl.

Now BAYER makes underdosed test OR the 10-7x rules it doesn't work for everyone.

That's bc your NOT applying the rule correctly!

The 10 X rule applies ONLY to PEAK VALUES of the LAST DOSE!

It can NOT be used to estimate a combination of BOTH the peak and steady state values.

So blood drawn at 24 hrs (+ or - 12 hours) for T-c would be roughly TEN TIMES (8-12 times) the last dose. Since the OP pinned 250mg a level of 2164ng/dl is within the range AT 36 HOURS!

IME a reasonable estimate of a combined SS and PEAK level can only be deduced IF a baseline SS level is first determined, which is then added to a PEAK value.

 

[Sampei]

That's bc your NOT applying the rule correctly!

The 10 X rule applies ONLY to PEAK VALUES of the LAST DOSE!

It can NOT be used to estimate a combination of BOTH the peak and steady state values.

So blood drawn at 24 hrs (+ or - 12 hours) for T-c would be roughly TEN TIMES (8-12 times) the last dose. Since the OP pinned 250mg a level of 2164ng/dl is within the range AT 36 HOURS!

IME a reasonable estimate of a combined SS and PEAK level can only be deduced IF a baseline SS level is first determined, which is then added to a PEAK value.

you should tell this to the other not me.
Everyone says: 500mg week should give you 5000 ng/dl, too bad most of the ppl inject 250mg x2 so getting 2xxx ng/dl is more then good.

what about test P Jim, how does it works? if I inject 100mg what should be the number?

 

[rpbb]

That's bc your NOT applying the rule correctly!

The 10 X rule applies ONLY to PEAK VALUES of the LAST DOSE!

It can NOT be used to estimate a combination of BOTH the peak and steady state values.

So blood drawn at 24 hrs (+ or - 12 hours) for T-c would be roughly TEN TIMES (8-12 times) the last dose. Since the OP pinned 250mg a level of 2164ng/dl is within the range AT 36 HOURS!

IME a reasonable estimate of a combined SS and PEAK level can only be deduced IF a baseline SS level is first determined, which is then added to a PEAK value.

exactly

 

[dbolman]

That's bc your NOT applying the rule correctly!

The 10 X rule applies ONLY to PEAK VALUES of the LAST DOSE!

It can NOT be used to estimate a combination of BOTH the peak and steady state values.

So blood drawn at 24 hrs (+ or - 12 hours) for T-c would be roughly TEN TIMES (8-12 times) the last dose. Since the OP pinned 250mg a level of 2164ng/dl is within the range AT 36 HOURS!

IME a reasonable estimate of a combined SS and PEAK level can only be deduced IF a baseline SS level is first determined, which is then added to a PEAK value.

Thanks for clearing this up. You just shut up a lot of know it all's.

 

[Dr JIM]

Thanks for clearing this up. You just shut up a lot of know it all's.

Well actually looking over what I've stated may have created even more confusion so let me try it again.

The 10 rule can only be used AFTER SS levels are achieved using a FIXED dosage.

So really the 10 X rule is the sum of ones previous SS nadir AND peak values.

Almost all of the studies were conducted on TRT patients who were supplementing T-c,(once or twice a week) over a SEVERAL WEEK interval!

Thus if someone wants to use the 10 rule to better appreciate the "quality" of their AAS, a PEAK level obtained at roughly 24 hours after the last pinning should approximate TEN times the dose used.

Importantly bc TT must reach an equilibrium with that individual's volume of distribution, attempts to estimate the PEAK level using the 10 x rule before SS levels are reached are notoriously inaccurate.

So one can't do a TT double dose from baseline, vary the dosage, dosing interval or THE ESTER, bc any of these will effect SS values.

Finally providing the OP was following all these provisos, a PEAK level of 2164ng/DL was consistent with a dose of 250mg.


Jim

 

[rpbb]

Well actually looking over what I've stated may have created even more confusion so let me try it again.

The 10 rule can only be used AFTER SS levels are achieved using a FIXED dosage.

So really the 10 X rule is the sum of ones previous SS nadir AND peak values.

Almost all of the studies were conducted on TRT patients who were supplementing T-c,(once or twice a week) over a SEVERAL WEEK interval!

Thus if someone wants to use the 10 rule to better appreciate the "quality" of their AAS, a PEAK level obtained at roughly 24 hours after the last pinning should approximate TEN times the dose used.

Importantly bc TT must reach an equilibrium with that individual's volume of distribution, attempts to estimate the PEAK level using the 10 x rule before SS levels are reached are notoriously inaccurate.

So one can't do a TT double dose from baseline, vary the dosage, dosing interval or THE ESTER, bc any of these will effect SS values.

Finally providing the OP was following all these provisos, a PEAK level of 2164ng/DL was consistent with a dose of 250mg.


Jim

Great post Dr J, gave me a new understanding. Helps me understand thebloodwork results I see on the trt sites a lot. Also, I've said this previously, it always amazes me how quick the peak levels drop after pinning

 

[MANWHORE]

Yes but then it's just because other ugls are overdosed don't you think.

BAYER testoviron is pharma grade man... Over 98% purity. It's fucking legit test E bought in pharmacy and coming from the same country I live.

I can't expect anything better then it. So I expect ugls to give me same results if it gets much better then it must be overdosed.

Am I wrong?

No you are correct ..
the 7-10 doesn't work for everyone ..

If you have a history of 10x
with test e and then one product has you test at 4x then there is a good chance that product is underdosed with test e..
Maybe a mix or maybe mixed raws if results are good but not dosed correct for test e ...

If your getting your first bloods on test e and you test at 4x with good results then yes it's possible that your body just metabolises the hormone faster or slower whatever the case ..

Also The same product does not always act the same in even the same person ..
I know this from personal experience with same batches of gear but you won't be able to explain this to some people ...

Variables can have a drastic change on outcome and they will ...

10x bloods from a UGL can come from the UGL knowing the customer will get bloods and overdosing that particular product ...

You guys want the truth about what's in your products ..
HPLC and Mass Spec them ...

Labmax the raw is a good start

M

 

[MANWHORE]

Guys who have scripts should post more bloods so you guys have an idea what pharmaceutical gear produces in bloods

M

 

[Dr JIM]

One final note. Probably the most frequent mis-application of the 10 X rule is folk obtaining labs after the FIRST DOSE of UGL TT gear.

These values are notoriously inaccurate since several fold differences between individuals is not uncommon!

 

[Sworder]

One final note. Probably the most frequent mis-application of the 10 X rule is folk obtaining labs after the FIRST DOSE of UGL TT gear.

These values are notoriously inaccurate since several fold differences between individuals is not uncommon!

The x10 rule is an approximate and goes against all that TRT/cycling is about.
HOW DO YOU FEEL?
WHAT GAINS ARE YOU GETTING??

 

[rpbb]

Guys who have scripts should post more bloods so you guys have an idea what pharmaceutical gear produces in bloods

M

Actually, you can see lots of trt test results on sites like steroid.com in the trt forums

 

[naps]

This doesn't surprise me anymore. I've seen the levels ranging between 600-700 on just 100mg. And I have a friend who is prescribed Watson Cyp 200mg a week and his levels are never over 700ng. He keeps his estro levels at 20. Just google and you will find a lot of similar examples from guys on TRT. From what I have read the most general rule is 5x.

Check the attached pics. The Testoviron we get comes direct from Karachi. No intermediaries. Direct delivery from a pharmaceutical company.

 

[Dr JIM]

This doesn't surprise me anymore. I've seen the levels ranging between 600-700 on just 100mg. And I have a friend who is prescribed Watson Cyp 200mg a week and his levels are never over 700ng. He keeps his estro levels at 20. Just google and you will find a lot of similar examples from guys on TRT. From what I have read the most general rule is 5x.

Check the attached pics. The Testoviron we get comes direct from Karachi. No intermediaries. Direct delivery from a pharmaceutical company.

Sorry fella but that's just BULLSHIT! In every instance I've heard of these "exceptions" it's always some lab shill defending an underdosed product, or the misapplication of the 10 rule as was responsible in this instance.

And those "GUYS" are using or referencing TRT studies which by convention cite a TT NADIR rather than the PEAK TT level!

Yea I know "it doesn't surprise you anymore", defender of bunkism but which one is on spot those using an assumed NAPS agent that are achieving a TT level of "600-700ng/dl on 100mg" (achieving 6-7 X the dose) OR those fools buying that UNDERDOSED (implied) Watson product slamming 200mg/wk and not even approaching 4 X the dose at 700ng/dl.

When will you UGL clowns ever get it, exaggerating data, performance, gains or using unsubstantiated testimonials to boost sales is THE PRIMARY reason folk should not trust YOU as a source!

LMAO!

 

[rpbb]

Sorry fella but that's just BULLSHIT! In every instance I've heard of these "exceptions" it's always some lab shill defending an underdosed product, or the misapplication of the 10 rule as was responsible in this instance.

And those "GUYS" are using or referencing TRT studies which by convention cite a TT NADIR rather than the PEAK TT level!

Yea I know "it doesn't surprise you anymore", defender of bunkism but which one is on spot those using an assumed NAPS agent that are achieving a TT level of "600-700ng/dl on 100mg" (achieving 6-7 X the dose) OR those fools buying that UNDERDOSED (implied) Watson product slamming 200mg/wk and not even approaching 4 X the dose at 700ng/dl.

LMAO!

good point, I think you provided a great explanation between peak and nadir. on the other hand, I see too many guys here waiting four days after their last pin and wondering why it's not ten times.

 

[Dr JIM]

good point, I think you provided a great explanation between peak and nadir. on the other hand, I see too many guys here waiting four days after their last pin and wondering why it's not ten times.

And I truly hope they now know why it WON'T be 10X the dose at 4 days, bc the PEAK interval has passed and Nadir values run roughly ONE HALF (at best) of peak values.

 

[naps]

an assumed NAPS agent

Naps agents everywhere. Did you check the pics I posted above? The assumed naps agents are faking all this including the Bayer adhesive tape, right. Nice. How much do you think this whole perfect fake thing would cost?

And with all your analytical skills could you ever at least suggest that there could be an easier way by making an official purchase of the real product in Karachi and paying for it less then a $1 per amp.

It's amazing how people are firmly convinced the online supplier is dead interested in selling you a fake product. If you are a marathon runner in this game, this is not the best business decision for you. Should I explain why.

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

And with all your analytical skills could you ever at least suggest that there could be an easier way by making an official purchase of the real product in Karachi and paying for it less then a $1 per amp.

It's amazing how people are firmly convinced the online supplier is dead interested in selling you a fake product. If you are a marathon runner in this game, this is not the best business decision for you. Should I explain why.

Let's assume what you say is true. Why, then, are there several suppliers selling counterfeits, including a certain uncle who was forced to rename his counterfeits 'working replicas' after he got caught? (you know who I'm talking about)

The point is, it's done. And it's done all the time. So there must be an easier way than "making an official purchase of the real product in Karachi and paying for it less then a $1 per amp," otherwise, no one would be doing it.

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

Did you check the pics I posted above? The assumed naps agents are faking all this including the Bayer adhesive tape, right. Nice. How much do you think this whole perfect fake thing would cost?

Can you provide an explanation for why these Pakistani Bayer Testoviron amps look different? They both came from you.

 

[Dr JIM]

I was referring to an assumed NAPS ANABOLIC agent, but really who cares how it's acquired, and from whom, IF it's under dosed?

NAPS like essentially every other UGL uses deceptive tactics to inflate the quality of their products for sales purposes, and that's one of many reasons why you clowns are not and should not be trusted!

Oh and incidentally counterfeiting costs very little and damn sure doesn't have to be anywhere close to perfect when noobs are YOUR consumers and after more than 10 years in the BIZ for you to suggest otherwise, is just more BULLSHIT, LMAO!