cochino
Member
I already placed my bet. A year from now when Brewly's name is mentioned, most bro's will say "who is that?"
MESO-Rx
Anabolic Steroids
Brewly - Worldwide Marketplace
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Sources DONT get banned but how bout you ask Venom Pharma, SymBiotics, Grayscale Pristine, Sasquatch best gear, Buck Anabolics, Iron Pharma and any other source that messed up?
Can’t contact them? Hmm... I wonder why.... oh, yea, they aren’t here anymore. They fucked up and their threads got set on fire. Meso works. DIRECT accountability. Not hiding behind the Brewly storefront.
shackleford
Banned
shackleford
Banned
*anxiously anticipating ultra-professional meme response, but willing to settle for a larp reference*
Test_Subject
Member
You know that silkroad got busted, right?
Good thing we only list steroids.
Did you know you're currently on a clearnet site that enables the sale and solicitation of controlled substances (AAS/PEDs) right now? It's been up for over 20 years. Not to mention all the clearnet point of sale steroid sites.
My point is that a darknet style setup is superior security wise, convenience wise, and accountability wise. And we'll keep working hard to make that abundantly clear.
Why settle for sources having awful data leaks on their websites where they store passwords/emails/addresses all unencrypted in plain text?
Why settle for no guarantees of reimbursements when sources shit the bed?
Help me understand the pushback I'm getting from the handful of you, so we can move in a productive direction. Why bicker?
I get it. These ventures are slow to start, there are hiccups, in other words humble beginnings. We need more users, more users means more product reviews, bloods being submitted, so on and so forth. It doesn't happen overnight.
We've processed over 20k in vendor sales at this point, but that's really not a lot of sales. Only a small percentage will test and post a product review, and the incentive is even lower because everyone is ordering from known vendors on Brewly. People like Dragon Ordnance that are already established.
For this operation to start moving like a well-oiled machine, we need thousands of users.
Hopefully when we get vendor review functionality in, there will be more people leaving general reviews. We certainly don't want "feelz reports" to outweigh user submitted testing, but it'd be good to have that kind of user feedback out in the open.
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You’ve mentioned this a few times now. Not sure why you keep comparing Brewly to Meso. Not one sale takes place on the site, personal info such as shipping info is never put on this site, payment doesn’t go through Meso and Millard/Meso doesn’t make anything off the sales here. Millard just sales banners.
So, how are the two the same again?
Brewly and Meso are night and day, oranges and apples, etc etc...
You should know by now that Meso is more of a forum for like minded members. Sure, there is an underground but there is so much more that makes this place what it is. Take the underground away and this wouldn’t be much different of a place than it is now. Hell, if anything Meso is the last place a source wants to do business.
I get that your thinking that because you don’t allow the sale of hard drugs that you shouldn’t be compared to Silk Road but you are still allowing and making money off the sale of illegal substances. I’m sure you’re not LEs #1 priority and won’t go down tomorrow but I would still be concerned. Also, doesn’t DO sell ghb and gbl? (Date rape drug)
shackleford
Banned
i call bull shit. If even one half of a percent of your sales resulted in some kind of feed back, you would have over 100 reviews by now. but you have.... zero.
I'm just replying is all. From the beginning, I stated that I think Meso and Brewly are two different animals.
A few members seem to disagree, and that's fine. Meso and Brewly both operate as source aggregators: places where sources get together, advertise, and ultimately sell, so I understand that perspective and am just trying to cover that viewpoint as best as I can.
Of course, Meso is not a PoS (point of sale) site. But... I believe you'd be hard pressed to find any forum where marijuana, cocaine, heroin sources can be openly sourced on the clearnet.
For whatever reason, steroids seems to get a free pass. The biggest threat actually comes from bad actors, not LE. Exhibit A, the extortionist(s) targeting forum owners and sources and/or sources going rogue.
shackleford
Banned
If you dont get it after 1200 posts, then nobody is going to be able to explain it to you.
The numbers you listed work out to 20,000 sales. I'm talking about $20,000 in sales. It's not a ton of sales, and since we launched with only product reviews it doesn't make sense to leave a review on test e saying
"great communication and shipping times, i've no idea about the product tho!"
We're gonna add vendor reviews for more general feedback.
I think you've made it very clear from the beginning that you think we're trying to recreate/abolish Meso when that's not at all the case.
We've listened to feedback and implemented it every step of the way.
You didn't like the less established vendors. We removed them
You wanted an organized place to see vendor lab testing. We added that
You wanted more avenues for community input and discussion. We added a forum
We will continue to add things. Next on the list is vendor reviews, then mobile redesign.
Whatever issue you have, I am confident we can find a solution. All I ask for is feedback. Cryptic messages do not help.
shackleford
Banned
I personally have no problem with less established sources. I have a problem with your vetting process. And i continually point out how you are lowering the bar meso has worked to raise. But fuck it, 1200 posts later i am still repeating my first posts.
I'm sorry, I am just not seeing this bar.
We just saw a source on Meso have a massive data leak. No ban, no reimbursements, not even a discount.
Do you consider this acceptable? Is the system working?
We just saw a new source announce their services to Meso. No testing, no equipment pictures. Only "bro you're making a lot of sales now but you could be making 10x more but whatever we can't force you".
I believe we can do better, not just by having an initial barrier to entry, but by judging sources based on objective measures instead of feelings and arguing.
Measures such as:
Average review rating, amount of reviews
Amount of customer submitted blood work
Amount of orders
You get the idea.
cochino
Member
Yet you let a source in with no pics or testing and did nothing until we called you on it.
So much for your shitty vetting process.
I cannot stop you if that is the version of events you choose to believe.
The fact of the matter is, despite being here for a very short amount of time, we've already shown flexibility in implementing Meso feedback.
Didn't like the lesser known sources? No problem they're gone.
Wanted more opportunities for community conversation? No problem we added a forum
- And just as an aside, there was never a big push internally to have a forum. We were perfectly fine having Meso be the rightful home for all discussion. But we're committed to dispelling any criticism through action. You made the lack of a forum a problem, so we fixed it.
Want an easy way to see lab tests/blood work of a vendor? No problem.
Surely, you can appreciate that we're not in the business of making sources look good. We're in the business of directing customers to the best sources.
Why?
Because a happy customer is a returning customer.
shackleford
Banned
Yes, you COULD do better. But we are all done hoping that you WILL do better.
Keep deflecting brewly, you arent fooling anyone here.
cochino
Member
You're not properly vetting sources as you claim. Buck is an example. He was flamed and ran off from here.
Did he send in any testing, lab pics? My guess is no. Yeah I know he's not here because you listened but the fact is he should have never been on your vendors list.
I didn't like the concept from the beginning and that one put the nail in the coffin.
He would have never made your vendors list had you properly vetted him but you clearly didn't.
This has already been dealt with and I've even gone in-depth about how our intentions have evolved regarding our initial filter/vetting, community vetting, and ranking based on objective measures.
I believe you're not interested in discussing those things because as you said, you came here with your mind already made up that this is a bad idea.
Meanwhile some sources on here have actual, public data leaks. Some have repeatedly bad testing. And no bans are issued, no affected customers are compensated, etc.
You guys may call this deflection, but I call it a problem asking to be solved. And I don't think solving that problem is a bad idea.
If you have any outstanding issues with our attempt to solve that problem, let me know and we'll continue to work on it.
